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RTTP: Kung Fu Panda films

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Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I looove kung-fuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

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First off, I stand on the notion that KFP2 > KFP1. I think KFP2 does the great stuff KFP1 has and improves on them, and it is a pretty good sequel by virtue of not reusing ideas and is thoroughly a "sequel" film.

I made this thread because some people think in some other thread here that the writing on the films is "childish" because "it uses the word awesome a lot". Holy fucking shit. I still can't get over that. Opinion? Well it's my opinion that that notion is trash. It may have that "overuse" of the word, but guess what, it's part of the character, and the movies grabbed the philosophies and "setting" of China even if it's a fictional China (in contrast to say, Mulan, which, while a really good film, isn't really China as it is more of "how Westerners view China").

First off, the films are beautiful. Really, it's lushing with vibrant color, and the way they handle not just CGI but even the 2D flashbacks and dream sequences, and even paper puppetry, it's so juicy for the eyes. And never has martial arts been captured in animation so fluidly. Maybe because it being a CGI helps, but something about it just works.

And the animation - oh god. First off, the action scenes. It has serious action stuff, it has comedic action stuff (which do exist in various Hongkong flicks), and stuff you'd see in those old 80's and 90's martial arts films. People might have this impression that they are expecting Dragon Ball Z-esque fights, but instead you got fights seen from classic Jackie Chan films. The Chor-grom Prison escape scene in the first film alone is worth watching. And this guy's animation is really just flat out wonderful.

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Really, just watch KFP2 to see Lord Shen in action. The way he uses his tail not only as a distraction but also as a friggin' WAR FAN, then he has those throwing knives and metal claws on his talons... Oh and apparently he was very detailed. I remember back then someone saying that "his design was too busy" (well duh, he's a peacock) but I say nay.

The story of both films are pretty simple enough. First is a Chosen One story and the second is more of an origin story, but they handle them well enough with enough interest to keep you around. The characters themselves are pretty enjoyable. I thought I was gonna hate Po due to being Jack Black-ish, and it is visible in the first film's early half. But as you watch he feels less than Jack Black and more Po, and in the sequel he's essentially Po. People complain about the Furious Five not getting much appearance and while I agree, it's kinda expected anyway, since it's not their film. They're side characters, but at least they have defined personalities, especially Tigress. More than what I could say for, say, the circus troupe in A Bug's Life.

Ah but the villains. Both essentially are foils of Po in different ways. Tai Lung is "what Po is when he lacks the flaws and humility of what being grown in a noodle shop would do" while Lord Shen is "what Po is
when he didn't let his past heal
". I love Tai Lung, he's just a kick-ass kung fu master and it shows. Buuuut sadly, I firmly believe Shen is much better. There's just something about him that feels more threatening but at the same time you could feel that he was more wounded than Tai Lung. And it's probably because Gary Oldman is doing him.

Anyway, just an RTTP and appreciation for possibly the best animated action flick.

Oh by the way

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Sorry for the large gif but the one in tumblr just isn't as satisfying
 

Currygan

at last, for christ's sake
paper thin plot, spectacular action, lackluster final fights, which is a shame.

Tai Lung's escape from the first one remains one of the coolest animated scenes i've seen
 
Personally, I consider the first one better but the second one to be much much prettier. Both are fine family films that don't bore the adults. Jack Black is being Jack Black, but in a toned down way that works for me. And yeah, the members of the Furious Five who aren't Tiger are being wasted.
 

GeekyDad

Member
Wasn't a fan of any of the Dreamworks animated films until I saw Kung Fu Panda. Loved both movies, but I think the first is a little more near and dear to my heart.

"We are noodle folk."

/myfamily
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
paper thin plot, spectacular action, lackluster final fights, which is a shame.

Tai Lung's escape from the first one remains one of the coolest animated scenes i've seen

How is the plot paper thin?

And bullshit, the final fight in Tai Lung is essentially gathering what Po learned and applying them. The final "fight" in KFP2 is really stopping an armada, with Lord Shen's fight just an icing.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
It's your bog standard, he won't be accepted but he is finally accepted stories. Cliche and boring.
Actually the first movie is about being yourself, not "acceptance". Acceptance and moving on was more of a side story. Also, so what if it's something cliche? That doesn't make it paper thin. And the move makes it work in a fresh way.

If it was a generic "be yourself" stuff, Po wouldn't need to train and that his shtick would impress everyone at the end. No, in this first film he still needed to be trained. The "be yourself" part comes on how he was trained and how he used his faculties as a method on fighting. He still changed - he became athletic, full of energy, and more sensible, but he was still "himself". In fact, the whole idea is pushed in one line, where he says that he endured humiliation because he believes the person (Master Shifu) could change him for the better.

The acceptance is actually a bit more realistic. Everyone was stressed because they weren't chosen as the Dragon Warrior (Tigress in particular), but they eventually got over it (save for Tigress) since it already happened. Viper in particular was pretty much more welcoming. After he cooked for them they realized he wasn't such a bad guy (save for Tigress again). Only after when Tigress was defeated did she humbled herself.
 

OldRoutes

Member
It's your bog standard, he won't be accepted but he is finally accepted stories. Cliche and boring.

That's the first movie, and I'd argue it's not paper thin either.

The second movie has an awesome narrative, not too complex but still interesting plot.

Kung Fu Panda 2 is superior to Kung Fu Panda in every way.
 

diamount

Banned
Actually the first movie is about being yourself, not "acceptance". Acceptance and moving on was more of a side story. Also, so what if it's something cliche? That doesn't make it paper thin. And the move makes it work in a fresh way.

Yeah, I enjoyed it for its visuals and Jack Black's performance but the story wasn't there. It also goes through the evil ex-student thingy.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yeah, I enjoyed it for its visuals and Jack Black's performance but the story wasn't there. It also goes through the evil ex-student thingy.

Yeah, but there's more to that. That's the point. It seems paper thin because you are familiar with the instances, but the movie plays around with them.

Tai Lung wasn't just an ex-student, he was the master's (adopted) son. And that's why Shifu was very heartbroken and was thoroughly grumpy and in a bad mood throughout the first film. And this disdain spread throughout the other characters. There was a lot more connection than just "I am evil kung fu master taking revenge". It's why the characters are loved to begin with - because there's much more to them. It's why Master Oogway was talking about how Shifu will find peace while also finding the Dragon Warrior.

Hell, right now, I'll tell you that the comic relief character Mister Ping (Po's adopted father) is actually a pretty well-developed, well-rounded character.
 

GeekyDad

Member
It's your bog standard, he won't be accepted but he is finally accepted stories. Cliche and boring.

Personally, I feel you're confusing traditional with "cliche." Sure, it's been told a million times, but it's told very well in these movies. And the best stories need to be told again and again. As humans, that's what we do. These days we do it mostly through movies. I think it was a great one for the generation it was being told to (my kids, for instance). They had never heard this tale before.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
If anything else, a cliche story invites you the idea on how they can make it work, as opposed to "new" stories that end up not only being stupid but also questionable.

And yeah I agree that the first film is my personal turning point on DW.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
I watched them after Film Crit Hulk called out the first one as a near perfect example of functional, economical screenwriting and I was pleasently surprised
 

daviyoung

Banned
I disagree, Kung Fu Panda is far superior to the second one which is just a ramp-to-11 type sequel.

Also it's the best Dreamworks CGI movie.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
I watched them after Film Crit Hulk called out the first one as a near perfect example of functional, economical screenwriting and I was pleasently surprised

Oh I want to hear this review, it sounds delicious.

I disagree, Kung Fu Panda is far superior to the second one which is just a ramp-to-11 type sequel.

Also it's the best Dreamworks CGI movie.

Eh I disagree on the basis of having different plot.

With that said yeah I agree that KFP
2
is the best DW movie
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Bumping this because the movies deserve attention and appreciation.

Something I forgot to mention in animation. People jokingly (or sadly seriously) state the Dreamworks Face when ironically their characters show plentiful emotion through their faces. 1 and 2 are rife with it, I particularly love this pic which was common to post in /co/ back then.

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The context itself is pretty serious.
He was asked by the soothsayer, the only person who probably still cares for him, what he would do once he conquered China, if he would finally find happiness. He tries to avoid the question, so the soothsayer then says that his parents loved him that it killed them to send him on an exile.
 
First one was absolutely awesome, I really didnt expect that.

Second one could have been great if the writers didnt make Po ruin every emotional or poignant scene. Cut half the jokes, and it would have been even better than the first.
 

WillyFive

Member
Kung Fu Panda movies are excellent. The first one in particular wasn't just a good animated movie; but an excellent legit kung fu movie as well.
 
Yup KFP is an excellent movie. I thought the fight scene between the furious five and Tai Lung on the bridge was excellent. It didn't hit me until I saw the gif in the OP that I never saw KFP2. Definitely gonna get them on Blu Ray this week.
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
First one was absolutely awesome, I really didnt expect that.

Second one could have been great if the writers didnt make Po ruin every emotional or poignant scene. Cut half the jokes, and it would have been even better than the first.

Err I don't remember him ruining an emotional scene.

Yup KFP is an excellent movie. I thought the fight scene between the furious five and Tai Lung on the bridge was excellent. It didn't hit me until I saw the gif in the OP that I never saw KFP2. Definitely gonna get them on Blu Ray this week.

Yes. Go watch it. NOW!
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Oh I want to hear this review, it sounds delicious.

Not a review unfortunately, he mentions it in both his screenwriting book and his ASM2 review. Here's a relevant quote:

SERIOUSLY, WHEN WILL THESE PEOPLE WATCH KUNG FU PANDA TO GET "IT"? BECAUSE FOR ANY FAULTS, IT'S A MOVIE WHERE ALL THE CHARACTERS' MOTIVATIONS DIRECTLY REVOLVE AROUND ONE OBJECT AND EACH CHARACTER REFLECTS UPON THE OTHER AND REFLECTS UPON THEMSELVES AND OH HEY THE OBJECT IS A MIRROR AND IT MAKES COMPLETE AND TOTAL SENSE AND THE MOVIE'S DECENT BUT IT TOTALLY ACES STORY 101.
 

zeemumu

Member
Lord Shen definitely had more of a personality but I still like Tai Lung. Something about his reaction at the end. I read somewhere that the wu xi finger hold was supposed to be a myth used to scare students. So what the heck did Po do?
 
I've never seen the second, but Kung Fu Panda is a Dreamworks movie that holds up superbly. I avoided the sequel because I was reminded of the endless sequels Shrek got, but I might check it out sometime in the future after seeing the opinions on it.
 

vikki

Member
Watched both of these flicks yesterday aaand the day before. So I was like is there going to be a part three?... Apparently they would like to do six. And I thought, awesome. Also, the third one is supposed to come out next year? I think.

Also, I think I like 2 more than 1. This is after watching both numerous times. Initially I like 1 more. And the animated sequence in 2 when you find out how Po ended up in the radish box gives me some feels.
 

TEJ

Member
Watched both of these flicks yesterday aaand the day before. So I was like is there going to be a part three?... Apparently they would like to do six. And I thought, awesome. Also, the third one is supposed to come out next year? I think.

yep

next year

has bryan cranston in it
 
Kung Fu Panda 2 is far and away the best thing Dreamworks has made and ranks among my favorite animated movies of the last ten years.

The first one is pretty average.
 

Cobaltium

Member
I really enjoyed the music from the first one, my high school marching band ended up playing an excerpt from it in their 2010 marching show
 

Boss Doggie

all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Not a review unfortunately, he mentions it in both his screenwriting book and his ASM2 review. Here's a relevant quote:

hahahah sweet

I've never seen the second, but Kung Fu Panda is a Dreamworks movie that holds up superbly. I avoided the sequel because I was reminded of the endless sequels Shrek got, but I might check it out sometime in the future after seeing the opinions on it.

Yep, go watch it. It's pretty good.
 
Po: [standing on a rooftop] Shen! A panda stands between you and your...
[Cut to where Shen is standing, and can barely hear Po.]
Po: [faintly] ...destiny!
Shen: ...What?
[Cut back to Po.]
Po: Prepare for a hot serving of...
[Cut back to Shen]
Po: [faintly] ...justice! Your reign of terror is over!
Shen: [still not hearing] What?

this scene was my favorite.
 

vikki

Member
KFP is fantastic, but no.

HTTYD >>>>>>>>>>>

I disagree, even though I know my friends will disagree with me. Isn't the sequel to HTTYD pretty bad? That's what I've heard, from the same friends who would say that HTTYD is better than KFP. Seems like it had an okay premise, looking for mum and more dragons.
 
I disagree, even though I know my friends will disagree with me. Isn't the sequel to HTTYD pretty bad? That's what I've heard, from the same friends who would say that HTTYD is better than KFP. Seems like it had an okay premise, looking for mum and more dragons.

It was fantastic. Your friends are wrong. Get new ones...

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Yagharek

Member
The first Kung Fu Panda is one of only a tony handful of films that have made me lose my breath from laughter. Mainly during the final fight scene (involving a tail being bitten).

I haven't seen the second one, since I dont know if I want to ruin the appreciation of the first in case I dont like it.

Judging from this thread though I may have made a mistake and should rectify that decision.
 
Err I don't remember him ruining an emotional scene.

I havent seen the movie since it came out in theaters but I remember one of the scenes near the end of the movie with all the ships, and theres fire and then Po does something awesome and theres dramatic music and then he cracks a stupid joke and ruins the mood. He does that a few times.

I still liked the film but I thought stuff like that was unnecessarry. I guess kids like those jokes *shrug*
 

KillGore

Member
Kung Fu Panda 2 is amazing. Imagine Kung Fu Panda 3 with today's computers.


How To Train Your Dragon 2 looked fucking beautiful.
 
Oh, you mean the distillation of every generic kids fantasy book ever written? SNOOZE

Eragon was a shit book and a shittier movie but it had more points of originality than HTTYD did.

European medieval fantasy is among my most boring settings and that didn't prevent me from acknowledging how good HTTYD was. By saying it was boring or mentioning it being unoriginal shows you completely miss the point of the movie, and possibly, the point of all media in general.
 
Oh, you mean the distillation of every generic kids fantasy book ever written? SNOOZE

Eragon was a shit book and a shittier movie but it had more points of originality than HTTYD did.

Oh please. There were several rather unique twists in the movie.

Not everyone likes every film, but don't make stuff up to try to legitimize your opinion.
 
European medieval fantasy is among my most boring settings and that didn't prevent me from acknowledging how good HTTYD was. By saying it was boring or mentioning it being unoriginal shows you completely miss the point of the movie, and possibly, the point of all media in general.

You can put your grand gesturing down about "all of media in general." What a ridiculous high-horse argument.

There's nothing objectively good about HTTYD that anyone has to acknowledge. The aspects of films that I personally cared about were not on display. I'm sorry I didn't make a detailed list of them outside of unoriginality, which I do indeed consider the movie's major flaw.

Oh please. There were several rather unique twists in the movie.

Not everyone likes every film, but don't make stuff up to try to legitimize your opinion.

"Oh wow I had no idea he would train a dragon"
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
HTTYD is an okay movie but I wasn't blown away by it. I have no problem calling Kung Fu Panda better. HTTYD had some weird tonal shifts where it felt like they thought they had to make a "kids movie" by some rigid formulae
 
"Oh wow I had no idea he would train a dragon"

Stop being dumb. You can keep your straw men to yourself.

I am not sure why you had to ride in here all hyper dismissive and abrasive. Then turn and act defensive.


There are a couple big plot devices in the HTTYD series that stand out as unique in the genre of childrens film. The most obvious one is the loss of a limb by the protagonist, which was incredibly brave on the filmmakers part. Beyond this the way the culture is presented where death and loss of limb is just a way of life stands out.

Also, even if you look at the genre of sci fi dragons specifically, the decision to make it so that dragons cannot communicate is rather unique. The fact that their relationships are so dynamic and believable DESPITE this limitation is very impressive. If you look at the major dragon fiction writers such as Anne McCaffery, or even the Eregon series, they all enable communication.

The willingness to kill off major characters is very unusual for family films.

If we are looking at cinematography the film was hailed as possibly the first film to use 3D correctly for its flying sequences. It was also groundbreaking in its use of shadows and lighting in 3D animation.

The lack of magic of any kind is also unusual for the "fantasy" realm of childrens fiction.
 
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