Rumor: Nokia to launch Windows RT tablet in September

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I still don't get this. Why is Facebook (and Youtube for that matter) refusing to develop for this platform?

About Facebook? I think they're just taking their time to make the 'perfect' app. It was years before we got an official Facebook app on the iPad/iPhone.
 
RT? No thanks. Honestly, I really did love my Surface RT - from a hardware perspective it was fantastic (maybe a slightly higher res screen would be nice) but Windows RT is just honestly good for nothing. They have years and years of developer support for Windows that they just completely throw away with RT.
 
RT kills it before it even had a chance. It sucks, Nokia's hardware is amazing but sticking with Microsoft means nobody is ever going to buy it.
 
This pretty much ticks all the boxes to be a colossal failure:

- 10.1 inch screen, when the market is trending towards ~8 inch devices.
- Runs Windows RT which nobody wants.
- Priced similar to iPad. So why not just get an iPad?
 
First, let me address the obvious fallacy. Who gives a fuck about the "official" app ? Traditionally the "official" apps sucked ass most of the time (just look at Twitter for instance. They still didn't get their shit together and their app mostly sucks on every platform).

Regarding those FB apps....i don't use FB so i have no idea how those apps are. I doubt all of them are unusable and you must cross off Windows 8 because of the FB app. My point is that there are apps out there for whatever strikes your fancy.

Ironically personally i think the problem with RT was never the lack of apps. It was the Surface RT price. If MS would have released something priced competitively with Nexus 7 (and make Surface RT a 7 inch tablet), they would have had a fighting chance. Right now Android is too ingrained in the market to gain any significant market share.

I'll bet the official app would be better than any of the ones you've linked there, all dem high ratings. I'll guess they're all just web wrappers? Ergo they're not proper apps. They just exist to get someone some easy ad money.

Price isn't the RTs problem, it's the lack of apps. If it had a Store that was even on a level of Windows Phone never mind iOS it'd have a decent chance of making a dent but people want good tablet apps, something RT is still bereft of. Until that changes it isn't a serious contender. At least with proper W8 tablets you're getting a full Windows experience.
 
I'll bet the official app would be better than any of the ones you've linked there, all dem high ratings. I'll guess they're all just web wrappers? Ergo they're not proper apps. They just exist to get someone some easy ad money.

Price isn't the RTs problem, it's the lack of apps. If it had a Store that was even on a level of Windows Phone never mind iOS it'd have a decent chance of making a dent but people want good tablet apps, something RT is still bereft of. Until that changes it isn't a serious contender. At least with proper W8 tablets you're getting a full Windows experience.

But the Windows App Store had something close to 100,000 apps? Thought most of these were RT/ARM compatible?
 
But the Windows App Store had something close to 100,000 apps? Thought most of these were RT/ARM compatible?

They're all RT compatible, and yes it has 100K but quality is still lacking in an awful lot of them. Take a look at RIMs BB OS store to see that numbers aren't everything.

When these guys land for W8 it'll be seen as progressing well and if the Xbox One is sharing the same app store it could give it the boost it needs but until then it's still an extremely poor relative to the other major OSs

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Not sure where all the hate comes from. I just bought one for my wife and we really like it. It synced with skydrive and now all her pictures and documents from word are there and ready to go. I then updated to windows 8.1RT and then her calendar was there with outlook. Downloaded a couple of apps for the kids and it does everything we need it to. She is mainly using it for school and the fact that it has word on it was the main selling point. I guess I'm wanting it for something different than what other people use their tablet for? Maybe because our home computer is already windows 8 makes it more appealing for us?
 
8" tablets are supposed to be coming in force when 8.1 launches in October.
And this supposedly ships with 8.1, which only rubs it in more.


The question is ... will they make a 8" equivalent? Or is this the one and only Nokia RT tablet?
 
And this supposedly ships with 8.1, which only rubs it in more.


The question is ... will they make a 8" equivalent? Or is this the one and only Nokia RT tablet?

With Windows Phone Nokia seems keen to fill every single niche there is so I'd hope that will translate to their tablet side and we will see an 8" variant appear.
 
With Windows Phone Nokia seems keen to fill every single niche there is so I'd hope that will translate to their tablet side and we will see an 8" variant appear.
Hopefully.

The question is whether they're actually serious about RT, or this was simply a contractual obligation with MS.
 
Except those ~6.0 inch screens.
They are, it's coming out later this year (well it's a 5+")


They had to wait for the GDR3 OS update. Among other features, it includes higher resolutions. They (correctly imo) feel that introducing something that is hamstring by non-competative resolution and processing into what is already a niche market is a bad idea.
 
Not sure where all the hate comes from. I just bought one for my wife and we really like it. It synced with skydrive and now all her pictures and documents from word are there and ready to go. I then updated to windows 8.1RT and then her calendar was there with outlook. Downloaded a couple of apps for the kids and it does everything we need it to. She is mainly using it for school and the fact that it has word on it was the main selling point. I guess I'm wanting it for something different than what other people use their tablet for? Maybe because our home computer is already windows 8 makes it more appealing for us?


Exactly

My wife is looking for a new computer to do some work at home. She says she wants a tablet.. and she wants office. I kind of snickered when she told me she wanted the Surface RT.. but after playing with it for awhile its actually a nice device. As long as people keep making Metro apps it will be supported in the future too. I doubt RT is going anywhere.

95% of what I do on a tablet is browse the web anyway.

(I say this as a heavy user of IOS. I probably spend 2 hours a day on my iPad)
 
Hopefully.

The question is whether they're actually serious about RT, or this was simply a contractual obligation with MS.
Well seeing that Elop is being considered for the CEO of microsoft I'd say it's simply a case of Elop wanting to help out MS and damage Nokia in the process. Two birds with one stone and all.
 
Well seeing that Elop is being considered for the CEO of microsoft I'd say it's simply a case of Elop wanting to help out MS and damage Nokia in the process. Two birds with one stone and all.
Why would Elop want to damage Nokia?




$499 US dollars and doesn't even match the iPad's pixel density. Why.
I don't think resolution is its main competative problem :p
 
Why would Elop want to damage Nokia?





I don't think resolution is its main competative problem :p
Devalues the company to the point that a buy-out by Microsoft is actually feasible? That's of course a huge speculation though.

Rather, I think he simply doesn't care enough about what's best for Nokia but rather what is best for the Windows ecosystem. His decisions are hardly justifiable as a CEO that does things for the best interest of his company.
 
Devalues the company to the point that a buy-out by Microsoft is actually feasible? That's of course a huge speculation though.
Yeah, I don't think that makes sense. If MS did want to pursue that they would have gone after Nokia a while back when the stock was really in the tank. After Elop's 'burning platform' memo, there was a pretty big span where a buyout would have made more sense. They've been recovering for a while now.

Rather, I think he simply doesn't care enough about what's best for Nokia but rather what is best for the Windows ecosystem. His decisions are hardly justifiable as a CEO that does things for the best interest of his company.
Hmmm, maybe ... idk. To be honest, I think WP was the best course of action given the situation and timing. So I'm not so sure that's the case. Or at least the interests are the same at this point.
 
This has to be the fastest "from launch to obsolete" product in the history of smart phones.

Oh wait that honor belong to Kin.

Second fastest.

Also, who ever came up with the idea of "RT" system (Andy Lee?) has to be a Google agent.
 
This has to be the fastest "from launch to obsolete" product in the history of smart phones.

Oh wait that honor belong to Kin.

Second fastest.

Also, who ever came up with the idea of "RT" system (Andy Lee?) has to be a Google agent.

RT system is not on smartphones.

edit: see lastflowers below
 
This has to be the fastest "from launch to obsolete" product in the history of smart phones.

Oh wait that honor belong to Kin.

Second fastest.

Also, who ever came up with the idea of "RT" system (Andy Lee?) has to be a Google agent.

WinRT or WindowsRT?


WinRT is amazing and has lots of potential
note, i'm biased
. WindowsRT is gimped, but just as useful as an iPad. Problem lays within getting developers to develop apps, and surfacing solid apps to users so that they buy them.
 
Yeah, I don't think that makes sense. If MS did want to pursue that they would have gone after Nokia a while back when the stock was really in the tank. After Elop's 'burning platform' memo, there was a pretty big span where a buyout would have made more sense. They've been recovering for a while now.
Nokia's stock still is in the tank. It was worth $11.73 when he wrote that memo over 2 years ago and it is now worth $4. Gaining $1.60 from its low in September last year does not mean much.
 
Except those ~6.0 inch screens.

They are, it's coming out later this year (well it's a 5+")


They had to wait for the GDR3 OS update. Among other features, it includes higher resolutions. They (correctly imo) feel that introducing something that is hamstring by non-competative resolution and processing into what is already a niche market is a bad idea.

Yeah Nokia has a phablet on the way in November or so. 6" screen on it.

http://www.wpcentral.com/nokias-bandit-phablet-dubbed-lumia-1520
 
I really really think that Nokia is getting moneyhatted like crazy by MS. MS making it rain like a torrential downpour.

And it's allowing Nokia to get their hardware R&D to top notch levels (Lumias are sexy). Now if Windows 8 family doesn't take off (in the next 2 years say) Nokia can use all that tech and engineering know how and go after Samsung in the Android space.

IF that really is the case than Elop is the best CEO ever.
 
I really really think that Nokia is getting moneyhatted like crazy by MS. MS making it rain like a torrential downpour.

that's no secret, public knowledge in fact. They get 1 billion dollars a year i think is the figure as 'platform payments' to use Windows Phone.
 
Nokia's stock still is in the tank. It was worth $11.73 when he wrote that memo over 2 years ago and it is now worth $4. Gaining $1.60 from its low in September last year does not mean much.

The day Nokia annouces Android versions of Lumia line the stock value will double. Maybe.
 
that's no secret, public knowledge in fact. They get 1 billion dollars a year i think is the figure as 'platform payments' to use Windows Phone.

One billion is good but to release a Windows RT tablet? Windows Phone is showing some life but RT tablets are bottom of the barrel. MS should give Nokia an extra half bill for that alone.
 
One billion is good but to release a Windows RT tablet? Windows Phone is showing some life but RT tablets are bottom of the barrel. MS should give Nokia an extra half bill for that alone.

RT will be supported by apps as long as Metro is supported.. which is going to be a long time barring an absolute blowup of Windows at MS.


I gotta say.. RT devices would be a great solution for a large chunk of the population. It's a MUCH better product than I expected. It's market position is basically a total failure in marketing by MS. For say.. a school device.. its far better than an iPad(and I say this as a guy firmly entrenched in iOS). Office and a web browser. You can hook up a usb drive, usb mouse, etc if you need. Remote Desktop works wonderfully. What more do you really need?

My only problem with my wifes is that she can't connect to the Juniper VPN @ work.. but apparently its going to be fixed in 8.1
 
If it had a Store that was even on a level of Windows Phone never mind iOS it'd have a decent chance of making a dent but people want good tablet apps, something RT is still bereft of. Until that changes it isn't a serious contender.

The amount of apps and interest in Windows Phone's store after nearly 3 years is pitiful. The Windows Store is going to exceed it in a fraction of the time and already has certain apps not available on WP today. Neither of them are serious contenders.
 
The amount of apps and interest in Windows Phone's store after nearly 3 years is pitiful. The Windows Store is going to exceed it in a fraction of the time and already has certain apps not available on WP today. Neither of them are serious contenders.

WP Store isn't all that bad with regards to quantity, and the quality of the stuff there is better than on W8.
 
I imagine this is they are still going ahead with a Windows RT tablet.
http://mynokiablog.com/2013/08/27/rumors-windows-rt-to-be-merged-with-windows-phone/

I'm way more interested in this tablet if Windows RT and Windows Phone will basically be the same. The app situation will improve massively and Nokia could do what they did with WP and become the driving force behind Windows tablets.

Windows Phone should've been the tablet OS from the start. Leave Windows to be Windows. If that was the case we would've already had an established ecosystem the day the surface launched. Instead RT was sent out to die since the consumer doesn't have a clue WTF it is and the dancing commercials didn't help.
 
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