Guy LeDouche
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(RUMOR) Rockstar jumping ship??
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HomerSimpson-Man
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Kleegamefan said:
How much does it cost to use the UE3 engine anyway?
Baron Aloha
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HomerSimpson-Man said:
"ONE MILLLLLION DOLLARS!!"
HomerSimpson-Man
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JC10001 said:
"ONE MILLLLLION DOLLARS!!"
A million dollars?!! Great googly moogly!
Wax Free Vanilla
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DCharlie said:
How do you know... do you work for them?
sonycowboy
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DCharlie said:
There's a little something on the grapevine that says something might be announced in the near future. I have no idea which what platform or platforms are involved.
Wafflecopter
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So now my favorite franchise will have nasty looking plastic bumpmapping? Great....
sonycowboy
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DCharlie said:
What I heard was specifically related to GTA, not Rockstar or Take-Two in general.
Wafflecopter
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Tain said:
Joking? It's opinion. I don't like the look of some bump mapping. Too plastic-like. I prefer the look of half Life 2 to Doom 3. Just because a lot of Next- Gen games have bump mapping doesn't mean you have to like it.
Wafflecopter
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I haven't seen a U3 engined game not look plastic, regardless of whether or not it's bump or normal mapped.
Wafflecopter
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Nerevar said:
Frame City Killer.
Wafflecopter
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Nerevar said:
The U3 engine certainly wasn't of any help.
RaySpencer
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Nerevar said:
Splinter Cell 3
Wafflecopter
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Nobiru said:
The bump mapping was shit in that as well, but it wasn't U3 tech.
RaySpencer
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I coulda swore it was using the UE3 Engine =/ ....i should just shut my mouth when i dunno what im talkin about 
carry on people !
carry on people !
TheJollyCorner
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Manhunt 2! I'm probably one of maybe 10 people that really want a sequel!
Precisely, True Crime sold great on the cube. If that game managed to do well on GC, there's no way Rockstar wouldn't seriously clean up.
I keep hearing people argue about the graphics, but what about all the loading? That engine has always loaded a ton just with regular fps games, I can't even imagine playing GTA on an Unreal engine. I hope they are just licensing this engine to give some of their other games like Manhunt an edge. I figured by now Rockstar would be designing it's own engine for GTA anyway.
The loading shouldn't be too much of a problem next gen. Due to manpower constraints, I can't see the next GTA being much bigger in size than San Andreas, which, on current gen hardware, managed to do away with those nasty "pause for 5mins load while going over a bridge" moments. To be honest, what I would be happiest about regarding a move to U3E tech is that the engine has been shown to be more than capable of very long draw distances. Which is exactly what a game with the scope of GTA deserves, unlike the horrendous fog that has plagued the games' Renderware days.
SolidSnakex
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Thraktor said:
I think it depends. In the past the Housers havetalked about it being online. If it is then I can easily imagine it being bigger than any of the previous GTA games. Although it it remains offline they might just go back to a smaller world but make it much more detailed and interactive so people won't be bothered by it not being as huge as San Andreas was.
I'm simply questioning whether it is worth it for Rockstar to have such a huge team that would be necessary for them to increase the level of detail to next-gen standards and increase the size of the playing world from the already vast San Andreas.
If it does turn into an MMO, then of course it will have to be exponentially bigger than any of the previous games. The problem is that most MMORPGs are largely composed of giant, almost empty fields in which to slay monsters, etc., whereas a GTA game would need to be largely composed of cities, which are, of course, far more time-consuming to create. Whether R* can come up with some very advanced algoriths to procedurally generate not only entire cities, but cities which don't look almost identical to each other, is my big question, because as far as I can tell, it's the only realistic method they would have of producing the vast amount of content that an MMOGTA would need.
If, however, Rockstar decides to simply create a regular GTA game with an online mode attached, they could suffice for 64-player gang-warfare fights and include a number of small cities to battle on, which would make much more sense to me than the MMO approach.
If it does turn into an MMO, then of course it will have to be exponentially bigger than any of the previous games. The problem is that most MMORPGs are largely composed of giant, almost empty fields in which to slay monsters, etc., whereas a GTA game would need to be largely composed of cities, which are, of course, far more time-consuming to create. Whether R* can come up with some very advanced algoriths to procedurally generate not only entire cities, but cities which don't look almost identical to each other, is my big question, because as far as I can tell, it's the only realistic method they would have of producing the vast amount of content that an MMOGTA would need.
If, however, Rockstar decides to simply create a regular GTA game with an online mode attached, they could suffice for 64-player gang-warfare fights and include a number of small cities to battle on, which would make much more sense to me than the MMO approach.
LegendofJoe
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Aren't all the MGS using UE3 tech, Bungie and Rare included?
LegendofJoe said:
there was a press release quite a while back that MS had licensed the engine for any first party developer that wanted to use it... doesnt mean they have to though. that said, i wouldnt be at all surprised to hear halo 3 is using it.
and get it through your heads people, engines do not come with art assets. gears of war, unreal tourney, frame city... they all look that way because of the artists behind each game, not because of the tech powering it.
op_ivy said:
Not necessarily, a poorly built middleware engine can restrict developers in certain ways. Take the Doom 3 engine, for example, it's over-reliance on normal-maps and poor polygon performance (it doesn't push that many more polygons than Quake 3, tbh) result in all devs using it being forced into the same over-reliance on normal-maps, resulting in some of the same graphical quirks that affected the original game. A good artist should still be able to create a distinctive look with the engine, but it's going to be harder for him because of the restrictions put in place.