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[BurntPork]

wait, hexcore is 6 cores? I thought that would be 8 cores.

Six cores? How big is this thing gonna be? lol

And the 2GB of RAM rage in this thread is glorious.

 

[JaseC]

MS wants Xbox to be the go to box for whatever you want to do. Not including the HD disc standard is foolish.

Not to mention the notion that a next-gen console will forgo a physical storage format is utterly ludicrous.

The next Xbox isn't going to use its own physical storage technology. It isn't going to resurrect HD-DVD. And it most certainly isn't going to use streaming in place of a physical format.

 

[NBtoaster]

Going with a seperate system RAM and VRAM set up seems unlikely with the success they had with a single GDDR3 pool this gen.

 

[Maximilian E.]

6 core, dual gpu setup sounds about right.
Minimum 2Gb and unified ram is also about right, at least, this has shown to be beneficial.
MS should pay more attention to CPU cache and GPU memory (a proper amount of embedded ram) in order to create a flexible system. Like J Allard said with 360, "its more Bruce Lee than brute force": That is not a bad philosophy..

however, it will be interesting to see if the cpu are beefed up power pc cores (In order) or Phenom equivalent (out of order)..

Also, people who think that Sony will go balls out with all the whistles and bells with PS4, must be on dogfood. Sony cannot afford to do a PS3 launch once again. Selling a machine at that much of a loss will not happen again.

And also, if MS release before Sony (a company that is better equiped to take on losses), will have once again another head start. Will Sony want MS to have another head start and establish the new XBox as the de facto lead platform?

Im telling you, no console will be sold for more than 399 and the loss per console will not be that high, if at all..

 

[liquidspeed]

Not true, it was comparable to a 7700 in performance. That's what I remember from a long thread at B3D at the time.

at E3 '05 the 6800 was the fastest nvidia card........

 

[Luckyman]

2012 and CES is such bullshit

 

[Finaika]

2GB RAM? Even my pos laptop has 4GB RAM ROFL.

 

[Bluemercury]

A console with dual gpu??? riiigghhttt......still the rest is good news for WiiU

 

[Mizzou Gaming]

Yeah well I'll believe it when I see it. I've been guaranteed a Blu-Ray drive was coming to the 360 a bizillion times too ever since Blu-Ray ousted HD-DVD. The fact is Microsoft didn't need Blu-Ray this gen and I guarantee they don't want to use it next gen.

 

[bj00rn_]

The RAM spec doesn't make any sense. Must be a mistake, old spec. Better not release at all if "only" 2GB, the graphical oomph would be too small to make people care. However, RAM specs are probably not locked at this stage anyway.

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

EDIT:

Was there a title change?

 

[Globox_82]

MS wants Xbox to be the go to box for whatever you want to do. Not including the HD disc standard is foolish.

Again that didn't prevent them from dominating NA (vs Sony) and doing great in Pal market.

Japan wouldn't have supported them anyways.

Everything is going "stream". this is not 2001 anymore.

 

[Majanew]

Yeah well I'll believe it when I see it. I've been guaranteed a Blu-Ray drive was coming to the 360 a bizillion times too ever since Blu-Ray ousted HD-DVD. The fact is Microsoft didn't need Blu-Ray this gen and I guarantee they don't want to use it next gen.

Well, Steve Ballmer couldn't shut up one time and said Blu-ray is coming to Xbox.

And the thread title needs edited. The Xboxygen rumor said the 2GB RAM was for the CPU and they couldn't get word on how much RAM the GPU has. Making it sound like it should have its own.

 

[Psychotext]

Doubt they are going to use blu ray. And pay Sony for every disc they sell?

You mean like they already paid Sony to use DVD? Much like Sony pay Microsoft to use any number of technologies.

(Sony collected a far greater percentage of DVD royalties than they do Blu-Ray)

Corporations aren't fanboys, they generally do what makes sense for the business. Don't mistake the HD-DVD "backing" of 5 years ago (which was done to harm blu-ray / PS3 adoption) with screwing themselves over in the future because a few fanboys will say lolmsbluraylol.

 

[BurntPork]

A console with dual gpu??? riiigghhttt......still the rest is good news for WiiU

How is having twice as many cores and twice as much RAM good for Wii U? This news assures that Wii U will not have better support than Wii. Seems like MS's goal is to max-out hype before Wii U is even truly unveiled.

The dual GPU is likely just for the dev kit. This thing is going to be a beast. Still not sure if I want it, though.

 

[Majanew]

Again that didn't prevent them from dominating NA (vs Sony) and doing great in Pal market.

Japan wouldn't have supported them anyways.

Everything is going "stream". this is not 2001 anymore.

Physical sales are still too great. Streaming is being held back in the States. And MS said themselves they want you never turning the Xbox off. There's a format available to put games on and have the latest blockbuster movie playable, too. Options, man. Buy HD movies and having them stuck on Microsoft's HDD sucks.

 

[derFeef]

A console with dual gpu??? riiigghhttt......still the rest is good news for WiiU

Why? What are the components of the WiiU?
And remember, rumors.

 

[Nirolak]

EDIT:

Was there a title change?

Okay, after reading through the French, the title now correctly reflects the entire rumor unless I'm rusty.

 

[DieH@rd]

2GB of DDR3 Ram? Really? Come on Microsoft, you can get 8GB right now for $50USD, that amount of Ram will really bottle neck the system, unless they have a ton of Video Ram on top of it.

PC ram comes on a stick, console ram must be fused directly into a motherboard. That brings whole shitstorm of complications.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

I'm really worried about underpowered consoles next gen

 

[EatChildren]

Can it run Crysis?

 

[bj00rn_]

And the thread title needs edited. The Xboxygen rumor said the 2GB RAM was for the CPU and they couldn't get word on how much RAM the GPU has. Making it sound like it should have its own.

Ah, yes, makes more sense now.

 

[subversus]

I'm really worried about underpowered consoles next gen

don't worry, they will be better than the ones we have.

 

[Nirolak]

I am kind of wondering why they would go back to split RAM, which is what this rumor implies.

I also think CES is wrong, and dual GPUs is kind of an odd choice, which makes me question the rest.

 

[madmackem]

PC ram comes on a stick, console ram must be fused directly into a motherboard. That brings whole shitstorm of complications.

Thank god someone talking sense, people saying lol my laptop has 4 gig its totally different situation.

 

[wsippel]

Does not compute. DDR3 is absolute shit for a new console (the 360 uses GDDR3!)

I would expect nothing less than GDDR5 in a new console in 2012.

1.) GDDR3 isn't inherently faster than DDR3.
2.) The fastest memory subsystem on the planet (512GB/s aggregate) uses plain old DDR3.

 

[Maximilian E.]

I'm really worried about underpowered consoles next gen

underpowered comparing to what?

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

don't worry, they will be better than the ones we have.

Yeah but that's not saying much, is it?

After such a ridiculously long generation I expect a huge step up. Anything less will be a failure in terms of hardware, in my eyes.

 

[hteng]

wow 2 GPUs?! can't imagine the cost and power draw

 

[subversus]

I am kind of wondering why they would go back to split RAM, which is what this rumor implies.

I also think CES is wrong, and dual GPUs is kind of an odd choice, which makes me question the rest.

Patrick Bach was talking about next consoles featuring dual GPU setups. I think DICE knows...

 

[BurntPork]

The VRAM is probably 2GB GDDR5. Does that make everyone happy?

 

[gofreak]

If reliable (French) moles are sharing whispers, surely a 01net.com report can't be too far away. THAT is when sh-t gets real as far as I'm concerned

 

[WrikaWrek]

Take a core out and put more ram. DEVS NEED MORE RAM ALL THE TIME

 

[Rad Agast]

I think that he refers to the 6800, the Nvidia deal was announced much before the PS3 launch and before the 7700/7800s were on the market so the comparison was with two 6800.

Aha, that makes sense now.

 

[subversus]

Yeah but that's not saying much, is it?

After such a ridiculously long generation I expect a huge step up. Anything less will be a failure in terms of hardware, in my eyes.

I'll take any improvement over what we have now.

 

[rezuth]

Cliffy B, get on it! we need 4GB. Do your magic.

I'm sure he was the one to get it up to two from one. However I very much doubt the rumor. I would be shocked if the new Xbox had more than four cores and I don't know what they mean by two AMD GPU's but assuming its two cores its believable.

 

[Nirolak]

Patrick Bach was talking about next consoles featuring dual GPU setups. I think DICE knows...

Tim Sweeney and/or CliffyB (I forget which) was talking about making graphics code that scaled across a lot of cores.

Six CPUs and two GPUs would actually make sense for fitting that.

The main question would be what the VRAM is, and is probably the main bartering point for developers if the rumor is true.

 

[Globox_82]

don't worry, they will be better than the ones we have.

Nah CELL is super organism, nothing is better then CELL.(N4G logic) /s

 

[wsippel]

The VRAM is probably 2GB GDDR5. Does that make everyone happy?

I don't expect any next gen system to use a split memory pool. I'm sure there won't be any VRAM, outside of maybe a few MB eDRAM.

 

[Router]

Doubt they are going to use blu ray. And pay Sony for every disc they sell? More like proprietary technology. WiiU will do the same

Sony dont own brdvd.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

I'll take any improvement over what we have now.

Me too, but that doesn't mean I'll be happy with it.

I don't expect it to rival my PC, but I want it to be able to flex its muscles pretty well. I know consoles don't need as much power as PCs because devs like Naughty Dog etc can squeeze ridiculous amounts out of it, but yeah.

If we're still playing games in 720p in 2012 onwards it will be a joke.

 

[blu]

How is having twice as many cores and twice as much RAM good for Wii U? This news assures that Wii U will not have better support than Wii. Seems like MS's goal is to max-out hype before Wii U is even truly unveiled.

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[subversus]

Me too, but that doesn't mean I'll be happy with it.

I don't expect it to rival my PC, but I want it to be able to flex its muscles pretty well. I know consoles don't need as much power as PCs because devs like Naughty Dog etc can squeeze ridiculous amounts out of it, but yeah.

If we're still playing games in 720p in 2012 onwards it will be a joke.

It's good. And I'm playing games in 1080p right now.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

It's good. And I'm playing games in 1080p right now.

Not many though. Hell, I bet a few games you play are sub-720p.

 

[BurntPork]

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We've basically confirmed a Wii-like jump in power in the speculation thread. That means Wii-like support.

Not many though. Hell, I bet a few games you play are sub-720p.

That flew right over your head, huh?

 

[volturnus]

wow 2 GPUs?! can't imagine the cost and power draw

Not to mention made by AMD, imagine the heat lol

 

[FlyingTeacup]

reminds me of apple's address.

 

[1-D_FTW]

For everyone bitching about 2 GB, understand this: The vast majority of PC games can be run cranked up and still not break 2GB of system RAM usage. And consoles and PCs are vastly different. A console with 2GB is perfectly reasonable.

 

[gofreak]

Tim Sweeney and/or CliffyB (I forget which) was talking about making graphics code that scaled across a lot of cores.

Six CPUs and two GPUs would actually make sense for fitting that.

A single GPU would (and do) feature 'lots of cores'. You don't need a multi-GPU set up for that.

I don't know, though. Maybe there's a new trend in GPU design coming where it's actually more efficient to use multi smaller GPUs vs one BIG gpu, and we're not entirely familiar with it yet. Although that seems slightly counter-intuitive right now.

I've a feeling it's more likely, from how the report puts it (a AMD dual-GPU 'prototype') that it's something in dev kits that's being used to expose all the power of a final chip to devs now, rather than something that represents the form of the retail configuration. For example, maybe their custom GPU is intended to have high tesselation performance, and they need to rig together two of AMD's cards today to emulate that feature. Or some other such feature.

We need more info though. With this info you can actually reasonably speculate in either direction - either toward something conservative or something quite beastly, depending on the missing pieces. Someone put out the 01net signal!

 

[Ninja Kn1ght]

2GBs of RAM is realistic on a console.