Rumor: Xbox 3 = 6-core CPU, 2GB of DDR3 Main RAM, 2 AMD GPUs w/ Unknown VRAM, At CES
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This is the typical 'Pachter defense'. Like his Wii HD stuff. "Yeah the PS3 Move was actually the Wii HD, I don't keep up with brands really." The Xbox 360 with better graphics is Geoff's idea and really the most stupid half assed shitty idea ever. Watch MS roll out a new console at the end of 2012 and Pachter will be like: "Well it's like the 360 with Windows 8 and all but not really what I call 'next gen' since it's still just a box" or some shit.
Why would MS have a studio in Seattle labeled 'Kudo's nextgen MS studio' by the locals? Why would they have interns working on next-gen hardware design in 2010? 4 years from launch? Does that make sense? Isn't it plain silly to.. and I quote the CV of a former team member: "design brand imaging and logo's for the next generation Xbox used across various media, interfaces and tools." I'm sure if we dig around long enough we can find proof of the first cancelled Rare Xbox Ten game.
Death Dealer
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Sony announced in 2004 that PS3 would be using a GPU from Nvidia. They said they had been collaborating together for the past couple years, so it was early in the process when they had considered using duel Cells in place of a GPU.
so I don't think they should be upset about how the price/performance turned out.
Something based on G80 wasn't ready for the original 2005 release. AMD simply delivered MS a more forward thinking product (unified shaders).
However I doubt Sony were pleased the final RSX silicon had a bug that prevented vertical scaling.
I also highly doubt they go with PowerVR for PS4, as far as I know, nothing they have would be powerful enough to keep up with southern islands or kepler. It sounds like it would be a huge gamble. Much safer to just take something from Nvidia or AMD.
Even though Nvidia screwed them last time, I wouldn't mind if PS4 used one of their GPUs, provided it is up to the task. It would be strange to have the same brand of GPU in all 3 consoles.
I think an enhanced Power PC/Cell with better general purpose multi-threading, along with a Kepler spin off GPU, and 1GB system ram and 1.5GB vram would be sweet.
Basileus777
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A 2014 launch is crazy talk. Oh Pachter.
MS probably got a better graphics card than Sony because the develop graphics API. When you develop something like DX, which is like the industry standard, you know what you will need for hardware you are planning to sell. So having a unified shader setup is something that MS knew would be important to them and they probably asked for it.
Which is why I doubt MS will take a 5000 level ati card and be happy with it.
Which is why I doubt MS will take a 5000 level ati card and be happy with it.
THE:MILKMAN
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Yeah, Pachter lost me completely after the whole Wii HD crap. I won't link to anything he say's again.
herzogzwei1989
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hmm. 2012, 2013, 2014. pick one.
I say fall 2013.
I say fall 2013.
I wouldn't be too sure of that, for a console you would want a GPU that's less power hungry & affordable & I think that's where PowerVR Series 6 along with that Ray Tracing chip could put up a good fight in the console race because the Series 6 is said to be 20 - 100 times more powerful than the Series 5 & I don't think anyone has pushed the Series 5 to it's limits {16 cores clocked at 400MHz } , so who knows what a PowerVR Series 6 could do with 16 cores maybe more clocked at 400MHz or higher.
east of eastside
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http://www.industrygamers.com/news/xbox-720-wont-launch-until-2014-rumors-for-2012-are-just-plain-silly/
I suggested as much earlier. There will obviously be Super Slim PS3 and, not only a new 360, but a new Kinect packaged in as standard with all 360's which will extend the generation through 2013.
I suggested as much earlier. There will obviously be Super Slim PS3 and, not only a new 360, but a new Kinect packaged in as standard with all 360's which will extend the generation through 2013.
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I'd prefer 2014 for the tech advantages, but if even half of these "target box" rumors are true, it will be 2012. I think MS knows it wouldn't be smart to launch in the same year the PS4 does, by launching in late 2012 or eve earlier 2013, it guarantees a Sony-free launch window.
Basileus777
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What the hell would an updated version of the 360 even be? They already have a Kinect bundle and I don't think there are any more die shrinks planned for it, so a smaller console than the slim seems unlikely.
east of eastside
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360 and PS3 aren't going to vaporize the instant next-gen consoles launch. They will probably be stocked at retailers for several years after the next gen begins. Do you really think they are going to be selling the same sku's 5 years later? PS3, 360 and Kinect can all be shrunk and repackaged. If Kinect is cheap enough it can be packed in with every 360 if MS wants to play it that way. Just think that PS3 and 360 will have to take over the bottom end of the market from PS2. There are significant cost saving to be realized from shrinking the boards and power supplies. It's going to happen.
-ImaginaryInsider
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Honestly, what would a "updated Xbox 360 with Windows 8" really bring to the table as a major selling point?
Pachter e-peen growth?
Basileus777
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When Pachter says Microsoft will release an updated 360 in 2012, I don't read it as meaning there will be minor internal revisions to the console. He seems to be suggesting something along the lines of another slim with new software based on windows 8.
I don't think MS is going to want to cut the price on Kinect so soon, and the 360 has gone through so many SKUs already that another would be a waste of developer resources. I think it would be smarter to keep the same model at a cheaper price.
east of eastside
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pacther critics..
Because there is still a ton of profits to be made from the current gen you are going to throw that away because kids on a message board think their should be a new console in 2012?
That's as misinformed and delusional as the Nintendo fans and other people in denial of mobile gaming's rise to dominance over traditional portable.
Because there is still a ton of profits to be made from the current gen you are going to throw that away because kids on a message board think their should be a new console in 2012?
That's as misinformed and delusional as the Nintendo fans and other people in denial of mobile gaming's rise to dominance over traditional portable.
east of eastside
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Well, I don't know about when, but if it cost 56 dollars a year ago and sell for $149 it's got a lot of room to move down. If they are really going to use it again in some form next-gen then it makes sense to continue investing in the technology including shrinking the current one.
I want to punch you.
Anyway, it's Pachter's talk of a new 360 model next year that's the crazy part.
east of eastside
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Okay, I'm not necessarily saying there will be a new 360, PS3 or slim next year but eventually.
All three will be on retail shelves probably anywhere from another 3 to 5 years. No, way they are going to be still in the same form factor with 28 and 22nm die shrinks translating into cost saving on the horizon.
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I've been thinking about this for awhile, is it possible that the Xbox-Next will ship with the current Kinect, and not Kinect 2.0?
MS is already looking at ways of squeezing better performance out of the current Kinect, and the Xbox-Next's hardware boost could possibly add a reasonable boost in functionality. By going with a current generation Kinect, it would be cheaper, and save Kinect 2.0 for a few years down the road.
MS is already looking at ways of squeezing better performance out of the current Kinect, and the Xbox-Next's hardware boost could possibly add a reasonable boost in functionality. By going with a current generation Kinect, it would be cheaper, and save Kinect 2.0 for a few years down the road.
it better be a New Kinect that can track movements at 60 FPS.
Shin Johnpv
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I wish Gametrailers and other sites would stop giving Pachter the time of day. Man is off his rocker when it comes to this industry. He's completely out of touch with it.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Patcher: 360 to have more incarnations than Mick Foley.
Death Dealer
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If Rogue represents that big of a cost savings. You could be right. If the performance is in the ballpark, and it's that much cheaper. Although I've read high end GPUs have high profit margins, so I think if any GPU company wants a console contract, they can bid and still earn a profit. I'd think Nvidia would take the work to stay relevant. But maybe Sony had enough. We'll know soon enough.
I haven't been following the economies of fabricating the latest GPU silicon. What you say makes sense. And Sony could use as many cores as needed to equal or exceed whatever will be in the next Xbox system, as needed, depending on their strategy. If these Series 6 chips are that efficient per mm2 and watt, it could prove to be a prescient move. Due to how costly console launches have become, I think the next gen will likely be long like this one, I hope neither company cuts too many corners. If a 16 core Power VR6 equals a 1080p optimized HD7850 (hypothetical next gen AMD console GPU), maybe they could throw in 20 cores for the same price of AMD's chip due to the cost savings.
THE:MILKMAN
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Don't know how accurate this list is but if you scroll to the bottom of the page it gives a breakdown on GPUs.
http://www.investorvillage.com/mbth...mValue=216617&dValue=1&tid=10777550&showall=1
bgassassin
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I came back to this thread at the right time. Thanks for the link.
*acknowledges you can't vouch for its accuracy*
One of the first silly things I thought of when I saw this was "holy shit Darkstalkers 4 could work in 3D".
Then there was that huge scale scene demonstration where the maps were actively changing from a few base polygons depending on how close or far away from the focus you were and I was forever sold on tessellation.
but the 360 was the nextbox already.
And "Nextbox" is better?
Maybe Nintendo needs listen to Pachter. They wouldnt be a year a out on Wii U now..
Early devkits don't mean they are launching next year. It just means target specs are being simulated on PC
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east of eastside
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http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/xbox-720-and-ps4-not-out-until-2014/082305
2014 fight'n back, 2012 bitches, sorry to rain on your parade. : (
2014 fight'n back, 2012 bitches, sorry to rain on your parade. : (
Now I really want to punch you.
But I'm just feeding the troll here. And the fact that you dug up an article from July as a counter-argument nullifies any attempt to prove that you're not trolling.
No. Think about it in the context of Kinect being a pillar of the Xbox and not a mere attachment. It would be like launching a new console with old Live and then revamping it two years later for $60. Absolutely retarded.
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Oh I don't view it as an attachment, but given that Kinect has only been out a year, I just questioned it being replaced with a Kinect 2.0 within 2 years...doesn't seem like much of a life-span for those that paid a $150 for it last November.
Maybe I'm just hoping they spend more money on the hardware and less a new iteration of Kinect...
3 year lifespan for something $150 is plenty fine, it's not like kinect 2 will be sooo vastly different than 1. it's not like going from xbox 1 to 360.
Retailers trying to protect Fall 2011 sales? SHOCKING NEWS
Thank God. No more 2gb of RAM! Bring on 8gb of ED-performance GDDR5, GPGPUs, and Samaritan slapping performance. Next-gen needs power like no other.
I don't know.
I still don't see the point of launching a new XBOX so close to WiiU. Nintendo hasn't really set the hardcore gamers on fire with WiiU reveal and its launch is probably due for Christmas 2012 instead of summer as previously thought.
A sleeker, even more living room friendly XBOX that emphises compatiblity with Windows apps should be enough to fend the competition for a year or two, there still are games like Halo 4, Bioshock, GTAV and many DLCs for the big games already out to keep momentum.
EDIT : other end of 2012 games are Assassin's Creed 3, Call Of Duty by Treyarch, Medal of Honor, probably a Platinum Games title, Dead Space 3.
How can you launch a next-gen console when previous gen is getting all the developpers' love? Backward compatibility is a given if only to accomodate the catalogue of downloadable games but if I buy a new XBOX next Christmas and its got a few (rushed) next-gen titles that make me wish Halo 4 should have been postponed I can't believe I will be happy.
Exactly. Sony and MS would be better suited to launch around the same time with similar specs. If MS goes with 2gb of RAM, Sony will go with 2gb of RAM. There is absolutely no use in making hardware a generational leap more powerful than your competitor if developer's are going to try to make everything the same anyway. Sony and MS should get together and decide what base level performance they want instead of trying to outdo the other.
IN order for next-gen to succeed is to have eye melting visuals at an affordable price and a modest sized box. This is not possible in 2012. Fuck all the haters who want 60 fps, 1080p. Developer budgets won't skyrocket since they already have made assets in HD that will shine. It's all a matter now of giving enough power to warrant the change to a new console.
If they go with late 2013 / early 2014, you'll see -
GTX 590 / 6990 X 1.5
4 GB of Ram minmum (6 GB in 2014)
Bluray XL
That can be launched at 299-349 in 2013/2014. Developer's can still milk the HD twins, and all will be good with the world. 2012 will yield in a stalemate and a generation that could be a complete and total missed opportunity.
should be 8gb ram....
make it a $500 console
make the 360 cheap like $150
do what PS3 did... yeah PS3 in the early days sucked but that was because it was hard to code for, ppl had a 360 already and didn't want to upgrade and everyone bought the 360 version.
it needs to be comparable to a PC in the first couple of years at least...
make it a $500 console
make the 360 cheap like $150
do what PS3 did... yeah PS3 in the early days sucked but that was because it was hard to code for, ppl had a 360 already and didn't want to upgrade and everyone bought the 360 version.
it needs to be comparable to a PC in the first couple of years at least...
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