Rumor: Xbox 3 = 6-core CPU, 2GB of DDR3 Main RAM, 2 AMD GPUs w/ Unknown VRAM, At CES
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higherARC05
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You say 100w and I say ~200w for the launch system.
Remember Microsoft wants to be able to purposely make money where they can and by ableing a slim version to be made 2-3 years after launch to go to 100w is idea. Why go right to the slimest model with barely any room to slim down and avoid the millions sold for the slim version?
Lets get real these next gen consoles are not going to be 100w systems at launch.
dragonelite
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Didn't Dice first complained they couldn't get higher player count working because of package size restriction microsoft enforced? If so do you guys think that because bandwidth on average is a lot bigger then it was pre 2005 and 360 launch microsoft will increase or remove those gaps?
Why? Because the 360 Slim isn't really slim at all. If you start at 100 watts to begin with, in 2 - 3 years when you have significant die shrinks, you can actually have a system that's shrunk considerably. It won't just be a shrink that makes it more reliable and cheaper to produce, you'll actually be able to release something that's small and svelte.
Who knows. They could and should have already relaxed this already. Support for a minimum of 64kbs ISND? Really? Is there a single person in the US rocking that?
Grampa Simpson
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How many GCNs, and how much duct tape will be involved?
Someone tell Grampa I laughed.
Erm, what equivalent single-GPU cards? On PC manufacturers go dual GPU to push performance beyond what's available in a single GPU in any given GPU family.
As for your second point, of course the total heat output remains the same (or even increases slightly). I never claimed otherwise. However, the heat source will be distributed more evenly in terms of space, and that almost certainly helps in maintaining *local* temperatures. You still need to move the same amount of thermal energy out of the case, but you don't need to move as much of it away from a single source.
It's still a stupid idea for a whole host of other reasons (primarily that GPU processing is getting harder and harder to distribute across multiple cores with more modern and less straightforward rendering techniques).
brain_stew
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Why exactly? The 360's graphics technology (not performance) was a year ahead of anything on the PC at release. It's not going to be as big a chip or run at as high a frequency as high end PC parts but it will use contemporary technology.
Clock frequency is the magic question... A lower clock frequency will reduce the power needed dramatically...
les papillons sexuels
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but in exchange for heat.
bgassassin
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If they were to use them I would expect no more than 18 compute units. I personally doubt we see a console with more than 1200 ALUs. 18 would be 1152 ALUs.
and reduce the heat
What are you talking about? If the next-gen consoles release in 2013/14, not only will you get Samaritan like games, but...
This is going nowhere. :/
Until some new leaks it's just more baseless speculation. In my mind MS could still go cheap and WiiU us, but they could do it proper and do a good jump.
The comments of Frank o Conner in last weeks OXM podcast didn't comfort me... He stated that he didn't knew anything, but wasn't expecting much more in terms of performance and said that the next gen would be much more about improvements in services and (firmware) software.
I didn't like that.
bgassassin
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Explain please.
BoboBrazil
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No way Microsoft will put out a weak system as they are afraid of what Sony will do with PS4 and will not want to get blown out of the water graphically. Sony is afraid of what Microsoft will do and will be making a strong system so they don't look weak next to the next xbox, especially since it will most likely come out a year later. No chance either of these companies come out with a weak system. It will be a huge leap in performance.
Let it go. It's just pointless until we see more.
If Sony is the only one with a powerful console, it would work against them unless it reaches Wii or PS1 levels of success at least. Devs aren't going to push it too far because the cost would outweigh the potential sales, and third-parties will stick to the lowest denominator.
Grampa Simpson
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I hope so. I've been waiting for Sony and MS to ruin the games industry for a while.
Kleegamefan
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Unless it comes out a year later..in which case it is possible to get more performance without a huge increase in cost
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People here really overestimate the impact of a year. Time is probably the least important factor here.
higherARC05
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I am also very excited how the software is going to be for this beast. Microsoft will no doubt put so many featyres for cross formats with pc, phone, and tablets.
Imagine games that when played with a win8-9 tablet offers more gameplay like a rainbow6 game that uses tablets for strategic team movement on map.
Or even better now pc rts can work on consoles with the use of tablets to select units.
Bring it on
Imagine games that when played with a win8-9 tablet offers more gameplay like a rainbow6 game that uses tablets for strategic team movement on map.
Or even better now pc rts can work on consoles with the use of tablets to select units.
Bring it on
H_Prestige
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Well that's always been obvious. The ps3 and 360 already form the basic blueprint for next gen. There isn't much they can revolutionize like before, especially hardware wise.
GCN has already been delayed. Raistlin had a fantastic post on the last page that puts it into words much better than I did.
Thunder Monkey
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The WiiU will be capable of 3x everything Uncharted.
Loop will be capable of 6x everything Uncharted.
This means absolutely nothing.
Loop will be capable of 6x everything Uncharted.
This means absolutely nothing.
Proelite
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However the Loop is 30x everything Uncharted 3, because Uncharted 3 was mediocre.
Thunder Monkey
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Based on the rumored hardware it sounds MS will do both. A good jump, but one they can sell cheaply.
If those rumors hold, it will not be WiiU'ing us. Nintendo has made it clear from the beginning that WiiU is near 360 and PS3 in hardware capability. It could be a bit more/less powerful, but it will not be competitive with the next systems from MS or Sony.
By all accounts, Microsoft is giving us a real next-gen system, but maybe not bleeding-edge.
Proelite
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The Wii U is about 12 x Superman 64.
Thunder Monkey
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Wow, the fog multiplier must be very high.
Remember when Xbox360 and PS3 launched? Remember shots like these?
Even the best showpiece games from this gen didn't quite reach those levels, but they set a very high expectation.
This is what Nintendo gave us at E3:
So what makes you think it's capable of 3x Uncharted3?
Where did you hear that nonsense?
Yeah, it's almost guaranteed that the Wii U can't even match the near-SD 540p crap we're getting from the current gen HD systems. I would honestly be surprised if it can outpace the original xbox.
Uhhh... Nintendo's no fan of CG, and has used it very sparingly in its past. Unlike the other examples you posted, that was rendered in realtime, from 2 differnet angles on 2 different screens. And Darksiders 2 360 port pictures? Really? C'mon man, you can do better.
Thunder Monkey
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Metalmurphy
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Erm, you comparing CG renders to stuff that was actually running in real time...
But still, you have some point, tech demos can always be pushed much more when they lack everything else.
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If it has 640SPUs it would crippled to death with low bandwidth and frequencies to get it to that box. Digitalfoundry guessed 320SPU
bgassassin
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Digital Foundry made a guess based on underclocked kits.
Your tag explains it, but I'd like to see your explanation for this.
I lol'd at your proof.
Your tag explains it, but I'd like to see your explanation for this.
This is what Nintendo gave us at E3:
So what makes you think it's capable of 3x Uncharted3?
I lol'd at your proof.
Thunder Monkey
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You're making my dick waving monkey schtick look high class.
He uses the Zelda demo featuring a realtime lighting engine more advanced than either the PS3 or 360 are capable of, and an image of a 360 game as proof.
Metalmurphy
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Lets not get crazy now.
Thunder Monkey
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Well true.
Both the PS3 and 360 do Global Illumination, it just tends to be of a precision lower than we saw in that tech demo. Crazy averted?
pretty sure it's true. may not be apparent to the naked eye, iirc, it does use certain lighting effects not possible on the 360/ps3.
I think there's going to be a ton of new effects and whatnot next gen that most people will fail to pick up on.
Thunder Monkey
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Hell, I still have to point out exactly what tessellation is doing to a demo before my brother even knows where to look.
higherARC05
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Ya but not real time like that wiiu zelda demo had. This is why it is way more advanced then anything this gen.
bgassassin
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Yeah, and we know how Nintendo is with their tech demos. And it's the Nintendo press conference all over again.
lol wat
Thunder Monkey
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Do you own a current game system?
I can do better? This is what Nintendo has shown. Nintendo has made no attempt to set expectations above 360/PS3, let alone "3x Uncharted3". In 2005, at least you could make the excuse that the silicon-pushing engines hadn't been written yet. If Nintendo wanted to demonstrate the alleged power of the WiiU, they could have licensed any number of PC engines, and rendered a model of Link on Ultra.
I'm not the one who held up Darksiders running on 360 as an example of WiiU's performance. Nintendo did that.
Thunder Monkey
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I'd say the demo of Zelda is closer to an example of WiiU's technical performance.
What we saw definitely wasn't a generational leap. But I can believe Epic when they say half step, or mid generational.
Not a generational leap. That's what I'm saying. "3x" better than the best-looking console game would be a generational leap in my opinion. Hell, if Nintendo showed anything that even looked as good as Uncharted 3, I wouldn't be arguing with you.
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