Rumor: Xbox 3 = 6-core CPU, 2GB of DDR3 Main RAM, 2 AMD GPUs w/ Unknown VRAM, At CES

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if there is anything xbox 720 related at ces, it will only be that they are working on it, it will have win 8 build in and everything will be revealed at e3.
 
evilchicken said:
The only hope I have for the next Xbox and Windows 8 (and I know this isn't going to happen, but I can dream) is a closer relationship to game ownership between the two systems. If I could buy a game and play it on my Xbox but have the option to play the PC version without buying another game, I'd be set. Same with XBLA; purchase once, play on either.

That's actually my biggest hope for the next gen.
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Microsoft reviving PC gaming since 2012-3(tm)
 
specialguy said:
Nothing could overshadow a new Xbox. Wii U and PS4 could only be on par and they're the biggest things that could happen (short of your Apple buying Nintendo thing, which will never happen for lots of reasons).
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OK so the new XBox will be the most powerful and awesome force out there, no matter the timing of release of its competitors? Or did I misunderstand this sentence?
 
StevieP said:
OK so the new XBox will be the most powerful and awesome force out there, no matter the timing of release of its competitors? Or did I misunderstand this sentence?
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I think he means hype only. As in the most Sony and Nintendo can do is match the hype, not overshadow it. I don't think he meant power at all.
 
jaypah said:
I think he means hype only. As in the most Sony and Nintendo can do is match the hype, not overshadow it. I don't think he meant power at all.
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It's still a ridiculous premise. There have been e3 years where any of those 3 console manufacturers have put on amazing hype shows, and there were times that they all sucked complete ass.
 
Here's something that would actually blow my socks of :

Intercompatibility between 720 and windows 8, i.e being able to play 720 games on w8.
 
Corky said:
Here's something that would actually blow my socks of :

Intercompatibility between 720 and windows 8, i.e being able to play 720 games on w8.
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Dont think that will happen, at least not for a few years after the new xbox hits. 360 support for Windows 8 makes perfect sense though with the 360 hitting its final year before the new console so putting it out there more assures more long term support from Microsoft.
 
Corky said:
Here's something that would actually blow my socks of :

Intercompatibility between 720 and windows 8, i.e being able to play 720 games on w8.
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That would just destroy the whole XBox games ecosystem. It would also blow my socks off due to how stupid the decision would be.
 
When people speak of Kinect integration into the next console, what do you mean?

Would you have to position your console such that the cameras could see you?
 
clip said:
When people speak of Kinect integration into the next console, what do you mean?

Would you have to position your console such that the cameras could see you?
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One rumor pending for CES is about a new developers kit for Kinect Win8 integration. Supposedly a new sensor would be required for Win8. The scuttlebutt is that the new sensor would require less space between you and it.
I imagine a sensor for the Xbox would be an accessory since MS could sell it separately. So it might be on a stand or wall mounted like the current one.
 
clip said:
When people speak of Kinect integration into the next console, what do you mean?

Would you have to position your console such that the cameras could see you?
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There are rumors of a Kinect "lite" integration that would have the voice tech and basic motion sensing that could be used for the dashboard and media. Wouldn't be able to be used for games.

verbum said:
I imagine a sensor for the Xbox would be an accessory since MS could sell it separately. So it might be on a stand or wall mounted like the current one.
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Exactly, people who suggest it will be bundled in are missing the massive profit margin MS is making selling the accessory which is why I find those rumors hard to believe.
 
Corky said:
Here's something that would actually blow my socks of :

Intercompatibility between 720 and windows 8, i.e being able to play 720 games on w8.
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that would be so stupid if MS did it , hackers will have a fun day it will make new xbox easy to hack and mod



but that means nude mods for xbox , wow that is awesome i hope it happens ^_^
 
StevieP said:
It's still a ridiculous premise. There have been e3 years where any of those 3 console manufacturers have put on amazing hype shows, and there were times that they all sucked complete ass.
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I've never seen a console unveiling at E3 that didn't garner massive hype and that's what he's saying. PS4 and WiiU would only be able to match the hype, not surpass it. I agree.
 
I find it hard to believe it will be shown next week. Then again if the E3 rumor is true maybe they will show it early and then a blowout at E3. They did that with 360 except it was not ces.
 
Does anyone know anything about the secret Microsoft 12 person R&D team that is locked down in Redmond?

Probably isn't related to gaming but was trying to get in contact with an old friend and his mom told me that he's working on this team that is forced to stay locked away on the MS campus until they are finished.(like a year). Only thing she knew was that it was a 12 person team, nothing about what they were working on.

Again, I really don't think this has anything to do with gaming but I thought some of the big rumor guys might know something about this or maybe had heard about previous projects that were done in a similar manner.
 
bigtroyjon said:
Does anyone know anything about the secret Microsoft 12 person R&D team that is locked down in Redmond?

Probably isn't related to gaming but was trying to get in contact with an old friend and his mom told me that he's working on this team that is forced to stay locked away on the MS campus until they are finished.(like a year). Only thing she knew was that it was a 12 person team, nothing about what they were working on.

Again, I really don't think this has anything to do with gaming but I thought some of the big rumor guys might know something about this or maybe had heard about previous projects that were done in a similar manner.
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They're working on the portable Xbox handheld which will be set to compete with Vita in 2013.
 
Reminds me of the R&D bunkers they had in a pharmaceutical company I used to work for. Basically take the brightest minds in the company and keep them safe from the grinding cogs of the corporation for a period of time to see what they come up with.

Expensive, but if you value innovation and keeping your top creative / intellectual talent unshackled, it's an interesting idea.
 
These just popped up on twitter:

Software Design Engineer
Are you interested in working with leading edge technology? Are you fascinated by the video game industry and Xbox 360?

Come join a diverse team and play a key role in the early development and verification of the world-class Xbox. We are looking for

a Software Design Engineer in Test who also has hardware architecture knowledge. You will be responsible for creating and updating tests software for the diagnostics of major silicon subsystems on the console from early design all the way to manufacturing. In addition,you will generate the tools both on the console and on the PC to assist in debug, automation, and data analysis.
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Hardware Development Engineer
Join the Xbox Accessories Group and make your mark on the coolest gaming platform. Our group designs, builds, and tests all of the Accessories for the Xbox 360, including the award winning Xbox 360 Wireless Controller, Wireless Microphone, and Wireless Racing Wheel. We are looking for an experienced and creative electrical engineer who has a proven track record of managing and developing complex high volume consumer products.

Candidates should be self-motivated with a deep understanding of hardware and software system principles and the ability to lead others to implement hardware and embedded software across a variety of products and technologies.

The Xbox Accessory team is looking for an experienced electrical engineer to lead the development of accessory products which meet high quality, tight schedule, and consumer-oriented cost targets. The qualified candidate will draw upon their experience in system design and electrical engineering to deliver world class high volume consumer products.

As the senior EE in the team, you will be responsible for all aspects of product-level hardware engineering related to product design. You will work with other in-house and contract engineers to define and document the product architecture, write technical specifications, lead design reviews, and manage development partners to deliver the final manufacturing-ready electrical design including DSP, microprocessors, analog circuitry, displays, user interfaces, and power subsystems. You will be responsible for following Microsoft’s product development processes and best practices.

Qualified candidates must have track record in designing and developing high volume consumer electronics products, from concept to manufacturing, Candidates should have a broad understanding of PC or game console architecture, extensive knowledge of hardware product development processes and quality requirements of consumer electronic products, good knowledge on hardware testing, and familiar with high volume manufacturing process and test.
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Not much, but pretty much adds a little fuel to the the fire.
 
bigtroyjon said:
Early design all the way to manufacturing sure doesn't sound like a product that will be releasing any time soon. Maybe Pach-Man is right after all.....

Almost puked a little typing that last sentence.
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They where hiring for Kinect hardware a year before launch too, so maby expanding the current team that is working on the next xbox?

Still Patcher might be right :P
 
Router said:
Thats more than I was expecting. 2gb needs to be 4gb though.
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But we dont know the VRAM yet, which could be 1GB

So, it could be 3GB ram total, comparing to 512MB ram total of xbox 360

Xbox 360 has unified RAM and VRAM in one 512MB module

But i doubt they will have split ram, so this rumor seems 99.999% fake (like all rumors)
 
bigtroyjon said:
Early design all the way to manufacturing sure doesn't sound like a product that will be releasing any time soon. Maybe Pach-Man is right after all.....

Almost puked a little typing that last sentence.
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I would think he's halfway right. The consoles won't be shown this year, but they sure as hell are releasing in 2013.
 
bigtroyjon said:
Early design all the way to manufacturing sure doesn't sound like a product that will be releasing any time soon. Maybe Pach-Man is right after all.....

Almost puked a little typing that last sentence.
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Accessoires group they didn't specify its for the next gen xbox only.
Could be a internet dongle, the next gen controller or the next kinect.
 
nasos_333 said:
But we dont know the VRAM yet, which could be 1GB

So, it could be 3GB ram total, comparing to 512MB ram total of xbox 360

Xbox 360 has unified RAM and VRAM in one 512MB module

But i doubt they will have split ram, so this rumor seems 99.999% fake (like all rumors)
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The X360 actually had 522MB of RAM in total. Don't forget about the 10MB of EDRAM.

Which brings me to my next point, just because a system has VRAM, doesn't mean it has a lot of VRAM.
 
TheOddOne said:
They where hiring for Kinect hardware a year before launch too, so maby expanding the current team that is working on the next xbox?
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I'm not sure that Kinect would be a good example to use since it's using a chip made by another company(along with other tech MS has been R&Ding for half a decade) They weren't conceptualizing Kinect a year before it launched or coming up with initial designs for the silicon.

Could be that the job description is just a catch all and they want someone with knowledge of the whole process but either way this doesn't look good for the reveal at CES and release in 2012 crowd. Or I guess the listings could be fakes designed to throw the internet slueths off the scent.
 
Luigiv said:
The X360 actually had 522MB of RAM in total. Don't forget about the 10MB of EDRAM.

Which brings me to my next point, just because a system has VRAM, doesn't mean it has a lot of VRAM.
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EDRAM on 360 is not VRAM, the main RAM is used as VRAM

EDRAM is a super expensive RAM used for AA mainly and frame buffering

Which is why it is only 10MB, it is far more expensive than VRAM

Video cards to today have 512-2GB or more VRAM, so at the very least 720 will have 512MB VRAM or 1GB or more

But i think this rumor is fake, since they would use unified RAM
 
bigtroyjon said:
I'm not sure that Kinect would be a good example to use since it's using a chip made by another company(along with other tech MS has been R&Ding for half a decade) They weren't conceptualizing Kinect a year before it launched or coming up with initial designs for the silicon.

Could be that the job description is just a catch all and they want someone with knowledge of the whole process but either way this doesn't look good for the reveal at CES and release in 2012 crowd. Or I guess the listings could be fakes designed to throw the internet slueths off the scent.
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Good point.
 
nasos_333 said:
EDRAM on 360 is not VRAM, the main RAM is used as VRAM

EDRAM is a super expensive RAM used for AA mainly and frame buffering

Which is why it is only 10MB, it is far more expensive than VRAM

Video cards to today have 512-2GB or more VRAM, so at the very least 720 will have 512MB VRAM or 1GB or more

But i think this rumor is fake, since they would use unified RAM
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Last I checked the EDRAM was dedicated to the GPU. Therefore it's VRAM. It's possible to have both Unified and dedicated memory within the one system, you know.
 
I thought Microsoft pulled out of CES? I got a half good gaming PC now and I'm so lazy I don't really think I will be going back to consoles in the future unless there is a bigger difference in variety .
 
bigtroyjon said:
I'm not sure that Kinect would be a good example to use since it's using a chip made by another company(along with other tech MS has been R&Ding for half a decade) They weren't conceptualizing Kinect a year before it launched or coming up with initial designs for the silicon.

Could be that the job description is just a catch all and they want someone with knowledge of the whole process but either way this doesn't look good for the reveal at CES and release in 2012 crowd. Or I guess the listings could be fakes designed to throw the internet slueths off the scent.
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There will also be future iterations of the chips that will need to go through a verification process.

The funtional design must be set in stone at this stage since there are already hw kits handled out to studios that mimic the capabiliy of the nextBox.
 
painful fart said:
There will also be future iterations of the chips that will need to go through a verification process.

The funtional design must be set in stone at this stage since there are already hw kits handled out to studios that mimic the capabiliy of the nextBox.
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At this stage they don't need to be accurate kits. They could have more RAM (for debugging) and just be a PC that gives an indication to devs.


derFeef said:
This years CES is their last attendance.
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Strange, seeing as they seem to be becoming more of a consumer electronics company with their phones and entertainment hub push.
 
Luigiv said:
Last I checked the EDRAM was dedicated to the GPU. Therefore it's VRAM. It's possible to have both Unified and dedicated memory within the one system, you know.
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It is not at all the same as the VRAM used in video cards

For one is a custom chip, which ups the cost like 10x

Then it is integraded in the GPU, which ups the cost another 10x

So, for the price of this 10MB EDRAM the can have 2GB VRAM actually or more

Also look here

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8126/Xbox-360-Embedded-DRAM-Spec-Confirmed/

"The name "embedded DRAM" is used because the memory is embedded directly onto a chip.

Last week, we also revealed the ATI patent for a “method and apparatus for supporting anti-aliasing oversampling in a video graphics system that utilizes a custom memory for storage of the frame buffer.” In layman terms, that is embedded video RAM for the GPU to use it as a frame buffer. "

In short, the EDRAM is a very special, extremly more expensibe than VRAM part, which was mainly intended as frame buffer with some other functions and logic attached on 360

The main VRAM of 360 is in the unified 512MB RAM, not the 10MB EDRAM

The point is that you cant compare the size of EDRAM to VRAM, since EDRAM is like 100x more expensive and different than VRAM (it has basic logic functions too) and that is why 360 only has 10MB of it

The article does not state anything about the 2GB ram beeing unified either or the GPU ram beeing EDRAM and not VRAM
 
AzaK said:
At this stage they don't need to be accurate kits. They could have more RAM (for debugging) and just be a PC that gives an indication to devs.
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Hah!

I've been trying to understand why a company that has never broken from unified memory pools would do so this next gen. It's an early SDK they are going by. DDR3 because it's cheap and a 2 gig featuring card. Mystery solved.

Probably 2-2.5 gigs of some fairly fast RAM and a sizable amount of eDram. Variant of a 2012 GPU. Launching this fall.

Much prettier games than WiiU because of the extra three years of GPU advances. More RAM, but not going to break the bank on either manufacturing or user end.

Leaves them room to put Kinect and a traditional controller in the box.

Launching at $299-$399.
 
Thunder Monkey said:
Hah!

I've been trying to understand why a company that has never broken from unified memory pools would do so this next gen. It's an early SDK they are going by. DDR3 because it's cheap and a 2 gig featuring card. Mystery solved.

Probably 2-2.5 gigs of some fairly fast RAM and a sizable amount of eDram. Variant of a 2012 GPU. Launching this fall.

Much prettier games than WiiU because of the extra three years of GPU advances. More RAM, but not going to break the bank on either manufacturing or user end.

Leaves them room to put Kinect and a traditional controller in the box.

Launching at $299-$399.
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A monkey and a frog predicting the next generation, lets sell the movie rights to hollywood and get rich.
 
nasos_333 said:
It is not at all the same as the VRAM used in video cards

For one is a custom chip, which ups the cost like 10x

Then it is integraded in the GPU, which ups the cost another 10x

So, for the price of this 10MB EDRAM the can have 2GB VRAM actually or more

Also look here

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8126/Xbox-360-Embedded-DRAM-Spec-Confirmed/

"The name "embedded DRAM" is used because the memory is embedded directly onto a chip.

Last week, we also revealed the ATI patent for a “method and apparatus for supporting anti-aliasing oversampling in a video graphics system that utilizes a custom memory for storage of the frame buffer.” In layman terms, that is embedded video RAM for the GPU to use it as a frame buffer. "

In short, the EDRAM is a very special, extremly more expensibe than VRAM part, which was mainly intended as frame buffer with some other functions and logic attached on 360

The main VRAM of 360 is in the unified 512MB RAM, not the 10MB EDRAM

The point is that you cant compare the size of EDRAM to VRAM, since EDRAM is like 100x more expensive and different than VRAM (it has basic logic functions too) and that is why 360 only has 10MB of it

The article does not state anything about the 2GB ram beeing unified either or the GPU ram beeing EDRAM and not VRAM
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Type, Size and Price is irrelevant. If it's dedicated to the GPU it's VRAM. Stop trying to create distinctions where it doesn't exist.
 
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