The apparently so called "crippling the whole system" discussion was spurred by the Lego game appearing in the Snappable section, but whatever.
(RUMOR) Xbox One GPU reserve getting smaller soon, down from 10% to 2%
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The apparently so called "crippling the whole system" discussion was spurred by the Lego game appearing in the Snappable section, but whatever.
So a picture of a game's details that came out at launch somehow indicate a feature deduction for an update that has yet to be released ? I guess they could have updated the details for whatever reason but that's hardly confirmation enough to change the whole tide of the thread.
Ricerocket
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The rumor is an "optional boost." Something is being traded for like 3 fps boost and it's up to devs to use it. Snap seems like the perfect candidate considering the things you can do with it during a game that obviously takes up resources.
And who said it was confirmation?
That's kinda the point. It's being talked about like it's a fact, when it's unconfirmed.
Anyway, i'm done here, i unintentionally derailed enough.
Sorry
Appropriate shorthand for Xbox One, don't care about the butthurt from others tbh. Xbox 360 = 360, same application.
It's one letter short, I'd hardly call that shorthand.
Canis lupus
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So the Xbone has like 1.17TFlop for games available?
But this is good news for multiplats on all platforms.
But this is good news for multiplats on all platforms.
That's the objective. Seriously, move on
We have a shorthand name for people who like to abbreviate things, it's called Xbone.
For fuck's sake he can call it the One if he wants to.
It's no different than referring to the Xbox 360 as "the 360".
"the Xbox One"
"the One"
false.
People can call it "the Xbone" all they like. Other people can call "the One" if they're not fond of Xbone. I tend to use X1, because I'm lazy. Are you trying to mandate what people call the console? Won't win you many friends around here? Is this SonyGAF then?
WTF are you even talking about? "Comprehensive aggressive optimization"?
Optimizations occur on every console. However there are significant disadvantages still at work that cannot be "optimized" to be better.
PdotMichael
Banned
optimisations is jut a codeword for cutting features.
Microsoft will not find some magical unused gigaflops somewhere.
Alx
Member
Er, no. Cutting features is a way to gain performances, but there are many ways to "optimize" some code while keeping the same features. Things as simple as the way you code a loop or handle temporary objects can have a big impact on performances.
Chance Hale
Member
Did they demand all of the studios stop making games while their likely entirely separate OS/tool development team made the kind of optimizations and changes one would normally suspect?
Sony decreased the PS3's system OS RAM footprint significantly over the system's lifetime. Microsoft appears to be doing something similar with its GPU.
The big difference here is that you are not dealing with a static codebase in a controlled environment (e.g. system-level party chat, video recording, ...), but with a (virtualized) runtime environment, designed to make no assumptions about the resource demands of the applications that it runs. I don't see how you can optimize a resource budget that you are not using yourself, but granting to other applications.
PdotMichael
Banned
Exactly. It's just like the small CPU/CPU boost a few monts ago.
"Nice, but it does not change things that much. Of course, something is better than nothing.” A 30fps game won't get 60fps because of this.
Yep! Which makes these "insider rumor/news" much more ridiculous
btw.
Why some people still believe that thurway/famousmortimer got "insider knowledge" is beyond me.
Well said.
Yea but it caused its own set of problems, try using the store(on its own) or the PS button while ingame.
No but, 4 - 6 frames is 4 - 6 frames.. so extra power is extra power.. no matter what.
Good for devs, not so good for Kinect. I wonder if it signals a further shift away from Kinect being a bottom line requirement in every box...
Good news by my book though. I mean if a dev really wants to pursue some awesome kinect driven vision, they can still do this.
Good news by my book though. I mean if a dev really wants to pursue some awesome kinect driven vision, they can still do this.
godisturbed
Member
smacks of desperation
Its not gonna help Tomb Raider double framerate is it
Its not gonna help Tomb Raider double framerate is it
actually i realised i'm not really being fair, this is just a rumour
I think Kinect is pretty much dead outside of voice commands for the ui/ingame.
Of course not.
We're not talking about a hardware upgrade here.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
So, if this is happening to the extent that is suggested, it basically means the Kinect reservation, which is currently done entirely on the system side for developers, whether they wanted to take advantage of Kinect in their games or not, is now being turned over entirely to the developer.
In other words, if a developer wants to do something with Kinect, they can now make up their own minds as to how much or how little GPU resources they want to put towards it, and if they don't want to do much of anything at all with Kinect, or just the bare minimum, then they can just utilize the majority or even all of the freed up GPU processing resources. And with this, I'm sure Microsoft is also providing the Kinect code they were using before in the system reservation for use by devs, in case they want to use it as a starting point.
And to those suggesting it, no, this doesn't signal bad things for Kinect, because Microsoft is almost certainly going to be giving devs the code they were using for Kinect on the system reserve side in case they want to take advantage of it. The fact still remains that every Xbox One comes with Kinect included, and as long as that is the case, devs, if they're willing to invest in it, will know that all xbox one owners can take advantage of it. If this is true, then it just makes sense to give developers more of a choice in the matter.
In other words, if a developer wants to do something with Kinect, they can now make up their own minds as to how much or how little GPU resources they want to put towards it, and if they don't want to do much of anything at all with Kinect, or just the bare minimum, then they can just utilize the majority or even all of the freed up GPU processing resources. And with this, I'm sure Microsoft is also providing the Kinect code they were using before in the system reservation for use by devs, in case they want to use it as a starting point.
And to those suggesting it, no, this doesn't signal bad things for Kinect, because Microsoft is almost certainly going to be giving devs the code they were using for Kinect on the system reserve side in case they want to take advantage of it. The fact still remains that every Xbox One comes with Kinect included, and as long as that is the case, devs, if they're willing to invest in it, will know that all xbox one owners can take advantage of it. If this is true, then it just makes sense to give developers more of a choice in the matter.
Probably, yes.
Microsoft hasn't even started to push it as a game controller yet. That will start with Kinect Sports Rivals and D4 in the coming months. And once there are enough consoles out there, third parties will likely use it more and more as well.
Key thing to point out, Sony decreased the footprint while adding features over the years we're getting rumours of MS cutting out a significant chunk of reserve 2 months in.
If there is something like 100% usage of the GPU then we talk about a few frames in the single digit department max. The lack of raw power, CUs and ROPs wont be compensated though. Its more or less the same as it is right now.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Pretty much, but the scale of the framerate improvement is not going to be massive.
If a game is hitting 28 to 29 fps average with dips, this will bump it up to 30 fps average with dips.
If a game is hitting 55 to 57 fps average with dips, this will bump it up to 60 fps average with dips.
It's not going to make a game suddenly hit 60 fps solid when it was hitting 45 fps before.
Those "TR is 60fps on PS4 but 30fps on Xbone" news hurt, you know.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Improvements on the system reserve side are always happening; even during launch day this stuff is being worked on, so how quickly any one thing happens isn't really a cause for alarm. Even the architects in the eurogamer article on the xbox one said that they made a very conservative reservation of up to 10% of the GPU's processing, and clearly signaled this would be seeing a decrease as they refined things some more.
ultratruman
Banned
I fully agree, the more they talk about the power differences with the PS4 and say things like 'I'm looking foward to the truth coming out', the harder they're making this for themselves.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
You guys are right. Its locked in 720p.
Blows my mind when seeing footage of the alpha. Seems like that game should be able to achieve 4K with whats happening on screen.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I don't think so. I think it's only the truly obsessed that even care at this point. How many different ways can it be explained that the PS4 has stronger hardware? At this point, many more people are just concerned with enjoying the system and the games coming, of which there's some exciting things for Xbox One owners to look forward to. The dick measuring contests will be replaced with people just not sweating the small stuff and instead having some fun.
ultratruman
Banned
You're very wrong if you think a consumer willing to trade in all their old consoles and shell out hundreds of dollars at launch for these systems doesn't care about 'the small stuff'. In my store we have a PS4 demo station, and across the road Argps has an Xbox One station. Ordinary customers come in everyday (dads, college students, old geezers) and remark at how much better FIFA or battlefield 4 looks on the Playstation.
The perception exists in the wider public in the UK, people know which system is stronger at running games. What Microsoft need to focus on isn't trying to play hopeless catch-up and pull the wool over people's eyes, but say 'Yes, the games run at a lower resolution. Here's what that lets us do.'
Thats the worst defence post from you so far. The damage is already done, thanks to boards like this and the bad PR, the message about the "truth" on these consoles spread out like fire on the social networks and the mainstream media. Most of the people are aware of the differences in power and price. And ironically, its the enthusiasts that carry these systems in the next two years until sometime in 2015 and 2016 the masses adopt whoever has the best price, support, service, games and of course better image due to word of mouth.
I really wouldn't hold my breath on third party devs on this matter, changing the input method has been Nintendo's bread and butter and even when they forced to use the input like on the Wii there were exceptions to how it was used mostly coming from Nintendo, Sony had sixaxis in every controller, that got bare support, and I reckon it's going to be a similar story with the touchpad to.
Meaningful Kinect support is largely going to come from Microsoft, if that's enough to justify it's existence, which I don't think it is in creating differential versions of games found on other platforms.
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Well it does sound like they're refining a future Kinectless Xbox One.
Joke post???