Miley watches the show and the she even attended the S7 finale, so I'm pretty sure she's actually into drag and the queens.
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RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7 |OT| Did you not or did you not come for me today?
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YAS Pearl.
Smash me
But that Tammie Brown cameo on the left side of the gif! <3 <3 <3
MisterGrey3000
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I didn't really watch the VMAs but (from what I've seen) I thought the queen's were fierce and that seems to be the general sentiment on Twitter and tumblr.
There is obviously a bit of shock value involved but...
I think Miley genuinely likes the queen's and genuinely likes drag.
I'm seeing so many Instagram vids of Miley interacting with queens and both parties seem to be having lots of fun; displays like that combined with her previous drag race appearances makes it kind of hard for me to think she's only doing it for shock value.
And if that was the ultimate goal...then it failed; Nicki, Bieber, Kanye, and Miley themself generated way more buzz than 30 background dancers/living props that happen to be drag queen's and are largely unknown to mainstream cis straight gender-typical America.
:/
This is actually something I kind of I fear, I mean, she was trashy :/ and not in a drag, "camp" way, it was actually bad, and the song sucks... I wonder how much the queens influenced or had input into the performance, being that we know already what they are capable of I would say that probably not very much, if at all.
Or maybe this is too meta for me and I'm not getting it :/
We're really saying "YAS PEARL" to Pearl doing the same foot stomping, hand snarling "dance" thing she was doing back in season 7? The one that she got torn apart for for doing every time she had to dance? The one that made her look ridiculous during the filming of the music video?
She still can't dance? And that's still her signature move?
Boo-urns.
But yay drag queens on national TV.
She still can't dance? And that's still her signature move?
Boo-urns.
But yay drag queens on national TV.
zeopower6
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Honestly... I dunno what to think of it. It's nice to see the queens out there in the 'mainstream' but I don't think this was the way anyone wanted it to happen. Miley definitely likes drag and drag queens. BUT that song and performance was a whole lot of huh.
And why was Carmen there? lol
And why was Carmen there? lol
MisterGrey3000
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I don't ever remember her indicating that she wanted to distance herself from drag, drag queens, or even RPDR (though I can understand why some trans women would want to do that in our current climate); I still see her performing and hanging out with the queens in pictures on a somewhat regular basis. Heck, I see her hanging out with the other Heathers pretty often.
She was just very critical of the liberal use of microaggresive transgender puns on a national LGBT-centric television show, that's all.
It's important to remember that we can criticize problematic aspects of something while still liking/loving it.
As far as remember, people didn't really seem to talk about the queens all that much on social media.
Miley themself, Nicki's call out, Justin's breakdown, and Kanye's talk/announcement completely overshadowed the queens.
Most of the post I saw though were pretty positive and praised them for their performance.
There were a few "but why did my favorite queens have to perform with Miley?! D:" post, but that's as negative as it got outside of some fringe bigotry and a few angry ignorant tumblr users ranting about how much they hate cis drag queens and drag in general.
I don't think there is much to worry about.
zeopower6
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She doesn't really ever mention the show when people talk about how she got her start or how anyone might recognize her. It's because of her "acting" or "modeling" that she's known according to her.
She along with Willam were "banned" from the RPDR tour for being notoriously difficult to work with.
She along with Willam were "banned" from the RPDR tour for being notoriously difficult to work with.
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If that's the case, I can kind of understand why she might do that.
There are still a lot of negative effemiphobic/femmephobic, homophobic, and transphobic feelings about drag and drag queens in the larger non-LGBT world; this obviously makes it very hard for queens (and kings) to break into the mainstream without being beautiful props, stereotypical underdeveloped throwaway GBT extras, or nameless colorful background dancers.
I imagine she feels that mentioning drag as a kickstarter to her career wouldn't really be all that appealing to the mainstream.
Plus, she's a transwoman...it's more than likely she doesn't want to be seen as an effeminate crossdressing queer guy (which btw, is a beautiful thing to be if you happen to actually be a cis or trans man/boy <3 ) in the non-LGBT world.
But again, I have frequently seen her hanging around the drag scene and performing/socializing with both obscure queens and drag race girls.
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There were numerous other trans women in the show (including Miss Monica Beverly Hillz) so it wasn't really just drag focused. Carmen still has rapport with most Drag Race queens, I think the only bad blood if anything is between her and Ru's team, but they've probably made amends by now.
As for the criticisms of the performance that I'm reading... I think we're over-analyzing. The song/performance wasn't any more low-brow than what queens would typically perform on stage. Plus, I thought the first half was kind of elegant, the second half was a hysterical mess and I loved the unrehearsed aspect of it. Also, they all brought it and looked like they were having fun. If there wasn't much buzz about the moment it's probably because drag isn't really that shocking anymore. Drag Race has really elevated the drag scene to the point where even folks who are completely removed from that culture can look at it and not be horrified/shocked.
Good on Miley for bringing them all out, letting them showcase their talents (YAS @ that death drop), and having it be cohesive with the performance/song, and not feeling shoe-horned. Total epic moment for me.
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Her performance is authentically her own and I appreciate her not being thrown by the criticism. Just do you, Pearly.
That is kind of my point, performance wise only the queens are getting any feedback, even if it comes mostly from Drag Race fans that know them already. The final VMA presentation used to be a big deal, remember when those performances were actually in everyone's mouth? like Madonna's? hell even Marilyn Manson. Ok, if you are younger than 25 you probably don't
, my point is that now no one cares, they only care about hollow gossip and hashtags and call outs, when it used to be about the show itself, so performance-wise they did save the show for me.Soulscribe
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That is kind of my point, performance wise only the queens are getting any feedback, even if it comes mostly from Drag Race fans that know them already. The final VMA presentation used to be a big deal, remember when those performances were actually in everyone's mouth? like Madonna's? hell even Marilyn Manson. Ok, if you are younger than 25 you probably don't
Yeah, though that's more of a statement on the pop culture landscape right now and not so much on Miley or the performance itself. The most talked about moments were the Nicki/Miley shade and the Kanye/Taylor moment. Sad
Red Liquorice
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I was just rewatching season 3 and noticed a few later queens in the casting tapes section of the preview episode - Katya, Kasha Davis a few others.
zeopower6
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IMO S3 and S4 were the highs for this show. 6 was ok but Bianca was uncontested.
S7 is probably near the bottom for me. Too many group challenges.
Lots of memorable moments but they were definitely not Gia or Laganja level. S6 is unparalleled in catchphrase creation.
The crystallized glamazon explanation is legendary and I love Kandy Ho's only memorable line of the season. Mother does not play.... that!
S7 is probably near the bottom for me. Too many group challenges.
Lots of memorable moments but they were definitely not Gia or Laganja level. S6 is unparalleled in catchphrase creation.
The crystallized glamazon explanation is legendary and I love Kandy Ho's only memorable line of the season. Mother does not play.... that!
You mean the one she was reading of a script? LOL
We also didn't get that many catchphrases. I can only think of "come through!!!" and that's it.
Oh and "I need an adult", that one is funny
FLAZEDA. sadly I can't hyphenate the e. 💅🏽
NICOLE PAIGE BROOKS tooting and booting with Raja. The read on jiggly had me cackling tbh.
I accepted that as it was airing tbh.
Red Liquorice
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Kennedy Davenport tho.
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I don't know how anyone can make a blanket statement like this. Two big points were made during that season: 1) that young queens can learn to beat a mug and sew, but if you don't have the personality or performance talent then you're just a lackluster queen, and 2) team challenges don't let the queens showcase their true talents. Who knew Kandy Ho was an amazing dancer? Her shows are fucking AMAZING. No one knew. Otherwise, we got some iconic queens and as we hoped, the runways were insane. Wasn't that the biggest complaint from S6?
The biggest disappointment of season 7 is that Katya didn't get to be final 3, but she'll get her glory in AS2.
What about her?
Red Liquorice
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She fierce. Her and Katya saved the season for me.
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Phoenix street walker reincarnated, semi-literate, shady, defensive, boring and basic.
Monocle
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That about covers it.
Red Liquorice
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lol, I'm ok with being her only fan!
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One thing about the next season I'm looking forward too is the inclusion (I assume) of songs from Realness - I think Color My Love and Step It Up are genuinely awesome songs and the early 90s influence is pretty now. Color My Love is so Baby D, the UK 90s dance influence is really strong.
Probably showing my age that the influences on Realness are what I was listening to when I first wenting clubbing!
Probably showing my age that the influences on Realness are what I was listening to when I first wenting clubbing!
MisterGrey3000
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Nope.
The season definitely had it's problems (challenge balance immediately comes to mind) , but I loved a lot of the queen's and would never describe girls like Violet, Max, or Katya as awful.
Surprise Asian queen.
Monocle
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She looks cool.
Soulscribe
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Can someone gif Alaska throwing the papers down the stairs. POPGAF would utilize this greatly.
zeopower6
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Yep. This was going to happen.
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You're a God
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World's #1 One Direction Fan: Everyone else in the room can see it, everyone else but you~~~
The guy with Miss Fame apparently broke into the runway, the idiot. Miss Fame handled it like a pro though.
EDIT: sources!
http://worldofwonder.net/marco-marco-scandal-miss-fames-on-stage-encounter-with-a-stalker/
I do hate how StJames titles the article in the form of clickbait, urrgh.
EDIT: sources!
http://worldofwonder.net/marco-marco-scandal-miss-fames-on-stage-encounter-with-a-stalker/
I do hate how StJames titles the article in the form of clickbait, urrgh.
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