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[gruenel]

There is a country in the world more determined to undo progress than the United States. Yay I guess.

I'm sure that since both countries are now led by the same person the US will catch up soon.

 

[Funky Papa]

On the surface, Russian traditionalists are practically libertarians.

Bloomberg opened a bottle of the purest ether without even knowing.

 

[darscot]

Two years in jail and losing custody of a child because you slap one does seem excessive. This law does seem to need work and not a good solution. I would never slap or spank my kids but I do feel its people right to discipline. A slap on the bum that does no harm should not land you in prison. I mean to a child, a person should be assault.

 

[Calm waterfall]

I could maybe, maybe see an argument for spanking very young children (although IIRC even that is counterintuitively counterproductive). But if you're slapping a 17 year old, that's not discipline, that's anger-fueled violence aimed at your own fucking child. That's not okay.

Spanking a 4 year old is much worse and more rage inducing than spanking a 17 year old. At least a 17 year old would most likely conscious about their actions, a 4 year old is not. Spanking of children does not bring any benefits whatsoever according to many studies.

 

[Muppet of a Man]

This is rooted in (extremist imo) religion. In their view you should be able to run your own household as you see fit without police interfering etc. Back in the good old dad used to be able to whip out the belt and spank his kids. I'm Polish and I heard stories from my grandparents of kids being made to kneel on a pile of frozen pees for hour(s). "Traditional" values lol.

I've read of similar arguments against Obamacare. Basically if you're sick/dying the church should help you not the government(only if you're worthy of course).

Also this is a devious of lowering crime statistics.

Look crime is way down! Praise Putin!

This is exactly what it is. It is a thinly veiled push for theocracy led by the white Christian Taliban. Same deal for the white Christian Taliban in the US.

 

[Exile20]

WTF?!?!!

Putin man.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

lets see how the Putin ballwashers spin this

What do you mean? They all think women need to be put in their places anyway. They'll applaud this.

 

[Patrick S.]

What a shithole of a country Russia is becoming.

 

[KernelPanic]

This is exactly what it is. It is a thinly veiled push for theocracy led by the white Christian Taliban. Same deal for the white Christian Taliban in the US.

I've heard people call them Talibangelicals now I know why.

It's the ultimate hypocrisy when they rant and rave against "radical Islam" and they believe in stuff like this.

 

[Frankfurter]

Insanity

 

[Guevara]

The MRA-Trump-Putin alliance just made more sense

 

[WiiredShawn]

I could maybe, maybe see an argument for spanking very young children (although IIRC even that is counterintuitively counterproductive). But if you're slapping a 17 year old, that's not discipline, that's anger-fueled violence aimed at your own fucking child. That's not okay.

It's not okay, I agree, but assuming that the mom isn't a routine abuser, then I understand why she'd be pissed enough to slap her kid. Imagine you're a hard-working mother trying to pay off your mortgage - which might be hard in Putin's economy - and your kid decides to blow that money on some teenager shit without any concern for how it might affect the family.

That's not "I get off on punching my child," that's "I am fucking pissed that my child compromised our living situation on something selfish and trivial". Is slapping them a healthy way of responding? No, ideally, adults should be better than that. But her anger would not be unreasonable.

That said, I still don't know how much I trust the story. Reagan made up his welfare queen for political purposes, so I wouldn't put it past Putin to do the same.

 

[TheCochese]

I've heard people call them Talibangelicals now I know why.

It's the ultimate hypocrisy when they rant and rave against "radical Islam" and they believe in stuff like this.

Goddamn that's a good turn of a phrase. While I am mildy religious I don't get these people at all.

 

[Dai101]

Traditional family values of beating your wife?

Well yeah. I mean, weren't those the days where america was great too?

 

[Muppet of a Man]

I've heard people call them Talibangelicals now I know why.

It's the ultimate hypocrisy when they rant and rave against "radical Islam" and they believe in stuff like this.

It's exactly the same sort of projection of flaws we see with the likes of Trump and Putin. No wonder the religious bigots support them so ardently.

 

[Skatterd]

Don't worry, it'll be a pre-existing condition again in the US soon.

 

[Boney]

Well if Ivan the Terrible was in favour of this, it seems like a no brainer to adopt it back

 

[LegendofJoe]

And they're our friends now wahoo! Soon we'll all be able to beat our wives like the good old days!

/s

Things like this are why Russia is dangerous and corrosive to our way of life. Fuck them and fuck whoever supports them.

 

[Vixdean]

It's cute how Russia pretends to be a Democracy with an actual legislative body that doesn't just follow Putin's lead.

 

[Akainu]

Finally, too long have wives been allowed to make dinner late without a proper slapping.

 

[GrizzleBoy]

Can anyone pinpoint the exact moment when humanity started regressing as a species?

I dont even recognise the world anymore.

 

[gutter_trash]

Don't worry, it'll be a pre-existing condition again in the US soon.

good one!

 

[CyclopsRock]

Tbh beating the shit out of women is a traditional family value, just not a very good one.

 

[Rygar 8 Bit]

A 17-year-old girl frittered away some family cash put aside to pay off the mortgage. When her mother discovered it, she slapped the young woman, who then went to the police. Even after the mother and daughter patched it up, it was too late to roll back the prosecution, and now the mother risks losing custody of a younger child.

clearly there is no way to have a less extreme version of the law the only options are

a) prison for life if you even breeze by someone
b) beat who ever you want when ever you want with no consequence

 

[Akainu]

Can anyone pinpoint the exact moment when humanity started regressing as a species?

I dont even recognise the world anymore.

You make it sound it never stopped the only change is population growth.

 

[Breads]

Let's move back to the past.

When things were worse.

When we knew less shit.

Because reasons.

 

[ultratruman]

Can I just take a second to recommend following the author of this article Leonid Bershidsky, @Bershidsky, and Bloomberg politics in general? It's the most incisive, mature and unbiased US outlet for political news.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

#fuckputin

i hope this post doesn't put me on a gru/kgb list

 

[Nudull]

Putin's a super-cool guy, right alt-righters?

 

[Blader]

Waiting for Glenn Greenwald to say that we have no evidence that this bill actually exists.

Ha!

 

[AuthenticM]

Russia can fuck off into oblivion

 

[whyamihere]

Can I just take a second to recommend following the author of this article Leonid Bershidsky, @Bershidsky, and Bloomberg politics in general? It's the most incisive, mature and unbiased US outlet for political news.

He is very good.

 

[Psychoward]

Disgusting if true.

oh so that's how it's gonna be huh

 

[WiiredShawn]

Let's move back to the past.

When things were worse.

When we knew less shit.

Because reasons.

We might not have had food to eat in the past, but by God, we could throw a few starvation punches at our wives without the government riding our ass. We need to go back!

 

[Koomaster]

I wonder how they know if it had consequences to their health, how big the bruise has to be, can there be bleeding? Im genuinely curious about how the yare going to enforce this.

Maybe they are trying to make Rule of Thumb a real law in modern times? :/

I really don't see how this could be seen as anything other than backwards progress and just pure evil. Like sure just go ahead and beat your wife, can't see any downsides to that. Seriously, fucking evil!

 

[Mr. Giggles]

We might not have had food to eat in the past, but by God, we could throw a few starvation punches at our wives without the government riding our ass. We need to go back!

The "good" old days when giving your wife a black eye was the real secret to a happy marriage..... Not like today with all the hippie counselling and talking.

 

[Dipper145]

After reading the post, and I know it's shitty to say, but I feel like a lot of it is quite reasonable. Why can't you spank your kids? That mom losing her younger child because she slapped her daughter once? Seems pretty crazy to me. But it seems those storys come from someone I wouldn't particularly trust either.

Obviously domestic violence is bad, but this seems to me like more aiming to blur the line on what would constitute 2 years in jail than saying its suddenly okay to beat your wives. Which, obviously, is not okay.

 

[WiiredShawn]

After reading the post, and I know it's shitty to say, but I feel like a lot of it is quite reasonable. Why can't you spank your kids? That mom losing her younger child because she slapped her daughter once? Seems pretty crazy to me. But it seems those storys come from someone I wouldn't particularly trust either.

Obviously domestic violence is bad, but this seems to me like more aiming to blur the line on what would constitute 2 years in jail than saying its suddenly okay to beat your wives. Which, obviously, is not okay.

I think that's the real problem, here. It's a Trojan Horse argument. Savvy politicians are trying to use these isolated and wayward cases to say the law is harmful, and then using that as an excuse to do away with penalties altogether. Using an exception to derive a rule, basically, and it's dangerous.

The "good" old days when giving your wife a black eye was the real secret to a happy marriage..... Not like today with all the hippie counselling and talking.

Sorry, I just imagined the guy in your avatar saying that and it seemed amusing. And frighteningly accurate.

 

[HStallion]

Beat your wife = traditional family values.

wat?

If the husband won't do it, who will?

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Why does this thread have to turn into shitpost circlejerks about Greenwald and Corbyn again?

In Greenwald's case its because he's spent the last two months defending Putin and Russia at every turn, including going on Fox News to cluck about how the liberal media was being unfair to poor old Putin and Trump.

 

[AGoodODST]

Two years in jail and losing custody of a child because you slap one does seem excessive. This law does seem to need work and not a good solution. I would never slap or spank my kids but I do feel its people right to discipline. A slap on the bum that does no harm should not land you in prison. I mean to a child, a person should be assault.

You cannot be serious?

Hitting the most vulnerable members in society should not be punished harsher than hitting an adult? Get out of here with that utter shite.

No respect for parents that are so bad at the job of raising a kid that they have to resort to violence against them.

 

[yanipheonu]

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

general rule of thumb

when ever there phrase 'traditional family values' is uttered your in for a rough ride

Yup. Just like small town values. Also, I see what you did there.

 

[LegendofJoe]

In Greenwald's case its because he's spent the last two months defending Putin and Russia at every turn, including going on Fox News to cluck about how the liberal media was being unfair to poor old Putin and Trump.

The man is gay too, it makes me think they were able to compromise him in some way. Why else would he advocate for someone like Putin that supports criminalizing homosexuality?

 

[Beefy]

Messed up

 

[Savitar]

How badly is this going to cause abuse to skyrocket now.

 

[John Rabbit]

How badly is this going to cause abuse to skyrocket now.

I feel like the type of people who would beat their wives/children aren't super concerned with the legal ramifications anyway. Of course that's not to say it won't cause an increase, but I think "skyrocket" is a bit over-reaching.

 

[avaya]

I mean Steele's dossier says Putin want to return to the 19th century. Looks like in all facets he is.

Not even the slightest bit surprised anymore.

Hopefully the sanctions bankrupt Russia completely.

 

[Servbot24]

They are cartoon evil, my god.

So are we (Americans).

 

[KDR_11k]

Meanwhile a yoga teacher got arrested for "missionary work for non-traditional religions"...