Come On Tars
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Digging my 7950x3d for gaming and productivity. I don’t this thing will bottleneck me for the foreseeable future.
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Ryzen 9 9950X3D and 9900X3D to Feature 3D V-cache on Both CCD Chiplets
marquimvfs
Member
Nah, it's that now they really really (pinky) swear that they really really found the issue (4, to be precise) that is causing the CPU defects. https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...rrors-prepares-new-and-final-microcode-update
OverHeat
« generous god »
Already bottleneck a 4090 so…
Life Diff
Member
cinnamonandgravy
Member
all-chiplet vcache and a 512bit 5090?
alright im in
alright im in
SolidQ
Gold Member
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Fahdis
Member
When I turn on my new pc with 9900X3D and a RTX 5090
So nothings changed except for your PSU and RGB lights being brighter?
ap_puff
Member
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so, don't buy the part that's 11% faster by default, buy the part that's 3% slower by default and then buy a bunch of expensive cooling and ram to gain 10%?
11% faster, medicore.
Better stay with Intel 285K and overclock the hell outta it, 6Ghz with 10,000MT Cudimm ddr5.
peish
Member
Yes. As PCMR, it is the tuning that defines us.
Intel ST is still way faster. ST makes games fly. A tuned 13900K can beat 7800X3D in most games with at most 50W more heat.
Because Intel tuning ceiling is higher.
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SolidQ
Gold Member
ap_puff
Member
nah i aint got time for all that, you have funYes. As PCMR, it is the tuning that defines us.
Intel ST is still way faster. ST makes games fly. A tuned 13900K can beat 7800X3D in most games with at most 50W more heat.
Because Intel tuning ceiling is higher.
also,
>cinebench
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peish
Member
AIR 9700X vs water 13900k
Untuned Intel. No indicative of true ceiling.
peish
Member
I got pro-tip, psst, get Intel 265K. It is all the gaming CPU you need. 8 higher perfomaning P-cores.
9800X3D cannot be cheaper than 265K, so AMD is already beat before launch.
Von Hugh
Member
Using alt accounts now, eh, Leonidas?
Rivdoric
Member
Dual CCD gaming is shit.
I'm on a 7950X3D and when windows somehow manage to put game threads on both CCD i have stupid stutters. Real bad stutters depending on the game, worst being UE ofc.
So dual 3D cache won't change a thing in that, the latency between CCD will still be there and destroy 1% low.
Trust me i did a LOT of tweaking to have a proper and smooth experience with that CPU.
Now with 24H2 it's a bit better though. Almost 2 years after purchase.
Never purchase dual-ccd for gaming if you're not interested to do nerd optimization just to play games.
I'm on a 7950X3D and when windows somehow manage to put game threads on both CCD i have stupid stutters. Real bad stutters depending on the game, worst being UE ofc.
So dual 3D cache won't change a thing in that, the latency between CCD will still be there and destroy 1% low.
Trust me i did a LOT of tweaking to have a proper and smooth experience with that CPU.
Now with 24H2 it's a bit better though. Almost 2 years after purchase.
Never purchase dual-ccd for gaming if you're not interested to do nerd optimization just to play games.
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Based on Intel's own benchmarks a 9700X should be just as fast in gaming.
GHG
Gold Member
What in the Leonidas is this?
peish
Member
You are a noob, 13900K easily do >7600, and 5.8Ghz P-cores and smash Zen4 in games.
winjer
Gold Member
You are a noob, 13900K easily do >7600, and 5.8Ghz P-cores and smash Zen4 in games.
Buildzoid, one of the best memory overclockers, has a 13900K that can barely reach 6000Mbts.
But has a 13600K that can go close to 8000.
It's called silicon lottery for this reason. So stop pretending it's an issue with the user, because it's not.
SolidQ
Gold Member
"husband"
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Zathalus
Member
Spoken like somebody who doesn’t know what the term silicon lottery means.You are a noob, 13900K easily do >7600, and 5.8Ghz P-cores and smash Zen4 in games.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
True, you still have latency issues in terms of communicating between the two CCD’s but if instead of splitting render threads in a way that passes data back and forth a lot amongst them you assign it to”other” work now at least you can be sure they will complete it at around the same time before you had a massive speed difference based on where you ran any task.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Process lasso FTW…
Rivdoric
Member
Indeed.
Reason of my last sentence.
peish
Member
Buildzoid is a noob in memory overclocking. He can give you general settings, that’s all. He dont spend enough time with ddr5
There are forums like ocn, chiphell, overclockers, discords, that are better With information
Zathalus
Member
None of that matters if the memory controller on the CPU can’t cope with anything above 6800. Not all CPUs are created equal, Intel guarantees a certain level of performance and anything above that is luck. Most 13900k can reach 7200 or higher, mine is one of those that can not.
Insane Metal
Member
I mean, whats the idle wattage? That's what really matters or so I heard
11% faster, medicore.
Better stay with Intel 285K and overclock the hell outta it, 6Ghz with 10,000MT Cudimm ddr5.
Celcius
°Temp. member
MSI leaks Ryzen 9000X3D: 2% to 13% higher gaming performance than 7000X3D - VideoCardz.com
Ryzen 9000X3D performance according to MSI MSI claims 2% to 13% higher gaming performance. Ryzen 9000X3D vs. 7000X3D, Source: HardwareLuxx MSI invited media members on a special tour of its factory to showcase the next-gen Intel and AMD board manufacturing process and demonstrate new designs. It...
videocardz.com
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
11% faster, medicore.
Better stay with Intel 285K and overclock the hell outta it, 6Ghz with 10,000MT Cudimm ddr5.
11% maximum. Looking at that graph, it's closer to ~5% on average.
Small sample size of course though.
GHG
Gold Member
MSI leaks Ryzen 9000X3D: 2% to 13% higher gaming performance than 7000X3D - VideoCardz.com
Ryzen 9000X3D performance according to MSI MSI claims 2% to 13% higher gaming performance. Ryzen 9000X3D vs. 7000X3D, Source: HardwareLuxx MSI invited media members on a special tour of its factory to showcase the next-gen Intel and AMD board manufacturing process and demonstrate new designs. It...
Looking like this whole generation of new CPU's is a bit of a bust from both AMD and Intel this time around.
SolidQ
Gold Member
We need more games, 3 games is irrelevant stats.
Would be insteresting to see like in SC2 CPu bound
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peish
Member
No. What’s your motherboard? What’s your ram?
Buildzoid is fine for general information but he is not the enthusiastic about ram over clock
For instance this fellow has intel 285k, look at it’s minimum fps prowress
Overclocking "Arrow Lake" - 285K, 265k, 245k...
www.overclock.net
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Like I have two gaming pc now and one is my old 3700 with a 4070 super and it still the majority of new games in ultra 4k at 60 fps. My other is a 7700x with a 9700 xt. That runs those games 60 gps as well.
So my question is what games are these guys running that requires the newest / best bleeding edge cpu and gpu that I'm not running?
Zathalus
Member
Buildzoid has got nothing to do with it. You can just end up with a mediocre memory controller that can’t take a lot of voltage and sucks for memory overclocking. It’s not super common but sometime you just end up with a bit of a dud.No. What’s your motherboard? What’s your ram?
Buildzoid is fine for general information but he is not the enthusiastic about ram over clock
For instance this fellow has intel 285k, look at it’s minimum fps prowress
Overclocking "Arrow Lake" - 285K, 265k, 245k...
SolidQ
Gold Member
Gigabyte “X3D Turbo Mode” boosts performance for unannounced Ryzen 9000X3D by up to 35%
Gigabyte "X3D Turbo Mode" boosts performance for unannounced Ryzen 9000X3D by up to 35% - VideoCardz.com
Gigabyte confirms Ryzen 9000X3D Gigabyte has made a surprising announcement today, confirming the Ryzen 9000X3D series before AMD. The press release published today reveals Gigabyte’s new technology, called “X3D Turbo Mode”, available on AMD’s latest X870/X870E motherboards as well as existing...
videocardz.com
SyberWolf
Member
looks like a good catalyst for earnings lol.Gigabyte “X3D Turbo Mode” boosts performance for unannounced Ryzen 9000X3D by up to 35%
Gigabyte "X3D Turbo Mode" boosts performance for unannounced Ryzen 9000X3D by up to 35% - VideoCardz.com
Gigabyte confirms Ryzen 9000X3D Gigabyte has made a surprising announcement today, confirming the Ryzen 9000X3D series before AMD. The press release published today reveals Gigabyte’s new technology, called “X3D Turbo Mode”, available on AMD’s latest X870/X870E motherboards as well as existing...
DanEON
Member
lol. No! Tuning is a thing of the past. Current hardware doesnt require tuning anymore. I run all at default. I dont even use MSI Afterburner anymore. I just focus on gaming now, which is what really matters!!!
Not doubting what you are saying however I run a 5900x and many games that will run across both ccds and never have any bad sutters or spikes. Is this simply the cache issue ? Or something else.
Genuinely interested as I am building am5 early next year and need to decide between vcache or straight 12 cores. Been very happy with the 5900x over the last two years.
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GHG
Gold Member
The x3d chips won't do shit for their earnings, drop in the ocean compared to what they make on enterprise, datacenter and AI.
Bry0
Member
Wish we had a full fat 16 core ccx!
My buddy has a 7950x3d and my other friend has a 7700x. They were both getting the same framerate when we were playing tarkov and my fps was 20fps higher on my 7800x3d. Just silly to have to deal with all the scheduling BS.
ap_puff
Member
Gigabyte “X3D Turbo Mode” boosts performance for unannounced Ryzen 9000X3D by up to 35%
Gigabyte "X3D Turbo Mode" boosts performance for unannounced Ryzen 9000X3D by up to 35% - VideoCardz.com
Gigabyte confirms Ryzen 9000X3D Gigabyte has made a surprising announcement today, confirming the Ryzen 9000X3D series before AMD. The press release published today reveals Gigabyte’s new technology, called “X3D Turbo Mode”, available on AMD’s latest X870/X870E motherboards as well as existing...
