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Sailor Moon Community Thread: She Blinded Me With Science!
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King Endymion
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Oh, lol, even on the same page, I fail XD Thank you.
It's a shame, but there are no releases over here, so it's the best you can get with the English dub and subtitles, I wish they would release it in the UK, but oh well,
I'm editing the Swedish dub and I would prefer the best image quality possible, so in that case I would probably need to import all the Japanese volumes.
It's Sailor Moon so it's sort of pre-disposed to some sort of gigantic fuck up but Jesus christ, Viz.
Sailor Moon R 73
Best character debuts. Oh, and Chibiusa steals the Silver Crystal, which doesn't go so well. Lots of great character moments here:
Mamoru: Father of the Year...
...uh maybe not if he allows his daughter to do this.
Gotta throw the Inner Senshi a bone too.
I wonder how many times the Inner Senshi/Chibiusa/Mamoru
in the series anyway?
Best character debuts. Oh, and Chibiusa steals the Silver Crystal, which doesn't go so well. Lots of great character moments here:
Mamoru: Father of the Year...
...uh maybe not if he allows his daughter to do this.
Gotta throw the Inner Senshi a bone too.
I wonder how many times the Inner Senshi/Chibiusa/Mamoru
get kidnapped
There's gotta be some sort of statute of limitations on double posting.
Not sure what you mean.. that it should be alright if it has been days since the last post?
Either way, I don't want the thread to die out so I wanted to post regardless.
Sailor Moon R 74
Boss Battle: Usagi Vs Rebeus. Really good battle and lots of good character growth here for Usagi and Chibiusa.
Boss Battle: Usagi Vs Rebeus. Really good battle and lots of good character growth here for Usagi and Chibiusa.
Aha, well it does seem like I do that a lot. I just generally like my episode thoughts being different posts. Although, anything more than two posts in a row would definitely be tedious.
cj_iwakura
Member
Sailor Moon R 74
Boss Battle: Usagi Vs Rebeus. Really good battle and lots of good character growth here for Usagi and Chibiusa.
Sign that Usagi isn't taking you seriously: one handed wield.
cj_iwakura
Member
This is a pretty damning review.
http://www.amazon.com/review/R123Y8...RHG&nodeID=2625373011&store=movies-tv
And comparison:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=98804
http://www.amazon.com/review/R123Y8...RHG&nodeID=2625373011&store=movies-tv
And comparison:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison.php?id=98804
KDash31987
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cj_iwakura
Member
Of course, we all know Viz won't do jack. It's best to just stick your head in the sand and wait for it to go away.
KDash31987
Member
Yeah, it's a lot...maybe too much. Not sure if I'll read it myself.
And it's my character from Sunset Overdrive, based loosely on Ryuko Matoi from Kill la Kill.
cj_iwakura
Member
The TL;DR is that they applied sloppy filters to make it look 'HD' and instead it loses a lot of quality and image detail.
And they botched the widescreen format.
KDash31987
Member
Haven't we known that for months, since the Hulu versions came out?
I think the widescreen thing bugs me more than the filters, though. I wanted to just get the DVDs and watch those on my 4:3 TV. :/
cj_iwakura
Member
I was never interested because of that, and also because I adore my ADV sets. I guess people didn't realize how bad that really was until now.
KDash31987
Member
Perfect.
cj_iwakura
Member
Look at the bright side, maybe the ADVs will drop in price now.
Of course, the opposite might happen instead.
KDash31987
Member
cj_iwakura
Member
Heh, still around what I paid for it new. $99 for season 1, $150 for 2. (when they came out)
eternalblue
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Hey there, been a fan of Sailor Moon since I first caught the syndicated run of the English dub back in '96. Just popping in with some of my random thoughts on the Viz release and comparing it to the old ADV release.
I've watched through the first 16 or so episodes of the Viz blu-ray and I honestly have no problem with the picture quality. I only really noticed ghosting in the OP right after the title when it shows and Luna and Sailor Moon jump down in front of the moon. Otherwise, I haven't noticed ghosting effects while playing the video at normal speed, only when I paused to look for them.
I figured I'd try comparing it to the first episode from the old ADV DVD set, and wow, I had forgotten what total ass those old DVDs were. Immediately obvious was how muffled and terrible-sounding the mono audio is, as well as how every second of the OP and most of the first episode had grain and dirt everywhere.
I forget if I'd noticed it before, but the audio timing of Moonlight Densetsu was completely off on the ADV DVD too... the masks should have popped up in time with the beat in music, Luna should pop up in time to a drumbeat, "tsuki no hikari" should have started when the Sailors started spinning, the emphasized "do" in "nando mo" timed with when it zooms in on Usagi's face, etc. It really ruins the flow of the OP with the messed up audio timing, even worse than Funimation did with Detective Conan OP and ED audio timing, which really annoyed me.
The OP and ED having 2 variations actually was really surprising to me. Since I'd mostly only seen the ADV version which used the only "clean" versions of the OP and ED available without the Japanese credits and lyrics, I didn't realize the versions I was used to seeing were the "updated" versions. I'd always thought that each season only had 2 OP variations each, but looking into it, apparently Super also had 3 different OPs.
Interesting how the Viz Moonlight Densetsu lyric translation left "gomen-ne" and "shinjiteiru-no" as-is. I'm guessing maybe to keep in the spirit of the English words sprinkled throughout the song.
I watched subbed and dubbed for the first disc, and then continued watching the dub up to episode 16 so far. The dub is quite solid. I really think the dub nails the humor well and for the most part stays far more faithful to the original, although they couldn't resist an "over 9,000" joke, as well as commenting that Mamoru needs to find something different to wear. It would be nice if this dub could find its way to be shown on TV.
I've watched through the first 16 or so episodes of the Viz blu-ray and I honestly have no problem with the picture quality. I only really noticed ghosting in the OP right after the title when it shows and Luna and Sailor Moon jump down in front of the moon. Otherwise, I haven't noticed ghosting effects while playing the video at normal speed, only when I paused to look for them.
I figured I'd try comparing it to the first episode from the old ADV DVD set, and wow, I had forgotten what total ass those old DVDs were. Immediately obvious was how muffled and terrible-sounding the mono audio is, as well as how every second of the OP and most of the first episode had grain and dirt everywhere.
I forget if I'd noticed it before, but the audio timing of Moonlight Densetsu was completely off on the ADV DVD too... the masks should have popped up in time with the beat in music, Luna should pop up in time to a drumbeat, "tsuki no hikari" should have started when the Sailors started spinning, the emphasized "do" in "nando mo" timed with when it zooms in on Usagi's face, etc. It really ruins the flow of the OP with the messed up audio timing, even worse than Funimation did with Detective Conan OP and ED audio timing, which really annoyed me.
The OP and ED having 2 variations actually was really surprising to me. Since I'd mostly only seen the ADV version which used the only "clean" versions of the OP and ED available without the Japanese credits and lyrics, I didn't realize the versions I was used to seeing were the "updated" versions. I'd always thought that each season only had 2 OP variations each, but looking into it, apparently Super also had 3 different OPs.
Interesting how the Viz Moonlight Densetsu lyric translation left "gomen-ne" and "shinjiteiru-no" as-is. I'm guessing maybe to keep in the spirit of the English words sprinkled throughout the song.
I watched subbed and dubbed for the first disc, and then continued watching the dub up to episode 16 so far. The dub is quite solid. I really think the dub nails the humor well and for the most part stays far more faithful to the original, although they couldn't resist an "over 9,000" joke, as well as commenting that Mamoru needs to find something different to wear. It would be nice if this dub could find its way to be shown on TV.
I get that a lot of people won't mind the picture quality of the Blu-rays (DVD is another story), but what bugs me is that most of these people probably also wouldn't mind the picture quality they'd get if they simply put a (proper) DVD into their Blu-ray player and let the player do the upconverting. As a point of fact, putting the Japanese DVD into your Blu-ray player (region locks aside) would produce an objectively better picture than putting Viz's Blu-ray into your Blu-ray player.
So the Blu-ray is basically a waste of time and effort and money. It's a placebo. It tricks people into thinking they're watching something good.
So what else could Viz put into their LE boxsets to justify the increased price? How about looking to the mid-90's, in the opposite technological direction, and including soundtrack CDs with the LE set? Sailor Moon has an amazing soundtrack, and it's all been preserved on CD, in Japan. Include three CDs worth of songs with each LE. Sell the individual tracks for a buck apiece on iTunes.
Even DiC released multiple CDs in America, one of which included Moonlight Densetsu and Ai no Senshi.
At the time, VHS fansubs had better quality than ADV's set, because they were copied from laserdiscs. ADV admitted that they knew that they could have better quality if they borrowed a fan-owned set of laserdiscs to copy, but legally they couldn't touch them. They were required to use what Toei gave them, which was worn out and degraded magnetic tape.
IIRC, they also made a "the Internet is a series of tubes" joke. It's kind of distracting, and it takes you out of the moment, but it's not frequent. Usagi constantly ripping on Mamoru's 90's attire is more bothersome. The dub needs to decide what year the show's being set in.
Welcome to the thread eternalblue.
Sailor Moon R 75
So we got an anime version of A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors where Chibiusa is attacked in her dream and the others have to enter her dream to rescue her. Also, Sailor Pluto debuted, which makes this episode is even better.
Sailor Moon R 75
So we got an anime version of A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors where Chibiusa is attacked in her dream and the others have to enter her dream to rescue her. Also, Sailor Pluto debuted, which makes this episode is even better.
eastx
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The dub does seem really solid, except for Usagi's brother's voice. He is utterly miscast, and that's silly. it can't be that hard to find someone who can do a little boy's voice.
Waiting for 2020 to upgrade your TV?
Waiting for 2020 to upgrade your TV?
KDash31987
Member
Waiting for 2020 to upgrade your TV?
More like 2040...but, is a TV that can't play Duck Hunt really an upgrade?
MikeHattsu
Member
Sailor Moon R 07
Like taking candy from a baby.
So Usagi and Mamoru gets to take care of a baby then, and they get to watch it take it's first steps and speak the first words. Child's play.
Like taking candy from a baby.
So Usagi and Mamoru gets to take care of a baby then, and they get to watch it take it's first steps and speak the first words. Child's play.
MikeHattsu
Member
Sailor Moon R 08
Rei is popular with the girls then.
It's a school festival episode where Rei does a lot of hard work, Ail and An gets to dress as aliens and even Yuichiro shows up for a split second. There's lots of funny Luna and Artemis faces as well.
Rei is popular with the girls then.
It's a school festival episode where Rei does a lot of hard work, Ail and An gets to dress as aliens and even Yuichiro shows up for a split second. There's lots of funny Luna and Artemis faces as well.
I like how in the Minako episode they are targeting kindergarteners, and next episode are targeting babies. They keep getting younger and younger.
Completely unrelated, but a few years ago I uploaded my short film (MP4 file I believe) to my PS3, and now I think the version I had on my laptop seems to have disappeared. Is it possible to get it from my PS3 to my laptop with a USB or something?
Completely unrelated, but a few years ago I uploaded my short film (MP4 file I believe) to my PS3, and now I think the version I had on my laptop seems to have disappeared. Is it possible to get it from my PS3 to my laptop with a USB or something?
KDash31987
Member
Try pressing Triangle while highlighting the video to see if an option to copy it pops up.
KDash31987
Member
"However, we will be omitting pillarboxing on the Sailor Moon DVD sets going forward."
Thank goodness...
cj_iwakura
Member
Boy is that some Grade-A Spin.
*proceeds to make half-assed excuses for the complaints of terrible video quality*
That's not how interlacing works. Also, Viz has a bad habit of comparing their ideal picture to compromised source, resizing the original picture and not correcting the aspect ratio. If it was pixel-perfect, sure, leave the aspect ratio as the pixels are stored on the DVD, but if you're going to bloat it to 1080p, don't make people think that the extra resolution caused an aspect ratio problem. Toei clicked the "4:3" checkbox. "Wow gee, I sure am glad Viz corrected and enhanced that screwy DVD into a Blu-ray. I would get dizzy if I was forced to watch a DVD as broken as what Viz had to deal with."
Not sure if I believe Viz. If true, abandon all hope for anything better than the Japanese DVD.
Because everybody knows that DVD doesn't work on modern Blu-ray format.
So they admit that they fucked up the DVDs on set 1, but they don't say anything about a recall.
Also, they don't say anything about learning how to interlace, and don't say that they're going to quit upsizing the video to 1080p, applying vaseline to the picture, then downsizing it back down to 480p, and generally producing a worse transfer than any DVD or laserdic or maybe even VHS in Sailor Moon's long history, worldwide (groups like ADV debatably produced a worse picture, but that was due to bad source, the transfer itself was competent).
Someone in the Amazon review thread claims that Viz responded to them, saying...
Viz claims in their blog post that film of Sailor Moon does not exist anymore, therefore Sailor Moon cannot ever be truly remastered, but says that Toei used (vaguely) "the best materials available" to put together masters that were able to be used to make the Japanese DVD release, and that they have access to those.
Someone else in the Amazon thread put together a comparison of what the Japanese DVDs look like, plainly upscaled to 1080p, compared to what Viz claims that the masters used to make those DVDs look like.
If nothing else, take a close look at Luna's whiskers.
Viz said:
Viz claims in their blog post that film of Sailor Moon does not exist anymore, therefore Sailor Moon cannot ever be truly remastered, but says that Toei used (vaguely) "the best materials available" to put together masters that were able to be used to make the Japanese DVD release, and that they have access to those.
Someone else in the Amazon thread put together a comparison of what the Japanese DVDs look like, plainly upscaled to 1080p, compared to what Viz claims that the masters used to make those DVDs look like.
If nothing else, take a close look at Luna's whiskers.
So basically, Viz is blaming the above on Toei. Viz says they definitely got the masters that Toei used to make their DVDs, but somewhere along the line, someone (definitely not Viz) cleaned it and blurred it and adjusted the colors and messed up the interlacing. Viz only tried to clean and blur and deinterlace and adjust the colors back to normal.
Not even Mamoru wants to buy the DVD/Blu-Ray combo pack.
lolol "NOPE."
Btw Mike, do you wanna watch PGSM with me sometime? (ノ
´・ω・`(ヾOn a whim, I decided to take some screenshots from the ADV DVDs and blow them up to 1080p, to compare them to the Japanese DVD screenshots.
(JPN first, ADV second)
I should point out that audio, not video, was the biggest complaint against the ADV DVDs, but it's still kind of shocking how the picture from ADV's worn-out masters is beating Viz's washed-out picture.
(JPN first, ADV second)
I should point out that audio, not video, was the biggest complaint against the ADV DVDs, but it's still kind of shocking how the picture from ADV's worn-out masters is beating Viz's washed-out picture.