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TOKYO--In 1997, the year Sir Howard Stringer joined Sony, Japan's premium electronics company, it took little notice of the Samsung Electronics, a South Korean television maker fighting a life-or-death battle to survive the Asian currency crisis.

Less than a decade later, Samsung now has twice the market capitalization of Sony, which this week named Sir Howard its chairman.





Nor is Samsung Sony's only rival. Apple Computer now dominates the market for portable music players. Silicon Valley companies have led the way in digital gadgets like handheld personal organizers and digital video recorders. Sony is even facing strong competition from Kodak and Canon for digital cameras, a product category it invented.

Samsung has become what Sony could once claim--the competitor that has both breadth of products and the appeal of a premium brand.

This rapid reversal of fortunes illustrates the highly competitive world of consumer electronics that Stringer, a media man, is entering. Complacency and coasting on best-selling products have contributed to a nearly 75 percent decline in Sony's stock value since its March 1, 2000, peak. The invincible "factory of ideas" founded almost six decades ago by Akio Morita, the company that brought the world the transistor radio, the Walkman and the Trinitron television tube, seems to have lost its way.

"Samsung is now the anti-Sony," George Gilder, an American technology analyst, said here Wednesday. "Sony is layered with bureaucracy. The amazing thing about Samsung is that it is like Apple with Steve Jobs involved in designing the iPod; it is like Sony with Morita deeply involved in developing products."

Samsung has kept a lean corporate structure, with authority increasingly delegated to front-line managers around the world, and almost a quarter of the far-flung staff of 88,000 dedicated to research and development.

But in Monday's boardroom purge, Sony demoted the one engineer credited with developing a new, world-beating product line, the PlayStation game consoles. Ken Kutaragi remains chief executive of Sony Computer Entertainment, but he loses supervision of Sony's consumer electronics and semiconductor business just as it is preparing the Cell Chip, a superchip that is to run the next generation of game machines and also high-definition televisions. With the handheld PlayStation Portable selling like hotcakes since it was released here in December, the next PlayStation is to come out next year, in time to compete with a new Xbox console by Microsoft and a new console by Nintendo.

In the last three years, Sony's electronics division has dragged down company profits. With the division forecasting losses for 2004, Sony is expecting about $1 billion in profits for the year ending this month, about 1.5 percent of revenue of about $69 billion. By contrast, Samsung, in the year that ended in December, had $10 billion in net income on sales of $56 billion. High profits allow Samsung to invest billions in research and development, maintaining 15 laboratory complexes around the world.

"Last year we spent $7 billion in capital spending, the largest for any information technology company in the world," Joo Gwan-Moo, a spokesman for Samsung Electronics, said by telephone from Seoul. This year, Samsung Electronics, the world's largest maker of memory chips, will invest $10 billion.

Samsung also has a huge capacity to build raw components like memory chips and display panels. This investment has given Samsung some of the lowest production costs for items like flat-screen televisions, DVD players and cell phones. Efficient production of flat screens is crucial in a market where oversupply last fall led prices to drop by more than a third. Low cost, stylish design and advanced technology are crucial in a world where the number of producers of DVD drives has jumped to more than 20, from seven in 2003.

Samsung was once a back-of-the-store brand with bulky televisions and boom boxes. After the Asian currency crisis, Samsung upgraded its product lines to compete directly with Sony for the premium market, leaving cheaper electronic goods to new companies in China. Afterspending $3 billion a year in advertising, including extensive Olympics sponsorships, Samsung's $12.6 billion brand value now rivals Sony's, according to Interbrand, the brand consultancy.

Samsung is such a leader in flat screens that Sony swallowed its pride last year and joined Samsung in building a huge factory in South Korea. With the price of LCD panels quite volatile, executives of both companies said the deal helped reduce the risk.

Previous coverage:
Samsung's motion-
sensitive phone

Jim Sanduski, the vice president for marketing of Samsung's television group in the United States, said that locking Sony into the deal was better than trying to sell excess panels on the open market.

"We would rather have Sony as a captive customer for 50 percent of the output," he said. "Sony will try to sell the products at a premium price rather than some Chinese brand, say, trying to undercut the market."

Sony, for its part, clung too long to its once-innovative Trinitron picture tube technology, and it paid the price at Christmas. In the last quarter of 2004, Sony's television sales rose 5 percent, but profits plunged 75 percent, year over year. No longer able to command the premium prices associated with proprietary technology, Sony increasingly competes with high-volume, low-cost producers.

"I meet many Sony employees here who are so gloomy," Takeshi Oyabu, an assistant professor of Keio Business School, said in an interview here. "Without me saying anything, they say things like 'I am from Sony, whose reputation is very bad.'"

In the United States, however, Sony's brand reputation is far stronger with consumers than it is in Japan or most of the rest of the world.

"My product may be better today in a blind test, but consumers love S-O-N-Y branded on their TVs," Sanduski said.

Sony followed its flat-screen joint venture in December by signing a cross-licensing agreement with Samsung. Valid until 2008, this deal allows the two companies to share the roughly 20,000 patents they hold between them.

In cell phones, Samsung's clamshell designs, clear displays and strong computing power have emboldened the company to set a worldwide 2005 sales goal of 100 million handsets, 16 percent more than last year's sales. Such an increase in sales could pull Samsung close to the industry's second-largest cell phone producer, Motorola, an American company that sold 104.1 million handsets last year.

While cell phones are Samsung's largest business, Sony has stayed out of mobile phones. But in a time of technology convergence, Sony could lose if increasingly powerful cell phone cameras start cutting into sales of digital cameras.

In South Korea, Samsung unveiled on Wednesday the world's first mobile phone with a powerful 7-megapixel camera. By comparison, many digital cameras feature 3 or 4 megapixels. In an example of technological convergence, this high-end handset, SCH-V770, is Internet-capable and has an MP3 player and a business card reader.

Previous coverage:
Samsung's 82-inch
LCD TV

"The transistor radio, Walkman, Trinitron tube televisions--Sony created products that changed our lifestyle," Mainichi Shimbun newspaper said in an editorial Tuesday. "We hope to see the introduction of new, Sony-like products as soon as possible."

On Tuesday, Stringer met with Japanese reporters and vowed that Sony would be cool again.

But on the Ginza, Japan's main shopping street, cool migrated a few months ago from Sony's showcase building to the five-floor Apple store. On a recent Sunday afternoon, crowds elbowed each other to inspect the latest iPod designs, using computer terminals to book appointments with Apple's sought-after technical advisers.

When Sony was caught flat-footed with a late introduction of an Internet version of its 25-year-old Walkman, its profits from world audio sales fell a cataclysmic 48 percent in the final quarter of last year. Once again, Sony had coasted on an old technology, while competitors invested in new ones.

"Samsung is like the old Sony," said Gilder, who edits the Gilder Technology Report. "Samsung has much of the spirit of Sony 10 years ago."

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I remember reading an article in Wired a few years back where the then president of Sony (Idei?) was talking about how their biggest rival was Samsung. I was like, WHAT? Samsung? you've gotta be kidding me? But over the last few years Sammy has become one of my favorite electronics brand, they make some absolutely awesome stuff. Sony need to step it up a notch, cause other than their PlayStation line they're in trouble. Maybe Stringer will shake the company up for the better.
 
Y'know its funny because if Nintendo was an electronics company, they'd probably be a lot like Samsung -- focus on the bottom line, giving consumers product without the premium on cost, etc.

Still, I personally just don't like the Samsung brand that much. Just had some bad experiences with their products.
 
I remember when I first bought a Samsung product: a 27" TV back in 1995. Back then a Samsung was some kind of off-brand bargain bin fodder (indeed, I was in college at the time and dirt poor, so that was all I could afford). My mother (who is Korean) visited and saw the TV and berated me for buying some cheap Korean shit (yeah, Koreans had no pride in homegrown products then :lol). Samsung's come a long way since then.

The bit in the article about Sony's brand being strong here in the US is spot on. Over the years they've lost the edge in quality they used to have in my eyes, and I'm confounded by why they still inspire so much loyalty among consumers. I've seen blind Sony loyalty in many family members and friends, especially when it comes to things like TVs. They want a Sony and nothing else.
 
PC Gaijin said:
I've seen blind Sony loyalty in many family members and friends, especially when it comes to things like TVs. They want a Sony and nothing else.

Uninformed consumers that simply haven't kept up with the times.

People that clamor for Sony products, and are willing to spend hundreds of dollars extra for them, remind me of those poor souls (usually located in Southern California, or in the education field - regardless of geographic location) that still think Macs are more powerful than PC's when it comes to graphic arts/multimedia stuff. And for those of you that disagree with me, don't bother posting Apple's bullshit Photoshop benchmarks.
 
well samsung is a fantastic company. great mobile devices, great flatscreen displays. cheap prices. stylish designs. you cant go wrong.
 
What we're seeing is the fall of a company mired in bureaucracy, in a country mired in bureaucracy. Sony, as well as many other companies in Japan, are not going to be capable of competing in global markets because Japanese economics doesn't work.
 
soundwave05 said:
Y'know its funny because if Nintendo was an electronics company, they'd probably be a lot like Samsung -- focus on the bottom line, giving consumers product without the premium on cost, etc.

Still, I personally just don't like the Samsung brand that much. Just had some bad experiences with their products.


Out of curiosity, what is the last Samsung product you have bought?

I was the same way in the past with Samsung. But they have converted me over the years by offering stellar products at an affordable price.
 
It's funny that Sony's most successful product is also one of the shoddiest products on the market. Now why would their reputation be taking a hit?
 
Samsung deserves all the praise they are presently getting. I remember back in 98 I had bought my first DVD player and it was a Samsung. It came at a time in which the company was trying desperatly to get real marketshare and they were bending over backwards to make the customers happy and they were doing their best to maintain a level of quality that they weren't usually known for.

Well, that DVD player (although sold to a friend) is still working and my Sony reciever still sounds like shit.

Sony screwed up by selling cheap components in its cheaper equipment. All that did was lead to inconsistency in their electronics and higher failure rates which all lead to the present climate they are mired in now. Perhaps the shake-up will straighten their ass out...
 
The only Samsung product I have is the CPU in the Pocket PC Ipaq 1940 - and it's one of the best damn mobile CPUs there is. Due to it's embedded memory, it's performing better at 266Mhz than most XScale PDAs at 400Mhz. Samsung has really turned around so much it's unbelievable, however, they still don't make the best displays (tube or LCD) which is what I value the most in any company's product line. Sharp and now Sony makes better LCD displays, and good old high end trinitron tube is in many ways still unmatched in picture quality. The comparision in the recent Macintosh based graphics design magazine has still placed a high end Sony tube monitor over Apples LCD cinema display, for serious graphics work. You get what you pay for though, and for many people, it's not worth it.

Sony electronics also makes and sells cellphones in Japan (they actually have a very successful Docomo line called MINI *something*)
 
I still buy a lot of Sony stuff, I'm not blindly loyal to them but I still like their products. That said, I can see when other companies create awesome stuff. My LCS monitor is a Sammy for instance.
 
I remember having a high opinion of Sony when I was a kid, and in middle school my parents bought me a CD Discman that lasted for a long time, though I did have problems with it, I was able to poke it with paper clips and make it work...

just a few years ago, in my Best Buy training my sales manager warned me about not berating ANY products in the store, and he pointed to the computer monitor in the room and said "don't say, this is Samsung, it's pretty crappy". While I didn't think that, I certainly didn't have that great an opinion of them (this was summer '03). Now though, I'm a Samsung fan, after using my discount to get one of their 32 in. HDTV's... also, I just got a 15 in. LCD monitor at a good price.. overall, I see them as a great brand, and where they differ with Sony is that when Sony was the hotshot in the industry, their prices were more than competiting products, whereas Samsung I think really attempts to be competitive with prices... I've also liked Panasonic, though that may have been influenced by the announcement of Matsushita's partnership with Nintendo...
 
Odnetnin said:
DON'T BUY SAMSUNG AND GIVE YOUR MONEY TO COMMUNISTS!

... is south korea communist? :S

North Korea is Communist, South isn't.
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Samsung RAM sucks.
 
All the consumer electronics stuff I buy is Panasonic / Samsung. Currently my surround receiver is Panasonic. The 42" Plasma is Samsung.

Great stuff. The only Sony stuff I've ever owned was Walkman, Minidisc and PlayStation 1/2.
 
I have a 21 inch CRT Television from Samsung that I use for play and it costs to me 199€ and it has more color quality than the Sony Trinitron that my parents have in their home.

And I am sure that the problem with Sony aren´t Samsung and/or Matsushita, the problem is the Chinese market that is growning in an incredible speed.
 
Yeah Samsung has been really great in recent years. Them and LG are companies I favor over most other brands. I still give the edge to Sony when it comes to PC's though. Unless I was going to make it myself or getting an Apple, I'm not going to get anything other than a VAIO.
 
Yep, I have a Samsung 19 inch tv, and a vcr. Their VCR's are the best imo, not only do they have 400x rewind, but it has some type of system of estimating how much tape is left, a feature that most vcr's do not have. Now that I got my PVR from Comcast, I don't use the VCR much anymore, but I'll keep it.
 
Chiggs said:
Uninformed consumers that simply haven't kept up with the times.

People that clamor for Sony products, and are willing to spend hundreds of dollars extra for them, remind me of those poor souls (usually located in Southern California, or in the education field - regardless of geographic location) that still think Macs are more powerful than PC's when it comes to graphic arts/multimedia stuff. And for those of you that disagree with me, don't bother posting Apple's bullshit Photoshop benchmarks.

That may be generally true, but the high-pitch Sony CRTs are SOOOOOO in another category compared to ALL other CRTs. If you're buying a HDTV CRT and want a product that shits all over the others (And can afford the cost), it has no peer that's even close.
 
Samsung have great mobile phones and their electronic stuff is more bang for the buck than the overpriced Sony shit.
 
BlackClouds said:
Yep, I have a Samsung 19 inch tv, and a vcr. Their VCR's are the best imo, not only do they have 400x rewind, but it has some type of system of estimating how much tape is left, a feature that most vcr's do not have. Now that I got my PVR from Comcast, I don't use the VCR much anymore, but I'll keep it.

Alot of VCRS can estimte how much tape is left, even sony ones.
 
I had a bad experience with a Sony MD player (a defect that many users were experiencing) and their customer service basically told me to fuck off. So since that day I vowed never to buy another Sony product again (unless I really have to) and I wished bad voodoo on that company ever since.

I'm also getting a Samsung plasma within the next few months.
 
Samsung and Matsushita should get together with a videogame company
(Nintendo or Sammy-Sega) and create a PS3-killer for Japan. because God knows, as good as Xenon is going to be, it wont do shit in Japan.
 
Odnetnin said:
DON'T BUY SAMSUNG AND GIVE YOUR MONEY TO COMMUNISTS!

... is south korea communist? :S

This guy gets your $$ when you buy Samsung products:
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:D :D
 
Anyone have any experience with the YH-920 20 gig mp3 player? Looks like a nice little package but the only review I can find for it is at CNET and they were a little down on the sound quality
 
Angst said:
This guy gets your $$ when you buy Samsung products:
kim%20jong%20%20il.jpg


:D :D

It's actually true.

North Korea is to get a substantial boost from South Korea after Samsung said it will build semiconductor fabs and other manufacturing plants in the country. According to local newspaper the Korea Herald, Samsung will invest over $1.5 billion in the North Korean economy over the next ten years. The move is partly the result of increased contacts between the two countries, but it is probably linked to investments that its rival Hyundai has already pledged it will make. ®
 
Although Samsung dont make bad products they are far from being what Sony once was.
Sony has lost the plot in the last couple of years but they still make superior products to Samsung both in Quality and Style.
 
CurlySaysX said:
Although Samsung dont make bad products they are far from being what Sony once was.
Sony has lost the plot in the last couple of years but they still make superior products to Samsung both in Quality and Style.

Agreed.
 
Ryoni said:
It's actually true.

North Korea is to get a substantial boost from South Korea after Samsung said it will build semiconductor fabs and other manufacturing plants in the country. According to local newspaper the Korea Herald, Samsung will invest over $1.5 billion in the North Korean economy over the next ten years. The move is partly the result of increased contacts between the two countries, but it is probably linked to investments that its rival Hyundai has already pledged it will make. ®
Looks like your right. North to get a boost from South Korea
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Edit - couldn't stop myself from posting another pic of Kim, he's quite the fellow isn't he? :lol
 
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