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[synchronicity]

The fact that this is a cause for celebration (by some) - that a natural substance, a thing that grows from the earth is now "allowed" to be ingested by (a portion of) government out to tell us all we need to know about the world we live in. The mere idea that regulations by authority could ever prohibit the consumption of not only something natural, but also something incredibly beneficial, speaks to the lack of "freedom" humans possess in this "free" world. We are micromanaged and oppressed in all areas of life, including the use of our own bodies as we see fit. This *normalization* of control is something that is just accepted by most, sadly.

 

[Punished Miku]

The fact that this is a cause for celebration (by some) - that a natural substance, a thing that grows from the earth is now "allowed" to be ingested by (a portion of) government out to tell us all we need to know about the world we live in. The mere idea that regulations by authority could ever prohibit the consumption of not only something natural, but also something incredibly beneficial, speaks to the lack of "freedom" humans possess in this "free" world. We are micromanaged and oppressed in all areas of life, including the use of our own bodies as we see fit. This *normalization* of control is something that is just accepted by most, sadly.

Murder is the most natural thing there is. One day I pray we achieve true freedom.

 

[NickFire]

I would have loved this news when I was 17. That alone tells me this is probably a bad idea.

 

[synchronicity]

Murder is the most natural thing there is. One day I pray we achieve true freedom.

Murder is fine when the government does it though, isn't it.

 

[Punished Miku]

Murder is fine when the government does it though, isn't it.

Yeah, that's how society works. You forfeit your right to that in exchange for protection under an agreed set of rules and laws. You'd love reading some of the classics from the 1700s or so. They lay it all out.

It's an improvement from anarchy that people willingly accept.

 

[synchronicity]

Yeah, that's how society works. You forfeit your right to that in exchange for protection under an agreed set of rules and laws. You'd love reading some of the classics from the 1700s or so. They lay it all out.

It's an improvement from anarchy that people willingly accept.

That's what the powers that be count on. We'll *protect* you in exchange for your freedom. "Don't worry. We know what's best. Just go to work, watch your tv (propaganda and advertising), buy your useless shit, pay your taxes, stay in your lane and shut the fuck up."

Meanwhile, the haves (powers that be) siphon endlessly from have nots as this system of "safety" churns on.

We're so protected by this benevolent rule. /s

 

[IDKFA]

I did magic mushrooms once.

For some reason, I did them in a supposedly haunted forest in Wiltshire with a few people I didn't trust.

I really just remember crawling around a dark forest screaming into the night like a feral beast. I also remember have a screaming match with a fox that sounded like a demonic Arnold Schwarzenegger, but I don't know if that that was real or not.

Good times. I absolutely think more people should have experiences like that.

 

[Punished Miku]

That's what the powers that be count on. We'll *protect* you in exchange for your freedom. "Don't worry. We know what's best. Just go to work, watch your tv (propaganda and advertising), buy your useless shit, pay your taxes, stay in your lane and shut the fuck up."

Meanwhile, the haves (powers that be) siphon endlessly from have nots as this system of "safety" churns on.

We're so protected by this benevolent rule. /s

I'm okay living in a democracy with laws. Sorry but most agree with me.

 

[synchronicity]

I'm okay living in a democracy with laws. Sorry but most agree with me.

Many value comfort over liberty.

And if you think we live in a true democracy, well, we all see what we want.

 

[Elder Legend]

This will help people eat the poop they see on the street.

But did you know that the California government knew that the homeless in San Fransisco didn't know that they been eating poop all this time since there is nothing else to eat for them in the first place? I knew, but I bet you didn't and I am pretty sure that tommib knew but I am 100% positive that kanjobazooie didn't know because his too busy with inspecting mice balls.

 

[Punished Miku]

Many value comfort over liberty.

And if you think we live in a true democracy, well, we all see what we want.

I didnt say anything of the sort. Its obviously imperfect in many ways.

And yeah comfort is better than anarchy. Its a balance. Having a functioning and safe society is kinda nice.

 

[synchronicity]

I didnt say anything of the sort. Its obviously imperfect in many ways.

And yeah comfort is better than anarchy. Its a balance. Having a functioning and safe society is kinda nice.

 

[kanjobazooie]

But did you know that the California government knew that the homeless in San Fransisco didn't know that they been eating poop all this time since there is nothing else to eat for them in the first place? I knew, but I bet you didn't and I am pretty sure that tommib knew but I am 100% positive that kanjobazooie didn't know because his too busy with inspecting mice balls.

 

[DevilHunterX0]

Florida man may have a new challenger now.

 

[Punished Miku]

I'll drop it but you should make an argument about society as a whole instead of trying to imply people are sheep. Society organizing with laws in exchange for security is the natural evolution of every society on the planet. You can't even advance technologically until things are secured enough that people are allowed to specialize. You can't have a microbiologist or a modern chemist if they're required to carry a gun to protect themselves, grow their own food and run their freedom farm. You can't even advance past 1700s era farms, or the wild west if people can't count on a basic set of agreed upon laws.

And all laws really are, is telling everyone in advance what people will kill you for. Societies start in anarchy. When they see someone stealing and being a murderer, eventually people get sick of them and kill them. A law against theft and murder, enforced by the state is just the formalized evolution of what people figured out hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Libertarianism is a junior high school level fantasy. It can barely even make arguments past the individual, let alone towns, cities, states, nations, or international global systems. Just call people sheep like you're some higher being.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

I just think this is the wrong time and place to introduce this policy. They are already dealing with a homeless crisis, used needle litter, human feces on the streets, rat infestations, and a drug overdose crisis.

Asking local volunteers to deal with this on top of what's already going on is not a recipe for success. Its unfair to those who are doing their best in this horribe situation.

 

[synchronicity]

I'll drop it but you should make an argument about society as a whole instead of trying to imply people are sheep. Society organizing with laws in exchange for security is the natural evolution of every society on the planet. You can't even advance technologically until things are secured enough that people are allowed to specialize. You can't have a microbiologist or a modern chemist if they're required to carry a gun to protect themselves, grow their own food and run their freedom farm. You can't even advance past 1700s era farms, or the wild west if people can't count on a basic set of agreed upon laws.

And all laws really are, is telling everyone in advance what people will kill you for. Societies start in anarchy. When they see someone stealing and being a murderer, eventually people get sick of them and kill them. A law against theft and murder, enforced by the state is just the formalized evolution of what people figured out hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Libertarianism is a junior high school level fantasy. It can barely even make arguments past the individual, let alone towns, cities, states, nations, or international global systems. Just call people sheep like you're some higher being.

You're talking about theft and murder, when this topic is about mushrooms. This:

They grow in the wild in a natural state. The idea that any government should have authority in terms of regulating the usage of something you could conceivably walk outside and collect on a short nature walk is absurd. My point is that government has run amok in terms of overreach. Have you seen the sheer number of laws and regulations on the books, both federal and local? The idea of law has gone beyond any notion of morality and went all the way over the cliff into unjust control.

 

[Punished Miku]

You're talking about theft and murder, when this topic is about mushrooms. This:

They grow in the wild in a natural state. The idea that any government should have authority in terms of regulating the usage of something you could conceivably walk outside and collect on a short nature walk is absurd. My point is that government has run amok in terms of overreach. Have you seen the sheer number of laws and regulations on the books, both federal and local? The idea of law has gone beyond any notion of morality and went all the way over the cliff into unjust control.

Laws can be unjust for sure, and I don't think jail is the right answer for this particular debate either.

But if people do start doing hardcore psychedelics anywhere but at home, that's going to be a problem honestly. People will literally not know the difference between walking on the sidewalk or walking in the middle of traffic. People are definitely going to die as the result of it if they don't use it responsibly. It's a question of how much of that everyone else is going to tolerate before they think its not worth it and make a law.

If people are smart about it and use responsibly there shouldn't be a huge issue, but yeah ... we'll see. Not my call. I don't live there lol.

 

[Crayon]

I did magic mushrooms once.

For some reason, I did them in a supposedly haunted forest in Wiltshire with a few people I didn't trust.

I really just remember crawling around a dark forest screaming into the night like a feral beast. I also remember have a screaming match with a fox that sounded like a demonic Arnold Schwarzenegger, but I don't know if that that was real or not.

Good times. I absolutely think more people should have experiences like that.

^^^ looool I appreciate all the responsible use advice people are giving around here, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have some great memories around some situations more like this.

 

[synchronicity]

Laws can be unjust for sure, and I don't think jail is the right answer for this particular debate either.

But if people do start doing hardcore psychedelics anywhere but at home, that's going to be a problem honestly. People will literally not know the difference between walking on the sidewalk or walking in the middle of traffic. People are definitely going to die as the result of it if they don't use it responsibly. It's a question of how much of that everyone else is going to tolerate before they think its not worth it and make a law.

If people are smart about it and use responsibly there shouldn't be a huge issue, but yeah ... we'll see. Not my call. I don't live there lol.

People can react differently to different substances, certainly. But your example is a huge stretch for most.

To frame things differently, why don't we examine the deleterious effects of prescription medications - *legal* drugs. So much harm comes via legal pharmaceuticals, *far* more than would ever be seen with unrestricted use of mushrooms. (not to mention all the benefits that would come in most cases) Why aren't these substances regulated more strictly? Hmm, oh yeah, they make MONEY, and the laws that permit their liberal use are backed by those who profit from their distribution.

 

[Punished Miku]

People can react differently to different substances, certainly. But your example is a huge stretch for most.

To frame things differently, why don't we examine the deleterious effects of prescription medications - *legal* drugs. So much harm comes via legal pharmaceuticals, *far* more than would ever be seen with unrestricted use of mushrooms. (not to mention all the benefits that would come in most cases) Why aren't these substances regulated more strictly. Hmm, oh yeah, they make MONEY, and the laws that permit their liberal use are backed by those who profit from their distribution.

I'm not usually a scaremonger about stuff like this, but I got a bad feeling. I'm not one of those people that exaggerates it like you have visions and just see cartoons running around, but absolutely people will not know what is going on, will not be equipped for basic things like walking home, driving a car at all, even standing next to a subway car as it pulls up. I will stand corrected if I'm wrong but I think a lot of idiots will find out the hard way. In the 90s you grew up with stories about those idiots who "think they can fly" and jump out windows and kill themselves and we all all laughed at how dumb it was, but most people with a brain used caution with this stuff.

 

[synchronicity]

I'm not usually a scaremonger about stuff like this, but I got a bad feeling. I'm not one of those people that exaggerates it like you have visions and just see cartoons running around, but absolutely people will not know what is going on, will not be equipped for basic things like walking home, driving a car at all, even standing next to a subway car as it pulls up. I will stand corrected if I'm wrong but I think a lot of idiots will find out the hard way. In the 90s you grew up with stories about those idiots who "think they can fly" and jump out windows and kill themselves and we all all laughed at how dumb it was, but most people with a brain used caution with this stuff.

I don't think you've ever used mushrooms, or if you have, you have different reactions than the vast majority.

 

[tommib]

But did you know that the California government knew that the homeless in San Fransisco didn't know that they been eating poop all this time since there is nothing else to eat for them in the first place? I knew, but I bet you didn't and I am pretty sure that tommib knew but I am 100% positive that kanjobazooie didn't know because his too busy with inspecting mice balls.

 

[Punished Miku]

I don't think you've ever used mushrooms, or if you have, you have different reactions than the vast majority.

I wasn't talking about just mushrooms, and yeah I have many, many times. And I've seen how a dozen people react to it.

 

[synchronicity]

I wasn't talking about just mushrooms, and yeah I have many, many times. And I've seen how a dozen people react to it.

Well I'm just referring to mushrooms, and while there are those who react unpredictably, they're in the minority in my experience. I'm not suggesting that everyone should use them, far from it. I am saying that their predominant legal status is unwarranted, especially in juxtaposition to the number of inarguably harmful substances that are not only legal, but are often prescribed by your white-coat wearing, federally approved drug pushers.

 

[Punished Miku]

Well I'm just referring to mushrooms, and while there are those who react unpredictably, they're in the minority in my experience. I'm not suggesting that everyone should use them, far from it. I am saying that their predominant legal status is unwarranted, especially in juxtaposition to the number of inarguably harmful substances that are not only legal, but are often prescribed by your white-coat wearing, federally approved drug pushers.

If it works out I'll be happy. Worth a shot I guess.

 

[lukilladog]

I'm okay living in a democracy with laws. Sorry but most agree with me.

"Neither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm — even when they know the harm will occur," said Darren L. Hutchinson, a professor and associate dean at the University of Florida School of Law. "Police can watch someone attack you, refuse to intervene and not violate the Constitution."

The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the government has only a duty to protect persons who are "in custody"…" [Emphasis] – Mises Institute

https://ehlinelaw.com/blog/do-police-have-a-duty-to-protect-me

 

[EverydayBeast]

People want to see more decriminalized drugs to give people therapy through magic mushrooms
https://www.ebay.com/itm/292948896728

 

[Crayon]

Maybe for some perspective, salvia has been perfectly legal (at least in ca) for a long time and it's no problem. Salvia is more intense and mmre accesible thanks to peaking and rolling back over the course of a few mimnutes.

Psychedelics are not at all a high in the traditional sense. Most people don't seek them out for the same reasons they would seek out alchohol or cocaine. Things would be different if people were being encouraged to do lsd or whatever, but this is simply keeping from throwing the few that use them in jail with real criminals.

 

[synchronicity]

Psychedelics are not at all a high in the traditional sense. Most people don't seek them out for the same reasons they would seek out alchohol or cocaine.

I think far more people seek out mushrooms for spiritual purposes than what people think of as conventional "drug users". It's not a "high" that many seek in the world of fungi, but an opening of perception that isn't always available in the normal waking state. In this state, the ridiculousness of ego is apparent, and a sense of oneness can be found that can have a real transformative effect on many.

Personally, I think the establishment would hate to see wide-spread use of mushrooms because it would cause so many to get off the materialistic consumer treadmill...in other words, profits and earning would suffer and the balance sheets wouldn't be so pretty when people see the hollowness of endless consumption as well as pointless "contributions" towards society.

 

[G-Bus]

Not sure we're that far behind in Canada, more specifically British Columbia.

Few stores downtown you can walk into and buy mushrooms. It's kind of weird that it's still considered illegal and yet these stores operate openly.

About time anyway. Good stuff sa Francisco

 

[Crayon]

I think far more people seek out mushrooms for spiritual purposes than what people think of as conventional "drug users". It's not a "high" that many seek in the world of fungi, but an opening of perception that isn't always available in the normal waking state. In this state, the ridiculousness of ego is apparent, and a sense of oneness can be found that can have a real transformative effect on many.

Personally, I think the establishment would hate to see wide-spread use of mushrooms because it would cause so many to get off the materialistic consumer treadmill...in other words, profits and earning would suffer and the balance sheets wouldn't be so pretty when people see the hollowness of endless consumption as well as pointless "contributions" towards society.

Oh it's an edible reality check for sure. I don't think it would be popular enough to rattle any establishment tho. Well, maybe. It doesn't take that many people to effect culture.

 

[Sub_Level]

I just think this is the wrong time and place to introduce this policy. They are already dealing with a homeless crisis, used needle litter, human feces on the streets, rat infestations, and a drug overdose crisis.

Asking local volunteers to deal with this on top of what's already going on is not a recipe for success. Its unfair to those who are doing their best in this horribe situation.

Yeah. I actually 100% agree with the policy, and even support full legalization of hallucinogenic drugs. But San Francisco is one of the last places on the planet that needs even more drug use.

 

[Stinkbug]

That's good. As i understand it, this doesn't legalize psychedelics, it just means people arrested for them will face lighter penalties. Should be no penalties but this is a good step.

 

[Winter John]

Last time I took shrooms was a couple of months back. We went for a little walk then decided to go over to a bar. The 3 of us sat down and had a real nuanced, in-depth discussion about who was going to get the drinks in. I didn't think I could handle the trek. Kath wanted something like orange juice but not orange juice. Then out of nowhere Jim said he wanted some ice cream which sounded like the greatest thing ever. So we went down to a store, paid some very confused kid to go in and buy us 5 tubs of the good stuff then sat in the park for a couple of hours. That was a good time.

 

[Walter Matthau]