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ShadowRed

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Anyone been following this case? I just heard about it a couple minutes ago while I was surfing another board. It reminds me of the movie with Clare Danes and some other chick. Admittedly I know next to nothing about this case but I find the reaction of the Aussies and otherwise white people, laughable. Basically it come down to the Indonesians are all corrupt and don't know what justice is, and the drug smugglers set this poor innocent white chick up. Had this been a black or otherwise minority found with drugs in any white society then these people would be holding the exact opposite opinion of the situation. Also like drug smugglers are in the business of setting up people for shits and grins, please. Anyhow what's everyone else’s take on this case?




SYDNEY (AFP) - Australian newspapers defended the integrity of the Indonesian justice system but said it had failed to show mercy to Schapelle Corby, the young Australian sentenced to 20 years for smuggling cannabis into the resort island of Bali.


"Nation's fury" Sydney's Daily Telegraph declared on its front page, comparing Corby's sentence with that given to Muslim cleric Abu Bakir Bashir for his role in planning the 2002 Bali bombing.

"This terrorist planned the murder of 88 Australians and got two years. Yesterday Schapelle Corby got 20," the tabloid said.

The Australian newspaper said "Judges show Corby no mercy" while the Sydney Morning Herald focused on the prosecutors' determination to appeal for a heavier sentence.

The Herald's website and Channel Nine's ninemsn portal both reported record numbers of hits as Australians logged on to find out the verdict of the case that has transfixed the country for more than six months.

The Herald said the Corby trial had stopped the nation, with workers crowding around office television sets to watch the court's verdict on the charges against the 27-year-old beauty therapist.

The Telegraph said it had been inundated with emails expressing fury and frustration at the sentence.

"This is outrageous. I will never visit Bali. Their justice system is a joke," wrote Jesse from Sydney.

Sharni Potter told the newspaper: "I just keep thinking this could have been me or someone close to me."

But there was also support for the Indonesian judges.

"Thank the Lord, justice has prevailed," John Sullivan wrote. "If those drugs had made it into Bali, it would have been our kids getting poisoned. One more drug trafficker off the streets."

Newspaper editorials said Australians had no choice but to accept the verdict.

The Telegraph said it could not vouch for Corby's innocence but it felt the sentence was "an abomination" particularly in light of the Bashir case.

The Herald said the court's finding was inevitable, given the evidence against Corby and her defence team's failure to provide a creditable explanation for the marijuana found in her baggage last October.

"It is utterly dismaying that some of Corby's supporters resorted to blatantly racist slurs, discrediting the verdict in advance by demeaning the judges on racial grounds and, in some cases, vilifying all Indonesians," it said.

The Australian said the public anger at the conviction of the "all-Australian girl" was understandable but Corby's offences had been carried out in Indonesia and she was duly tried by an Indonesian court.

"What we think does not matter a hill of beans, Indonesia is a foreign country where they do things differently, just as they choose" it said.
 

Monk

Banned
I just want to point out that the bali bomber got only two years while this person got 20 years.
 
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Deleted member 1235

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yeah I was waiting for the verdict

http://forums.gaming-age.com/showthread.php?t=49375

she got fucked over....

did the bali bomber actually only get 3 years or was that the supposed "mastermind" behind it? I though the guy that acutally planted it that people called the "smiling bomber" who was always laughing in court got the death penalty or life.

Anyway that guy that got 3 years spends his time taunting schapelle and calling her a whore etc from the cell next door. Aussie should just do a trade and then set her free when she gets to AU soil. That judge has watched over something in the vicinity of 500 cases and NEVER let a single person off. Everybody was found guilty. One of the major bits of evidence was some customs guy who didn't speak english apparently said to Schappele "is this yours" and she said yes. He was refering to the drugs and she was referring to the bag most likely.

Anyone that knowingly had drugs in a bodyboard bag probably wouldn't say "yeah thats mine" when asked by customs.
 
I guess it's only us Kiwis and Aussies that care about her. Poor thing.

The Bali bombings didn't really affect the USA since so few of their citizens died, but for us in Australasia it was worse than 9/11.

So that's why it makes most of us sick that for taking in marijuana (which is legal in many developed countries (aka non-fucked up, non-backward places, unlike Indonesia)) she gets a 20-year sentence, and yet mass murderers get away with less.

If I were John Howard, I would've cut off all aid instantly, all diplomatic ties with the country etc. etc., and watched them drive themselves into the ground within two years.

All of a sudden Tomorrow When the War Began seems very likely. TO THE BUSH!!
 
Oh and, nice work Indonesia; you've just halved your tourist numbers from Australia/New Zealand.

Let's hope there's a stronger travel warning against Indonesia in the next short while. Crank it up to 'NO TRAVEL ALLOWED UNLESS FOR URGENT BUSINESS' and watch their economy crumple.
 

ShadowRed

Banned
*shakes head*


WTF are you people's problem? She smuggled drugs into a country and got busted. If she didn't want to get 20 years for it she should have smuggled them into America or Norway. She broke the freaking law and she knew she was doing it so why should I feel sorry for her. Sure it's fucked up that a guy who's a mass murder got 3 years and she's looking at 20, but I don't recall you people bitching about the guy getting 3 years till she got her ass popped. Can I go to Australia commit a crime and when get a harsher penalty than I would have in America bitch and moan and scream about corruption and you people being savages?
 
Don't want to get fucked, then its simple: Don't smuggle drugs around to other countries. Its a fucked up story, but im not gonna feel sorry for her dumbass.
 
No, because Australia's laws are realistic and proportionate to each other.

And dude, don't be so quick to judge that she's guilty. Do you know the facts?

Australian Federal Police arrested a baggage handler at the same airport Shappelle was going through, as part of a huge operation that involved the baggage handler putting drugs in people's bags and then someone would take them out on the other end.

I believe she's innocent (the drugs are worth something like $2,000 in Aussie but like $10 in Indonesia, why the fuck would you just destroy the value of it like that?); whether or not this is the case, 20 years is ridiculous.

I wonder if the Australian Army could take on the prison guards and get her out. If only I were Prime Minister for a week.
 

Monk

Banned
ShadowRed said:
*shakes head*


WTF are you people's problem? She smuggled drugs into a country and got busted. If she didn't want to get 20 years for it she should have smuggled them into America or Norway. She broke the freaking law and she knew she was doing it so why should I feel sorry for her. Sure it's fucked up that a guy who's a mass murder got 3 years and she's looking at 20, but I don't recall you people bitching about the guy getting 3 years till she got her ass popped. Can I go to Australia commit a crime and when get a harsher penalty than I would have in America bitch and moan and scream about corruption and you people being savages?


The answer is "yes", but it is impossible. Australia's laws are much more lenient than America's.
 

ShadowRed

Banned
Ninja Scooter said:
Don't want to get fucked, then its simple: Don't smuggle drugs around to other countries. Its a fucked up story, but im not gonna feel sorry for her dumbass.




Right fucking on dude. This is exactly what they tell black people when they get fucked over by a screwed up law. White chick screws up and the entire freaking world has to freaking stop. Lets for get all those Iraqis and Afghanastanis that are sitting in Cube without a lawyer or a trial
 
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ShadowRed said:
*shakes head*


WTF are you people's problem? She smuggled drugs into a country and got busted. If she didn't want to get 20 years for it she should have smuggled them into America or Norway. She broke the freaking law and she knew she was doing it so why should I feel sorry for her. Sure it's fucked up that a guy who's a mass murder got 3 years and she's looking at 20, but I don't recall you people bitching about the guy getting 3 years till she got her ass popped. Can I go to Australia commit a crime and when get a harsher penalty than I would have in America bitch and moan and scream about corruption and you people being savages?

what? you don't recall anybody bitching about the bali bomber getting 3 years?

The fucking problem is it's blatantly obvious she got the setup and then got jailed because an incompetent public defender couldn't build a suitable defense against a judge who has presided (sp?) over 500 cases and never LET A SINGLE PERSON OFF. EVER.

The problem that "us people" have is that the legal system over there is not "innocent until proven guilty" it's the other way around. you must prove your innocence or it's jail for you. Fuck Bali. Ticket sales -1 ever.

They actually wanted to shoot her for weed. ITS WEED. and the second she got 20 years, the prosecution immediately said they are lodging an appeal to make it life. They are fuckwits plain and simple, everybody knew it after that bali bomber got three years, this proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt. You fucking fly there if you think its great.

EDIT: and shadowred, have a look and see how many aussies/kiwis feel sorry for the 9 other people that had a drug ring going and tried to smuggle shit into that country. Not many, the reason people are pissed about this case is it's clearly bullshit. It does not add up. Weed isn't even hard to score in Bali. This does not make sense whatsoever.
 
You tell 'em catfish.

Oh and stop playing the fucking race card you pansies. If she were a black Australian chic we would all still be planning ways to bring Indonesia to its knees.

Some good news though, John Howard is sending over Aussie's two best crown lawyers to help in the appeal, all free of charge. Kick some ass!
 

DaMan121

Member
ShadowRed said:
*shakes head*


WTF are you people's problem? She smuggled drugs into a country and got busted. If she didn't want to get 20 years for it she should have smuggled them into America or Norway. She broke the freaking law and she knew she was doing it so why should I feel sorry for her. Sure it's fucked up that a guy who's a mass murder got 3 years and she's looking at 20, but I don't recall you people bitching about the guy getting 3 years till she got her ass popped. Can I go to Australia commit a crime and when get a harsher penalty than I would have in America bitch and moan and scream about corruption and you people being savages?

Actually its not that simple. Add to the story:
* There has been numerous people caught working as baggage handlers that have been busted for planting drugs at Sydney and other airports. If people knew how vulnerable their luggage was they would have a heart attack. PS Forget about sealing, you think they cant re-seal it again?
* The court was a joke. Western superiority aside, the process is severely flaud.
* Rotting for life (if shes lucky, life expectancy in those prisons is 10 years) for 4kgs of marijuana is fucked up, especially since it wasnt detected on our side.

I guess empathy is too much to ask for from GAFers for a real life ruined, too busy debating what happened to Lohan's breasts.
 
catfish said:
EDIT: and shadowred, have a look and see how many aussies/kiwis feel sorry for the 9 other people that had a drug ring going and tried to smuggle shit into that country. Not many, the reason people are pissed about this case is it's clearly bullshit. It does not add up. Weed isn't even hard to score in Bali. This does not make sense whatsoever.

Exactly. The 'Bali nine' are forgotten about, because they all had huge bags of heroin strapped to their bodies and obviously knew the bags were there. They'll get the death penalty and rightfully so; they were all involved with gangs and a huge drug ring.
 

DaMan121

Member
Freestyler said:
Exactly. The 'Bali nine' are forgotten about, because they all had huge bags of heroin strapped to their bodies and obviously knew the bags were there. They'll get the death penalty and rightfully so; they were all involved with gangs and a huge drug ring.

And the fact the Indonesian government were tipped off by Australian police (they were tracking the guys for awhile). Fuck, even those guys dont deserve life for IPU's sake. The fact is that they smuggle this shit in to sell to tourists anyway.
 

Monk

Banned
I knew one of the bali 9. Damn fucker, his family are getting their shit teased out of them. And the rest of his family are nice too.

EDIT: it was the thug like curry named "maiyuran", more like "My urine" LOLAMIRITE?
 
Well there's not gonna be much of a business in selling to tourists anymore :lol

I'd say their customer base has just been slashed quite nicely.
 
Monk said:
I knew one of the bali 9. Damn fucker, his family are getting their shit teased out of them. And the rest of his family are nice too.

Sorry to hear man, hope you weren't close. It is scary how he was told his family would be killed if he didn't smuggle (well so they all say).

The ringleader of that operation looks like one scary mofo, he's been seperated from the rest of them because he kept threatening their families all the time.
 

pjberri

Crotchety Old Man
ShadowRed said:
Right fucking on dude. This is exactly what they tell black people when they get fucked over by a screwed up law. White chick screws up and the entire freaking world has to freaking stop. Lets for get all those Iraqis and Afghanastanis that are sitting in Cube without a lawyer or a trial
:lol What the fuck is wrong with you, dude.
 

pjberri

Crotchety Old Man
ShadowRed said:
Care to explain what in that post makes you think there is something wrong with me?
Firstly, because you're so adamant on her needing to be prosecuted FOR 20 YEARS in a case where nobody knows if she did it or not. Can you imagine sitting in a cell in Bali for 20 years?

Secondly, because for some reason unknown to the rest of us, you have tried to make this about race. Ugh, WTF?
 

ShadowRed

Banned
pjberri said:
Firstly, because you're so adamant on her needing to be prosecuted FOR 20 YEARS in a case where nobody knows if she did it or not. Can you imagine sitting in a cell in Bali for 20 years?

Secondly, because for some reason unknown to the rest of us, you have tried to make this about race. Ugh, WTF?




No I never said I agreed with the 20 years part. I think it sucks, but if that's the law in that country then so be it. Again can I go to another country, commit a crime then when I'm sentenced to a longer period in jail than I would have gotten if I committed the same crime in America, bitch about that country being corrupt and or savages, and make quasi racist comments about the country?




Freestyler said:
It's the same old story; when in doubt, play the race card. Here's betting he's not even black.



1000 says I am.
 

pjberri

Crotchety Old Man
ShadowRed said:
No I never said I agreed with the 20 years part. I think it sucks, but if that's the law in that country then so be it. Again can I go to another country, commit a crime then when I'm sentenced to a longer period in jail than I would have gotten if I committed the same crime in America, bitch about that country being corrupt and or savages, and make quasi racist comments about the country?
This is all assuming she did it, which noone, bar her, really knows. So far, everything points to her not having done it.

Oh, and the country IS corrupt. Not to mention the fact that they have drug dealers on every corner dealing in much harder drugs than marijuana.
 
Good on you then. But you should really stop the whole "waaah waaah I'm black" race card tactic, because all it does is make you look like a knob.

Do you have another case exactly like this, with a black female from Australia getting put in a Bali jail for 20 years for marijuana, that us whities can look at and say "HAHA! You're black, you deserve it!"?

(Since I'm sure 99% of us racist whities would)
 
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yeah the race card pulling is about the weakest race card pull I've ever seen.

Weren't there a shitload of whities in the 9 that got done over as well? OH NO FREE THE WHITE PEOPLE.

Schappelle Corbys case stinks of her getting screwed over by a baggage handler. Why would someone ever ever think they were going to get away with just putting 4.1 kilos of weed in their body board bag. think about it, it's against all logic, it wasn't even locked. To add to this, with the amount of attention this thing has gotten, if she really did it, some dodgy shit about her past would have arisen by now as well. Anyone that was going to try that has most likely tried to pull some shit before.

bitch about that country being corrupt and or savages, and make quasi racist comments about the country?

stupidity isn't a race last I checked.
 

Vormund

Member
Freestyler said:
Exactly. The 'Bali nine' are forgotten about, because they all had huge bags of heroin strapped to their bodies and obviously knew the bags were there. They'll get the death penalty and rightfully so; they were all involved with gangs and a huge drug ring.

Nobody feels sorry for them here.
Seriously though, I know they had this planned in advance, but after seeing what happened to Schapelle, I'd be so shit scared.
 

-=DoAvl=-

Member
I think australia should've cut diplomatic ties with the indonesian GOVERNMENT years ago. Anyone remember EAST TIMOR?!?!

I don't mind the actual indonesian people though, they're cool and speak with a funny accent. I remember back in first year uni...

indo dude: "oh, what nationality are you?"
me: "chinese timorese"
indo dude: "oh,.... sorry."
 
Could someone bother to lay out the facts of this case ?

The way I see it is as follows
1) Miss Corby is arrested in an Indonesian airport after 4.1kg of weed.
2) She was tried and found guilty of drug smuggling.
3) People are saying the drugs were planted as there have been numerous cases of baggage handlers planting drugs.

Is this accurate ?
Anyhoo, the points I wish to address are as follows:
Countries which have draconian laws, often have said laws for a reason (coming from one of such hell-holes myself) so I am guessing drug smuggling was/is a major problem in the country.
Second I do beleive the Bali bomber was executed, the "mastermind" suspected to be behind the bombings by the media was never tried on that caount as far as I can tell, he was tried on the counts of attempting to overthrow the government and treason. He was acquitted of the former and convicted of lesser treasonable offences hence the four year jail term.

@freestyler: Well thank goodness your not PM or we would all be dead. <superman music>There is only one country in the world who can disregard anothers sovreignty and still get away with it in times like these you need .................. AMERICA!!!!!!!!!111!!!11111!!1 </superman music>
 

seanoff

Member
i'm inclined to believe her because i've had a bag interfered with.

flying from Bangkok to Penang a soft side suitcase had a very L shaped clean cut in it. Saw it on the caruosel and went to maylasian customs, explained what had happened and that i wasn't going to pick up that bag even tho it was ours.

They interviewed us, basically where we had come from etc, said it certainly looked suss, gave us a new bag and gave us a new one and off we went. They seemed to know something was happening and wanted the bag as evidence.

And those other nine, as far as i know they are getting no, nil, zero sympathy here because they do not deserve it and 12 baggage handlers wer caught smuggling at Sydney.
 

Pellham

Banned
couldn't they have like, you know, checked the marijuana bag for fingerprints? dna evidence? have they even done that? it's not that hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt whether the drugs are hers or not.
 

Polari

Member
Freestyler said:
No, because Australia's laws are realistic and proportionate to each other.

And dude, don't be so quick to judge that she's guilty. Do you know the facts?

Australian Federal Police arrested a baggage handler at the same airport Shappelle was going through, as part of a huge operation that involved the baggage handler putting drugs in people's bags and then someone would take them out on the other end.

I believe she's innocent (the drugs are worth something like $2,000 in Aussie but like $10 in Indonesia, why the fuck would you just destroy the value of it like that?); whether or not this is the case, 20 years is ridiculous.

I wonder if the Australian Army could take on the prison guards and get her out. If only I were Prime Minister for a week.

You're wrong. She had 4.2KG of weed. 4.2KG. And it's worth 3x as much in Indonesia as it is in Australia.
 

Fatghost

Gas Guzzler
On the one hand, Indonesia truly IS a backwards country.

On the other hand, drugs are bad. So I guess I'm on the fence here.
 

Vormund

Member
Pellham said:
couldn't they have like, you know, checked the marijuana bag for fingerprints? dna evidence? have they even done that? it's not that hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt whether the drugs are hers or not.

Yeah that's part of the problem. They didn't bother to check it for fingerprints/dna. They didn't even bother listening to the defence's witnesses (some who have known about the drug smuggling operation)
 

LusDekkar

Member
Vormund said:
Yeah that's part of the problem. They didn't bother to check it for fingerprints/dna. They didn't even bother listening to the defence's witnesses (some who have known about the drug smuggling operation)

Which is one of the main reasons that australians are outraged. They didn't even have the proper evidence. I mean serously not checking for finger prints? A case like that wouldn't stand up in the courts over here.

Anyways I just heard on the news (Ch10 and no i cbf actually checking up on the facts) before that on the same day that Corby was sentenced, two murderers were given 10 years jail. I'm sorry, but WTF is up with that? I think they're saying that it's less of a crime to kill someone than it is to get abit high.
 
Pellham said:
couldn't they have like, you know, checked the marijuana bag for fingerprints? dna evidence? have they even done that? it's not that hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt whether the drugs are hers or not.

Dude, the country barely has electricity; I doubt that their Police forensics team even knows what DNA is.
 

Crow

Member
Not sure this is what is going down but it seems to me quite possible.

- Indonesian Police screw up by not taking prints
- Case looks bad for Corby, letting her off would create a exploitable hole in legal system
- Guilty verdict will be undiplomatic considering the aide from Australia when the Tsunami hit
- Judge DOES NOT give Corby the death penalty meaning she can Appeal
- Judge DOES NOT allow Corbys witness to give evidence allowing them to be used in Appeal
- Corby gets considerably lessened sentence and lodges appeal
- Higher court can take more diplomatic stance with Corby and evidence can be used
- Corby FREE
- lower court has not loop hole and Indonesian government saves face
- Corby makes millions on books, TV mini-series and Public appearances.

I've been told in the Indonesian courts, evidence from lower case is reviewed and the defendent can add additional evidence not previously viewed.

I could be just a little too optomistic in my theory.
 

mashoutposse

Ante Up
Crow said:
Not sure this is what is going down but it seems to me quite possible.

- Indonesian Police screw up by not taking prints
- Case looks bad for Corby, letting her off would create a exploitable hole in legal system
- Guilty verdict will be undiplomatic considering the aide from Australia when the Tsunami hit
- Judge DOES NOT give Corby the death penalty meaning she can Appeal
- Judge DOES NOT allow Corbys witness to give evidence allowing them to be used in Appeal
- Corby gets considerably lessened sentence and lodges appeal
- Higher court can take more diplomatic stance with Corby and evidence can be used
- Corby FREE
- lower court has not loop hole and Indonesian government saves face
- Corby makes millions on books, TV mini-series and Public appearances.

I've been told in the Indonesian courts, evidence from lower case is reviewed and the defendent can add additional evidence not previously viewed.

I could be just a little too optomistic in my theory.

Probably accurate
 
Freestyler said:
You tell 'em catfish.

Oh and stop playing the fucking race card you pansies. If she were a black Australian chic we would all still be planning ways to bring Indonesia to its knees.

Some good news though, John Howard is sending over Aussie's two best crown lawyers to help in the appeal, all free of charge. Kick some ass!


But you have to admit she is one hot white chick. In truth the case has been just a kangaroo court of epic proprotions.
 

Pellham

Banned
Dude, the country barely has electricity; I doubt that their Police forensics team even knows what DNA is.

Then Australia can send some people there to do some real investigation. And if those idiots in Indonesia won't allow it, they should send a crack team of commandos there to free her. :p
 

Scrow

Still Tagged Accordingly
Pellham said:
Then Australia can send some people there to do some real investigation. And if those idiots in Indonesia won't allow it, they should send a crack team of commandos there to free her. :p
there were talks of the australian government providing QCs for the appeal

edit: just saw freestyler's post :|
 

-=DoAvl=-

Member
Tommie Hu$tle said:
But you have to admit she is one hot white chick. In truth the case has been just a kangaroo court of epic proprotions.


I think Derrin Hinch thinks she's hot, and made some comments about how he'd hit it. Or something like that.

Kangaroos are hot.
 
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