School gave us chromeboks, they are worthless

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I should add the people that can "snoop" on you is your parents to check if you are doing your work and for how much time. They get an account that can access yours.
 
cheststrongwell said:
I doubt tax was raised significantly to buy these things. The camera monitoring should be illegal though.
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No one is camera monitoring. If the school is using goguardian(most likely) then it has the ability to snap cam pictures in intervals when it is in anti-theft mode. Goguardian only allows a specific number of machines to be in anti-theft at any given time and they refrain schools from using it unless a device is actually stolen.

People worry too much.
 
Fairly sure there can be some illegal activity on their part for monitoring you outside the school. Imagine students who leave the laptops open in their room and undress to take showers or just change clothes. There was a really expensive case like this in California about 5 years ago. But in that case I'm not sure the students were aware they could be monitored. So do you own the chrome book? Or has your school lent it to you for the year. If they make you pay to buy it then i don't get why they limit it outside of school
 
Big Dog said:
Fairly sure there can be some illegal activity on their part for monitoring you outside the school. Imagine students who leave the laptops open in their room and undress to take showers or just change clothes. There was a really expensive case like this in California about 5 years ago. But in that case I'm not sure the students were aware they could be monitored. So do you own the chrome book? Or has your school lent it to you for the year. If they make you pay to buy it then i don't get why they limit it outside of school
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They're not monitoring what he's doing via literally looking at him through the camera like HAL.

It's part of the agreement saying the computer belongs to the school, including the webcam. It's covering the school in case he decides to have some fun with it someday.
 
Can you just reformat it to remove the security? The school shouldnt try and block you from the wonders of anal vore. Twitter FB and reddit I can understand though, fucking vile.
Double down and ask for a computer studies credit if you dont get caught.
 
It's hard to care when you know there's probably a kid at OP's school who has the same restrictions but is using his spare time to learn programming or such wizardry to get around such restrictions, instead of complaining on the internet.
 
neshcom said:
High schoolers give a shit about taxes?
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Of course not. And taxes probably weren't increased significantly, and they were likely part of any new budget that a school district has.

It's more likely that they got federal or state funding for a program like this, and any specific local taxes incidentally went up.

But for high schoolers who are too busy using reddit and snapchat during their Civics classes, this becomes "The school raised taxes to watch us at home!"
 
The Albatross said:
So my fiance is a high school English teacher for a poor inner city school, the worst school in one of the poorest school systems in the state. The majority of her students do not have computers or internet at home. Most have new(ish) smartphones because it's a status thing, but very few households have computers or a typical internet connection. The result is that if she wants to prepare some of her kids for college who will go, she can only assign typed papers that they use class time to type in the computer labs at school, which sucks because it takes away class time.

Prior to the school she is at now, she was at one of the wealthiest public schools in the state, and every student submitted their papers via Google Docs... which was amazing, even for me (somebody who works in tech), I was pretty impressed by the system. She could live edit a draft of a paper with a student at night, and was available for chat through whatever the Google Apps for School Hangouts app is. This school's use of technology was better than both of our college's. That's something that could really help any student.

The surveillance thing really sounds like one of those high school myths that students make up because they heard a teacher tell a friend from an aid that the principle is using the computer to monitor them at home.
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This is mindblowing to me, a kid whose dad bought the Macintosh Classic just to learn Adobe Photoshop & Illustrator for his career.

The computing power of today's mobile devices crushes anything from the 1990s. Moore's Law has held constant.

Seductivpancakes said:
I wish school gave me a expensive piece of equipment to do home work with when i was in school.

We even had to buy our own calculators.
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I still have my TI83 Plus.
 
So, you mean to tell me the school gave y'all computers with the same exact restrictions they would place on the computers in their own libraries and labs? Damn, that's wild.
 
The Albatross said:
SA school district lost a class action suit for exactly what the OP is mentioning. Believe it or not, when school systems implement system-wide, multi-million dollar funding initiatives for programs like this, they look at past successes and failures. So yes, because a past school district did this -- in 2010 -- and was brought to court and lost because of it I'd feel that future school systems probably wouldn't institute this home surveillance policy. Plus, you have to admit that the world in 2015 takes online and personal privacy much more seriously than it did in 2010 (or earlier).

The surveillance thing really sounds like one of those high school myths that students make up because they heard a teacher tell a friend from an aid that the principle is using the computer to monitor them at home.
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I don't disagree with this, but one of the key issues seems to have been the lack of consent to the surveillance on the part of the students because the school district failed to inform their parents that they (1) had the capability to activate the webcams and (2) would actually do so. The fact that the school (per the OP) has actually informed them of their policy could indicate that their counsel has determined that this factual distinction moves it beyond Robbins (which wouldn't even be binding precedent on the OP's Chicago school anyway).

I would hope that the OP was just repeating rumors because the chromebook has a webcam, but if they actually informed their students that they had a policy to conduct surveillance via the webcams, then that is really troubling.
 
I do love backfire threads.

Hey OP, you think that's bad, spare a thought for the child that has to walk miles and miles on an empty stomach, to sit on the hard ground to get an education.

Get some perspective, given laptop for school works and moans about it.
 
Generalpsyduck said:
okay so my school just gave all the students in our highschool chromebooks for "free" (raised our taxes by a significant sum this year) but i would not have an issue with this if there where not so many restrictions to them. you can not access reddit youtube facebook twitter even when your not at school. also the school reserves the right to snoop on what you are doing on it even if you are at home and that they reserve the right to monitor you remotely through the camera on the pc and they can snoop on your private emails. this all just seems ridiculous. sorry for the rage post
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Yeah I don't believe you OP

You say this is for high school so your school reserved the right to remotely watch minors through their webcams?

Okay...

I do believe you have a chromebook with severe user restrictions though but due to it being solely intended as a tool for school, that seems more than reasonable
 
DoktorEvil said:
A laptop computer used is substantially cheaper than a new iPhone.

This is mindblowing to me, a kid whose dad bought the Macintosh Classic just to learn Adobe Photoshop & Illustrator for his career.

The computing power of today's mobile devices crushes anything from the 1990s. Moore's Law has held constant.
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Yep. It's really sad and I feel bad for these kids. I can definitely say that I wouldn't have the career I have today without learning qBasic on the old 386 that I inherited once my sister went to college.

But, in her classes of, say, 25 students, only a few have computers at home and those students also usually have the internet at home. The vast majority do not. So it's really difficult to help prepare some of those kids for college where typed papers are the norm, when the majority of students don't have computers. I'm always surprised when she brings home a stack of assignments to grade and nearly all of them are hand written.. I graduated from HS in 2002, in the same city but at a much more affluent public high school, and almost all of my papers from say 2000 and on were typed. It's just a different, sad world. Interestingly, the only students who have computers and internet at home are generally children of immigrants or recent migrants to the US.
 
OP sounds like a high school student. If that's the case, then I can see the restrictions, school districts have to protect against liabilities.
 
Does the chromebook allow for learning about punctuation and the differences between "your" and "you're"?

Boy OP, just wait until you get into the workforce. If you ever can secure a job that requires use of corporate technology you're going to have a blast thinking about what can be tracked and restricted.
 
Generalpsyduck said:
okay so my school just gave all the students in our highschool chromebooks for "free" (raised our taxes by a significant sum this year) but i would not have an issue with this if there where not so many restrictions to them. you can not access reddit youtube facebook twitter even when your not at school. also the school reserves the right to snoop on what you are doing on it even if you are at home and that they reserve the right to monitor you remotely through the camera on the pc and they can snoop on your private emails. this all just seems ridiculous. sorry for the rage post
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The problem is? Sounds like any other entity-provided computer from either a school or an employer to be honest (well, except the webcam stuff, but I'd have to see some verified proof of that actually happening).
 
Here is this year's tech spending for a statewide education consortium I'm part of.

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And here's our chromebook bid pricing:

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So across 430 education providers we spent about $19 Million in chromebooks. My state has about 7.7 Million adults. So even if for some reason taxes had to be raised for the explicit reason of buying students chromebooks, that's less than $2.50 a person.

I think the taxpayers can manage.
 
NoblesseOblige said:
Here is this year's tech spending for a statewide education consortium I'm part of.

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And here's our chromebook bid pricing:

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So across 430 education providers we spent about $19 Million in chromebooks. My state has about 7.7 Million adults. So even if for some reason taxes had to be raised for the explicit reason of buying students chromebooks, that's less than $2.50 a person.

I think the taxpayers can manage.
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That's some shitty pricing for bulk.
 
So it's not the chromebook that sucks, it's the security policies and firewalls they setup. Makes complete sense that they'd lock them down considering you don't own the device. Work laptop is the same way.
 
The Albatross said:
Yep. It's really sad and I feel bad for these kids. I can definitely say that I wouldn't have the career I have today without learning qBasic on the old 386 that I inherited once my sister went to college.

But, in her classes of, say, 25 students, only a few have computers at home and those students also usually have the internet at home. The vast majority do not. So it's really difficult to help prepare some of those kids for college where typed papers are the norm, when the majority of students don't have computers. I'm always surprised when she brings home a stack of assignments to grade and nearly all of them are hand written.. I graduated from HS in 2002, in the same city but at a much more affluent public high school, and almost all of my papers from say 2000 and on were typed. It's just a different, sad world. Interestingly, the only students who have computers and internet at home are generally children of immigrants or recent migrants to the US.
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I don't understand how any public school district does not have loanable laptop computers available for students to access.
 
TheOohChild said:
In my day I did schoolwork with pencils, and sometimes they had erasers that were hard and didn't erase stuff very well.
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When I was kid and I needed to do research I had to spend a significant amount of time in the public library looking stuff up in encyclopedias and other reference works. My mom eventually dished out 2K (financed) to get me the Encyclopedia Britannica. Twenty six volumes. Plus a yearly volume that would supposedly keep it up to date.

You kids that never knew a pre-internet world need to stop whining about stuff like this.

[/end old man rant]
 
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