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School-to-prison pipeline exposed

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Zzoram

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What do these school kids have in common? The teenage girl with a bladder disorder who left class without permission, ignoring a teacher and racing for a bathroom rather than wet herself; the boy who was rude to a school administrator; another who was tardy. They are children of color who, as a result of breaking minor school rules, were allegedly arrested and thrown into a juvenile detention facility in Meridian, Mississippi. It appears to be the most blatant case in a nationwide phenomenon that the U.S. Department of Justice, in a 37-page lawsuit, calls a “school-to-prison pipeline.”

Following an eight-month investigation and a two-month warning period, the Justice Department in October filed a civil rights lawsuit against the city of Meridian, Lauderdale County, the Mississippi Department of Youth Services (DYS) and local Youth Court judges Frank Coleman and Veldore Young for violating the Fourth, Fifth and 14th Amendment rights of Meridian public school children.

For six years or so, at least 77 children, some as young as 10 – all of them “children of color,” says Jody Owens, with the Southern Poverty Law Center–were routinely arrested at Meridian schools allegedly on the say-so of teachers or administrators, handcuffed and taken to jail where they were held for days on end without benefit of a hearing, a lawyer, or understanding their Miranda rights. Their parents or guardians weren’t notified of the arrests until the children were in lockdown in a facility the SPLC says was a hellhole of abuse and neglect.

During a speech in April, Thomas Perez, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division of the U.S. Department of Justice, said students told him “of being escorted from school for crying while being paddled” and “of serving time in in-school suspension for wearing the wrong color socks.” In the case of disabled students, some were arrested for behavior symptomatic of the very illnesses that made them require special education plans. In most of these incidents, Owens says the children “didn’t even know who accused them.”

Meridian’s students – including special education kids – were, according to investigators, expelled and suspended for longer than 10 days “at a rate almost seven times the rate for Mississippi schools generally.”

The Justice Department also alleges that things were worse for children on probation: a school suspension automatically violated the terms of probation and the child was sent to juvenile jail. “The system established by the city of Meridian, Lauderdale County and DYS to incarcerate children for school suspensions ‘shocks the conscience,’” said a letter the Justice Department wrote to the state, county and city in August regarding the investigation. What’s more, apparently without having the consequences explained to them, the children were placed under probation contracts granting their judicial overseers extraordinary powers, including the ability to revoke probation for minor school infractions.

“Defendants in this case collectively help to operate a school-to-prison pipeline whereby,following referral of students by the District, MPD [the Meridian Police Department], the Youth Court, and probation services (DYS), arrest, adjudicate, and incarcerate children for school infractions without exercising appropriate discretion and without regard for their obligations under the United States Constitution,” the lawsuit claims. “MPD automatically arrests all students referred to MPD by the District, which employs a system of severe and arbitrary discipline that disproportionately impacts black children and children with disabilities. The children arrested by MPD are then sent to the County juvenile justice system, where existing due process protections are illusory and inadequate.”

All deny the charges. Henry Palmer, Coleman and Young’s lawyer, wrote in his response to the lawsuit that his clients “categorically deny any systemic violation of any child’s constitutional rights” and are not responsible for school discipline policies.

Policies that funnel misbehaving children directly from school to juvenile detention and even adult courts are cropping up all over the country, a result, says the American Civil Liberties Union, of unforgiving and often irrational zero-tolerance laws that criminalize infractions of school rules and normal childhood behavior, of the wide-spread practice of turning what used to be routine school discipline over to police and school safety officers, and of high-stakes standardized testing programs like the No Child Left Behind Act, which encourage educators to raise their schools’ scores by getting rid of low-achieving students.

The U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary has scheduled a hearing on the school-to-prison pipeline by the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Human Rights chaired by Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Illinois, on Dec. 12. In recent years such practices have come to light in California, Texas, Florida, Tennessee, Alabama, Louisiana and New York. The programs primarily affect children of color and the disabled, particularly those who are already disadvantaged. In California, black children are twice as likely as whites to receive out of school suspensions and while nationwide disabled children account for just 13% of the overall student population, they represent 70% of students subjected to physical restraint. “Kids are being handcuffed and shoved into closets,” says Deborah Vagins with the American Civil Liberties Union. “It’s happening all over the country.”


Vagins hopes the congressional hearings will result in support for federal legislation ending corporal punishment in schools, guidelines limiting how and when students can be restrained and secluded, and the use of federal school funds to create “positive reinforcement” school programs.

In Meridian, the days of what the Justice Department said amounted to local police operating a taxi service between schools and juvenile detention are apparently over. Just days after being hired in July 2011, Meridian schools superintendent Alvin Taylor ordered the schools to stop calling police unless a child commits a felony. Further, Meridian City Attorney Ronnie Walton, while maintaining the Justice Department’s findings are incorrect, wrote in his response to the lawsuit that the police department now “only responds to calls from the Meridian Public School District during the normal school day for incidents involving the commission of a felony, physical violence, illegal drugs, or based upon an order from a Youth Court Judge or Judge of a court of other competent jurisdiction. No officer may sign an affidavit dealing with a juvenile or transport a juvenile from the school grounds unless the offense for which that officer is charging that individual took place in view of the officer.”

That doesn’t help the children who were persecuted and at this point, no one really knows how many there were, Owens says. Mississippi and the Lauderdale County Youth Court, citing state confidentiality laws have refused the Justice Department’s repeated request for access to juvenile court records.



Read more: http://nation.time.com/2012/12/11/t...pipeline-was-it-in-mississippi/#ixzz2EnebmCqC

http://nation.time.com/2012/12/11/the-worst-school-to-prison-pipeline-was-it-in-mississippi/

Disgusting. How is no one going to jail for doing this to children?
 

WedgeX

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In the case of disabled students, some were arrested for behavior symptomatic of the very illnesses that made them require special education plans.

Bloody hell.

Wasn't the same type of scheme exposed in Pennsylvania? Where a judge was being paid to funnel kids to a privately owned for-profit detention center?

fake edit:

Yes, yes it was.
 

Samyy

Member
Theres for-profit prisons now? Jesus...
Edit: These people need to be locked up, to profit off the innocent and misuse the justice system like this
 

commedieu

Banned
Bloody hell.

Wasn't the same type of scheme exposed in Pennsylvania? Where a judge was being paid to funnel kids to a privately owned for-profit detention center?

fake edit:

Yes, yes it was.

Gasp no. The government would never do such a thing.... come on. Even if they've done it in the past.. thats just isolated..... yea!

When does it become more than a link to make a snarky comment on, and actually a problem for people? I'm still waiting.
 

WedgeX

Banned
Gasp no. The government would never do such a thing.... come on. Even if they've done it in the past.. thats just isolated..... yea!

When does it become more than a link to make a snarky comment on, and actually a problem for people? I'm still waiting.

More people definitely do need to care. Luckily the Southern Poverty Law Center and the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division seem to get involved in a fair amount of these things, but its rarely a whistle blower that says something is wrong, its typically a parent unrelentingly advocating for their child whose Constitutional rights have been grossly violated. And disgustingly in this case the Department of Youth Services was complicit, and I would not put it past a fair number of the foster care workers I've worked with to do the same.
 

Cyan

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The Lauderdale County Juvenile Center in Meridian, which is where I assume these kids are being sent, is indeed a for-profit company.
 
I thought this was going to be about some underground pipe that prisoners and school kids were using.

So I wasn't the only only one.
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speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
Fuck me. How the hell did they get away with this shit? And why are they defending themselves so righteously?

To think that this is happening in a first world country which believes in justice and liberty for the individual. These people make me sick.
 
The Lauderdale County Juvenile Center in Meridian, which is where I assume these kids are being sent, is indeed a for-profit company.

Whose bright idea was it to have for-profit prisons?

Fuck me. How the hell did they get away with this shit? And why are they defending themselves so righteously?

Yeah, that's the grossest part. How anyone could defend this is beyond me. That article WedgeX linked to? People were defending the judge, saying he didn't deserve a harsh sentence.
 

commedieu

Banned
I always loved the later, acoustic guitar versions of the Home Depot theme:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAkn4CBI5tY

I'm always busting out similar renditions on piano.

I like a lot of the happy-go-lucky, relaxing background music in a lot of commercials. There was a sweet violin theme that used to play in the background of a drug or bank commercial or something that I loved.
Wrong thread.

i'm too fast!!!!!! :D

heheh.
 

watershed

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Disgusting but not surprising. Both institutions (schools and prisons) need a serious makeover in this country but neither will see it happen. Instead this crap will continue and we'll wonder why we have so many people in prison and so many people failing in schools.
 

watershed

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A good part of the country has been suckered into thinking privatization of everything is a good idea. For profit prison has got to be on the list of dumbest shit I've seen.

Along with for-profit disaster relief and prevention which is how it would be if Mitt Romney had his way.
 

xbhaskarx

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I can believe a lot of shocking, horrific, and depressing news stories but I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the idea that this was actually going on in the US in the 21st century....
 

Hari Seldon

Member
Jesus fucking christ. Of all the enraging stories on gaf, this has enraged me more than any other. This sounds even fucking worse than the PA scandal. It sounds like the teachers are the problem. They are the ones calling the cops to get rid of the low performing students for any little infraction. The entire fucking school staff and judges responsible for this need life in prison.
 
This is beyond words. Such a level of ignorance among the people employed to teach us and keep us safe. Every teacher who was a willing and knowing participant of this scheme should be institutionalized.

The concept of a for-profit penal institution is very confusing. I don't live in a hard core capitalist country so the concept is a one foreign to me - but why would the people support such a thing?

Of all of the developed countries in the world, which others are likely involved in similar schemes to the one outlined in the OP? Or is this just something that the US has thought up?
 
Elected officials and CEOs need to go to non profit, rape-based jails for this.

WTH stinkles

this is worse than finding out that Marty is a devout republican
From now on, I won't be able to enjoy Halo without thinking of rape-based jails.
Although one could argue that the Halo 4 MP is already an experience very similar to that of a rape-based jail
 
I remember a thread months ago that discussed teachers relying more on police force and presence to enforce school conduct policies.

Why would you need police to patrol a school ground? Makes no sense at all. After reading this, it all connects.
 

Chichikov

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Whose bright idea was it to have for-profit prisons?
The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).
They crafted most of those bills and handed them to conservative states who in most cases past them as is.
Oh, and did I mention they wrote some of the toughest criminal bills in the country, sending more costumers to the for profit prison?
Because they totally did.
But the system works, because they also passed laws allowing prison labor.

Read about them a bit, know your enemy, this shit is pretty messed up.

Edit: in video form for you add kids.
 

ronito

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This is beyond words. Such a level of ignorance among the people we employ to teach us and keep us safe. Every teacher who was a willing and knowing participant of this scheme should be institutionalized.

The concept of a for-profit penal institution is very confusing. I don't live in a hard core capitalist country so the concept is a foreign to me - but why would the people support such a thing?

Of all of the developed countries in the world, which others are likely involved in similar schemes to the one outlined in the OP? Or is this just something that the US has thought up?

Essentially someone said, "Governments aren't in the business to run prisons. You know who is though? Prison business! You pay us and we'll run it for you. You don't have to run anything, hire anyone or figure anything out. Just cut us a check and we'll run it for you! And if you don't like it you can hire one of our competitors (who will all charge you a similar fee)."

And people really bought into it. What I'm surprised by is that someone didn't say, "Hey, no wait a minute. Governments ARE in the business of running prisons."
 
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kittens

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Whose bright idea was it to have for-profit prisons?
The same people who see incarcerating immigrants as a new "market opportunity".

I think this video is pretty relevant. It's Lauren Regan of the Civil Liberties Defense Center discussing ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Council. Two especially relevant parts:

http://youtu.be/T5as5K5fcYs?t=3m55s
http://youtu.be/T5as5K5fcYs?t=13m12s

This county is hardly the only one sending large numbers of children to jail for minor offenses.
I have no idea how accurate this is, but I saw this image recently:
http://i.imgur.com/anGEG.png[IMG][/quote]

Edit : Never mind, apparently the pic is BS.
 
Essentially someone said, "Governments aren't in the business to run prisons. You know who is though? Prison business! You pay us and we'll run it for you. You don't have to run anything, hire anyone or figure anything out. Just cut us a check and we'll run it for you! And if you don't like it you can hire one of our competitors (who will all charge you a similar fee)."

And people really bought into it. What I'm surprised by is that someone didn't say, "Hey, no wait a minute. Governments ARE in the business of running prisons."

My Governor's chief of staff's previous job was a prison industry lobbyist.

The whole system makes me sad.
 

commedieu

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Essentially someone said, "Governments aren't in the business to run prisons. You know who is though? Prison business! You pay us and we'll run it for you. You don't have to run anything, hire anyone or figure anything out. Just cut us a check and we'll run it for you! And if you don't like it you can hire one of our competitors (who will all charge you a similar fee)."

And people really bought into it. What I'm surprised by is that someone didn't say, "Hey, no wait a minute. Governments ARE in the business of running prisons."

It makes people uncomfortable to admit it. They don't have everything figured out... and it becomes conspiracy gaf. Rinse and repeat.

The information is good to know, but thats as far as it goes unfortunately.

Ronito.
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
It makes people uncomfortable to admit it. They don't have everything figured out... and it becomes conspiracy gaf. Rinse and repeat.

The information is good to know, but thats as far as it goes unfortunately.

Ronito.

There's a good analogy here that I came up with a few weeks ago:
I understand that people are very apprehensive of the idea of say, government run news. There are good reasons to think that government run news is a bad idea. But I really don't think that for-profit news is actually any better. Its just a different agenda, with less controls on it.

Replace news with prisons.
 

Hari Seldon

Member
I have no idea how accurate this is, but I saw this image recently:


Lol not that I'm defending the US Prison system, but that is pretty funny. Alaska has like 700k people, Macedonia is 2million lol. PA is 12 million, Poland is 38 million lol. Most of those states have less than the countries listed.
 

remnant

Banned
So we are just going to ignore the fact that government bodies acted badly and purposely broke laws and focus on private prisons, which may or may not be involved in this situation? Okay.
 
Somehow I knew it was Mississippi when I saw the title. Seriously, out of all the articles I've read in OT, this one has my blood boiling the most. The vengeful side of me wants to see everybody involved get life in a maximum security for profit prison.
 

ronito

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Well people don't want to think too much about prisons. They're not "sexy" and no one ever got elected for making the prison system more effective. But people do get elected for putting people in it.

Really, people in charge don't want to think too much about jails, nor do they want liability if something goes wrong. Better then to pay someone else to take it off your hands and if they screw up you can just blame them.

Really, I think one thing that is constantly missing when we discuss the prison system is "Do you really want your tax payers money to keep this person in jail?" And perhaps if more people knew that most investments in rehabilitation yield positive returns opposed to just locking people up. Perhaps then we could move forward.
 

Zaptruder

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This really is an insane generational war. Fucking baby boomers, trying to fuck over every other generation. Just execute every single one of them and be done with it.
 
So we are just going to ignore the fact that government bodies acted badly and purposely broke laws and focus on private prisons, which may or may not be involved in this situation? Okay.

Because the private for profit prisons are the reasoning behind the governing bodies broke the laws?

Hurr durr government. No. The private prison lobby lobbies for the laws and judges and the result is this. Can't have one without the other.
 
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kittens

Unconfirmed Member
This really is an insane generational war. Fucking baby boomers, trying to fuck over every other generation. Just execute every single one of them and be done with it.
While I could see generational differences playing a part, I think it's mostly just a continuation of systematic, institutionalized racism and classism.

Lol not that I'm defending the US Prison system, but that is pretty funny. Alaska has like 700k people, Macedonia is 2million lol. PA is 12 million, Poland is 38 million lol. Most of those states have less than the countries listed.
Heh, thanks for doing my fact checking for me. ;-) I'll remove it.
 

commedieu

Banned
Well people don't want to think too much about prisons. They're not "sexy" and no one ever got elected for making the prison system more effective. But people do get elected for putting people in it.

Really, people in charge don't want to think too much about jails, nor do they want liability if something goes wrong. Better then to pay someone else to take it off your hands and if they screw up you can just blame them.

Really, I think one thing that is constantly missing when we discuss the prison system is "Do you really want your tax payers money to keep this person in jail?" And perhaps if more people knew that most investments in rehabilitation yield positive returns opposed to just locking people up. Perhaps then we could move forward.

People are fine with having a 50/50 chance with people on death row... and paying those millions of dollars to keep them there because we believe it makes us more safe.......

also, its a bit of "did nothing wrong/nothing to hide" mentality. Prisons are ugly, you're right. And if you're tangled up with prison, you're more than likely a perceived criminal to begin with..

I like your tax angle though, if someone were to calculate the numbers of how much it costs, 100% lack of rehabilitation(goal of a prison is just to rent out space to people, not rehabilitate so they don't continue their crimes - ok I exaggerate the % a little.) Im just afraid that the stupid can be convinced, as they have been, that its worth the investment to keep these 'criminals' off the street. For fun, we could include prison demographics to paint a picture of the criminals, and that really highlights the reasons behind the lack of interests in them/better off in jail/shouldn't have been in the wrong place at the wrong time..etc.

While I could see generational differences playing a part, I think it's mostly just a continuation of systematic, institutionalized racism and classism.

Yep.
 
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