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Schools required to give access / names to military under "No Child Left Behind"
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Tommie Hu$tle
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Easier to draft that way.
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I believe it.
I remember being harassed while visiting a mall in Seattle, Northgate or something, by an Army recruiter. When I told him I was 1) Canadian and 2) had no interest in getting shot while some politician's kids got out scot-free, he refused to believe me and followed me all the way into the parking lot.
I remember being harassed while visiting a mall in Seattle, Northgate or something, by an Army recruiter. When I told him I was 1) Canadian and 2) had no interest in getting shot while some politician's kids got out scot-free, he refused to believe me and followed me all the way into the parking lot.
Cerebral Palsy
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A draft is coming if Bush is re-elected, folks (no, not the "terrorist" type of folks).
Tommie Hu$tle
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Cerebral Palsy said:
A draft is coming either way.
Manabanana
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MIMIC said:
Ditto.
Banjo Tango
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I remember the military came to my school (via helicopter) in hippy-infested Eugene and was giving some kind of presentation in the library.
In the middle of it, two students ran in, one in fatigues with a toy gun chasing down the other. The guy with the gun "shot" the other in front of the army's display-table and he collapsed on top of their brochures, smearing "blood" over everything.
Both were suspended, but enough parents complained about the army being there in the first place that they didn't come back for at least two years.
In the middle of it, two students ran in, one in fatigues with a toy gun chasing down the other. The guy with the gun "shot" the other in front of the army's display-table and he collapsed on top of their brochures, smearing "blood" over everything.
Both were suspended, but enough parents complained about the army being there in the first place that they didn't come back for at least two years.
There is no draft coming, especially the nonsense of Bush getting it going 2-3 days after the election. Conscript forces are poor in fighting and morale, it would be a waste.
And unlike Mother Jones claims, its not buried, 20 seconds of searching brings up the needed information from the US department of education website.
http://www.ed.gov/news/pressreleases/2002/10/mrguidance.html
And unlike Mother Jones claims, its not buried, 20 seconds of searching brings up the needed information from the US department of education website.
http://www.ed.gov/news/pressreleases/2002/10/mrguidance.html
Fragamemnon
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I think this is very true. I don't think Bush can get out of it without changing his policy drastically, and has adopted clever code-wording to get out of being called a liar-"We will retain a volunteer army"-there's lots of fudge room there. Kerry will probably find himself totally boxed in by inaguration day if he is elected, and will have a royal mess to clean up. I bet he'll try to balloon the number of enlisted men through increased pay and benefits before he goes draft. Bush would probably just do a draft and not call it a draft and dress it up as "mandatory service" that looks a lot like a draft.
They'll call it different terms, and they probably won't send people directly into combat/overseas at first (they'll call it "mandatory civil service"). That'll change over time, of course.
One thing is for sure-if there is another theater that requires significant armed forces that crops up, we get a draft no matter how you draw it. This is the scary thing-we're so overextended that we simply can't respond anymore without having to break into involuntary service.
They'll get you into shape, Private Pyle.
Banjo Tango
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How does that mean it wasn't buried in the bill? Do you think most parents are aware of this part of the bill, or would be happy to learn about it?Ripclawe said:
Fragamemnon
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Conscript forces won WW2. They kicked as much ass as they could in Vietnam and Korea. Believe it or not, drafted soldiers aren't necessarily second-string worthless troops. They can be trained and motivated-often not so much for the cause of the war as the band of brothers they serve with.
From Hackworth:
Are you done pissing all over the people who fought and died for America, Ripclawe? Take that particularly terrible talking point and shove it.
Banjo Tango
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Well known, but with no liberal peace-nik outrage? My faith is slipping.swoon said:
That was then, I'm talking about now. Russia is the perfect example of how conscript forces are worse.. Plus the fact that to get a draft going, not only would the president have to approve it, but congress has to pass it. show of hands on thinking that will pass anytime soon.
I have nothing but admiration for the generations back then who fought in World War I and II. But that was different times, thinking and ideals that are mocked these days.
As for Hackworth on a totally different tangent, I hope he gets what he deserves for the part he played in Boorda suicide.
Ripclawe said:
Being well-motivated is not the sole factor in creating a viable fighting force. Hell, look at the army today - the all-volunteer army is in fact considerably worse off in terms of having competent people in the force than the conscripted forces of the past.
x 2BTW, just to illustrate the beauty of congressional bills and records... if you had taken notice of this, said WTF we need to take it out, and thus voted against the as-proposed bill, your record would say you voted against children.
People seem to think that bills are merely their one-line summary(*cough*dmca*cough*patriot act*cough*), but ANYTHING can be in a bill, even something completely unrelated to the original idea(eg. a measure to fund local arcades stuck in an environment bill).
People seem to think that bills are merely their one-line summary(*cough*dmca*cough*patriot act*cough*), but ANYTHING can be in a bill, even something completely unrelated to the original idea(eg. a measure to fund local arcades stuck in an environment bill).
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