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[RavageX]

I figured this would be bad.....Enterprise was the downturn for me. That and parts of Voyager.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Let me see if I can help you visualize:

 

[touchfuzzy]

Disagree. Final Frontier is a complete mess but has some fantastic scenes, like Bones confronting his guilt over euthanising his father (brilliantly performed by DeForrest Kelley), character moments like Kirk being able to resist Sybok's influence because he's grown dependent on his pain rather than wanting to be rid of it (also great from Shatner), or asking 'God' why he needs a spaceship. Sybok himself is a great character in a bad film and were there any competent writers on New Trek, one with a lot of potential to revisit beyond inanely falling back on memberberries.

Remember when Strange New Worlds teased giving us more Sybok and then promptly forgot about it?

 

[NecrosaroIII]

Section 31 was the dumbest part of DS9. Every time its ever been shown, its gotten dumber and dumber.

Not surprised this is trash

 

[ADiTAR]

I'm going to watch this pos now as I want to watch something before bed. Wish me look.

Gud Look.

 

[Revolutionary]

I don't think their hearts can take it. This looks dreadful.

Apparently they posted on Patreon that Mike and Rich are doing a video on it

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

lol nice choice of director, idiots

I just hope Rich and Mike give this one a review, then it'll all be worth it.

EDIT: oooof

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Kamala was brat too. But brat is now over, praise citrus!

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

TL/DR - We have already have "Elderly Abuse" at home!

I watched the first two episodes of Star Trek: Discovery Season 1...so I recognize at least one of these characters (the elderly lady that gets beat on the whole move) aka Michelle Yeoh (who for the record was a completely and total bad ass back in the day (please watch Yes' Madam)...but that was a LONG time ago). So I recognize her...but I don't think its the same character or whatever I don't know.

The move starts off with a voice over talking about a multi-dimension and Terran people (no idea).The cinematography was very poorly done with inconsistent shots throughout the moving, jarring cuts, and extremely poor practical effects. Their generated effects look good, but also so off brand from the Star Trek stuff I remember that what they use here (like diegetic UI elements etc) is completely foreign to me.I like the Odo (DS9) like shape shifter character (to be clear he is not the same Star Trek race as Odo) because I like the actor. He played the main character in the Werewolves Within movie that Ubisoft made, and he was in both seasons of The After Party.

All other characters were very poorly defined lacking ANY charm that I remember from star trek characters. A quick preview - The "Vulcan" runs around like a crazy person the entire time cracking jokes constantly. Very off putting...sure there is context to this particular character BUT this group is sold as some "covert troupe of super spies" but all the other characters are just incredibly bland lazy stereotypes and tropes. The characters are labeled as what they ARE "I'm starfleet person"....but they way they are developed it feels like someone who had NO clue what StarFleet does or how they comport themselves in this fictional universe.

Whoever wrote this has a hate boner for everything star trek IMO. The plot is phoned in (gotta save the galaxy-verse thing) but the implications of what is happening in this movie are baffling and overall completely DAMMNING of Star Fleet in almost every way.

The resolution in this movie is just...I don't know ,are they making a show of this or something? I really REALLY cannot express how bad the physical/practical effects are executed and shot in this "made for TV (but lest be real you gotta watch this on your phone as to not see how awful it was produced) Movie."If you have watched any of the most recent Star Trek stuff (again...my last exposure to Star Trek was the last major movie release with starring Crisp Ine) you may enjoy this...but I am not really sure this should be called Star Trek.

 

[Plague Doctor]

Hey man if he has the same opinion as me he's great! If not he's a grifting asshole.

This is what I think whenever anyone tossing around the word grifter.

"Oh... I get yah. You don't like their opinion. Noted."

 

[Blackage]

The one good thing to come out of this will be the RedLetterMedia video.

 

[xandaca]

Remember when Strange New Worlds teased giving us more Sybok and then promptly forgot about it?

Very much in mind when I used the phrase 'were there any competent writers on New Trek'.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Eff Sybok, Spock's sibling needed to be a woman of color no matter how hard they had to retcon to make it happen. Now whenever I watch TOS or the movies they make a lot more sense because I know that all of Spock's positive attributes are thanks to having a beautiful black woman in his life.

 

[Revolutionary]

It's here!

 

[Pegasus Actual]

^Damn that was quick. I hadn't mentally prepared myself to actually watch Section 31 anytime soon but I guess I'll have to knock it out this week

 

[nikolino840]

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

 

[wipeout364]

Michelle Yeoh was great at one point but everything everywhere all at once essentially made me a doubter. That movie was terrible and yes I know it won an Oscar( probably one of the most undeserved ones in history).

 

[MrCunningham]

I completely missed Picard and Discovery. I haven;t even watched Upper Decks. I am really behind on Star Trek. But I guess Discovery isn't even cannon anymore..I'll check out Section 31 when I can. I don;t have Paramount Plus.

 

[jufonuk]

It's so sad that modern Star Trek is mediocre.
Back in the 90's we were spoiled with great series and movies. Yes, there was the occasional terrible episode or movie, but overall, it was a great time to be a trekkie.

We had it good. Voyager all is forgiven

 

[MrCunningham]

We had it good. Voyager all is forgiven

I remember watching the series premier of Voyager on TV back when it originally debuted on TV in 1995. I stuck with the show for the first few seasons, and slowly tuned out. But I am pretty sure that I have seen the majority of the episodes through SpikeTV and 'Space' (Canada's version of Sci-fi Network).

The 'lost in space' angle started out pretty strong, but was kinda dropped a few seasons in. Yeah, the show would remind you that they were lost on the alpha quadrant. But it became less of a big deal as the series progressed. I like the cast of characters overall, but some of them became underutilized in later seasons. The Maquis quickly get absorbed into Starfleet officers and that story element gets dropped.

The later seasons were using cringey rating grabbing tactics for some episodes. Like adding 7of9 (not a bad addition). Lading to some cheesy episodes. But overall, I like the show. It was generally thought of as the worst of Star Trek at that point in time. But even the TOS series, TGN and DS9 had their share of bad episodes.

Critically the show became less hated after Enterprise. I liked Enterprise too when it started. But that was a show that fell apart in the end.

 

[Hookshot]

Been ages since I caught late night showings of Trek but here are 3 things I hate about Star Trek:

1. When time travellers show up. It destroys any future tension know the federation exists 500 years from what I’m watching. Think this was Voyager to give them anti Borg tech?

2. The evil alternative dimension from DS9, fine for an episode to give the actors different roles but it seems this new film is about that?

3. Section 31, Starfleet never needed bad guys doing dirty work behind the scenes making the “Good” of it a facade, so I probably wouldn’t watch this if it was decent.

Also someone mentioned a shapeshifter but not from the Dominion? How does that work did the fed send them into the Gamma Quadrant to fuck with them like they did to the federation?

 

[jufonuk]

I remember watching the series premier of Voyager on TV back when it originally debuted on TV in 1995. I stuck with the show for the first few seasons, and slowly tuned out. But I am pretty sure that I have seen the majority of the episodes through SpikeTV and 'Space' (Canada's version of Sci-fi Network).

The 'lost in space' angle started out pretty strong, but was kinda dropped a few seasons in. Yeah, the show would remind you that they were lost on the alpha quadrant. But it became less of a big deal as the series progressed. I like the cast of characters overall, but some of them became underutilized in later seasons. The Maquis quickly get absorbed into Starfleet officers and that story element gets dropped.

The later seasons were using cringey rating grabbing tactics for some episodes. Like adding 7of9 (not a bad addition). Lading to some cheesy episodes. But overall, I like the show. It was generally thought of as the worst of Star Trek at that point in time. But even the TOS series, TGN and DS9 had their share of bad episodes.

Critically the show became less hated after Enterprise. I liked Enterprise too when it started. But that was a show that fell apart in the end.

Enterprise was legit good. Up until the ending where. Yeah it felt like it was hastily done.
As a Star Trek nerd (ish). All I wanted was the first day of the federation with all its newest members , the whole intro was about how far humanity had come etc but instead we got the holodeck. It would have been an amazing show had it ended with the concluding speech.

 

[Trilobit]

It's here!

That was brutal and I feel bad for Mike who's a huge Star Trek fan.

 

[touchfuzzy]

Been ages since I caught late night showings of Trek but here are 3 things I hate about Star Trek:

1. When time travellers show up. It destroys any future tension know the federation exists 500 years from what I’m watching. Think this was Voyager to give them anti Borg tech?

2. The evil alternative dimension from DS9, fine for an episode to give the actors different roles but it seems this new film is about that?

3. Section 31, Starfleet never needed bad guys doing dirty work behind the scenes making the “Good” of it a facade, so I probably wouldn’t watch this if it was decent.

Also someone mentioned a shapeshifter but not from the Dominion? How does that work did the fed send them into the Gamma Quadrant to fuck with them like they did to the federation?

To be fair, the evil alternative dimension originates from The Original Series. DS9 fleshed it out a bit and then Discovery went hard on it (Michelle Yeoh's character is from the evil dimension entirely).

 

[AJUMP23]

It's here!

They are right tradition Star Trek we grew up on is dead.

 

[MMaRsu]

There's a bunch of stuff in Voyager thats a bit wack but I love it still, it was the first Trek I watched as a kid on tv

 

[Neon Xenon]

As someone who is not deep into Star Trek but watches TNG every now and then (I was partway into Season 02 weeks back), I still have enough respect for this franchise (the good parts of it) to recognize that Section 31 is just embarassing shit.

This isn't even the type of slop where I could see people get away with pulling some kind of "the bad thing is good, actually" mental gymnastics to try and defend it. It's just a shitty Hollywood product.

There's a reason that phrases like "discount Guardians of the Galaxy" keep getting used, and it's staggering how many times that phrase can correctly apply to some of the worst media released in the past year.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Section 31 wasn't Guardians of the Galaxy. It was

With a little luck maybe it'll be erased from the timeline as well.

 

[Escape Goat]

I think Trek ended with DS9 for me. Wonderful if you loved what came after but for me it was just garbage. The TNG films were garbage because the studio felt each had to be your typical sci fi action movie and that’s never been Trek.

I hope this endeavor crashes and burns hard enough for the suits at Paramount to wake the fuck up.

 

[Warspite]

Paramount are well aware of the state of Trek, they just don't give a fuck.

 

[winjer]

We had it good. Voyager all is forgiven

I loved Voyager, and still do.
It has a few issues, and a few bad episodes, but all Star Trek has some. But it was still a lot of fun to watch.

Compared to what Star Trek is doing now, even Star Trek Enterprise was better than. And that show was cancelled just when they were starting to improve it.

 

[Revolutionary]

Paramount are well aware of the state of Trek, they just don't give a fuck.

All they care about is more content for their streaming service - the quality doesn't matter. That's why they keep making multi-year deals with Kurtzman: even though his work is horrendous, his production company gets shit done relatively quickly... which is part of the reason why his work is so low quality.

 

[ManaByte]

I completely missed Picard

Ignore the first two seasons. The third is the TNG sendoff they never got and leaves them in a perfect spot and it should never be touched again. It's basically The Undiscovered Country style closure, but for the TNG crew.

 

[MrCunningham]

Ignore the first two seasons. The third is the TNG sendoff they never got and leaves them in a perfect spot and it should never be touched again. It's basically The Undiscovered Country style closure, but for the TNG crew.

I'm fine with the TGN throwbacks in Picard, as the show is about Picard. The Enterprise D scene is a bit hammy, but a really cool set. It looks modernized for Picard. I'd like to know the reason for the Enterprise D being back. It was destroyed in Generations (I saw this at the cinema), Enterprise E became the cinematic TGN ship. I haven't watched a Trek movies since like Star Trek Beyond.

EDIT: Never mind. I missed Geordie's explanation. Recovering the saucer section makes sense.

 

[ManaByte]

It looks modernized for Picard.

It was a 1:1 recreation of the original 1987 set.

I'd like to know the reason for the Enterprise D being back. It was destroyed in Generations (I saw this at the cinema), Enterprise E became the cinematic TGN ship.

The video above explains it. Geordi now runs the fleet museum and as a hobby project he restored the D. The saucer section was recovered from Viridian III as to not violate the Prime Directive and he took the stardrive section from a different Galaxy Class ship. They allude to something happening to the Enterprise E while Worf was commanding it.

 

[Tomeru]

It really is breathtaking awful. At least Nemesis had production value, Into Darkness could be somewhat entertaining if you ignored absolutely everything under the surface and Final Frontier had ambition and some great character scenes. This has that tacky CGI-artificial look, drowning the scene in garish colour filters and naff visual effects: it looks so fake, it wouldn't surprise me were 90% of it shot on a green screen. The direction and editing are choppy at their best, incoherently slicing scenes up one suspects in part to disguise the undercooked fight choreography and the lethargy with which it is performed. Michelle Yeoh is one of the great movie martial artists, but she's getting old and clearly can't do this stuff at a watchable pace anymore. The dialogue is as dense with sub-Marvel quips as the worst of New Trek, the plot and characters as rote as conceivable, which the performances might even make worse: again, I have enormous respect for Michelle Yeoh, but her hamming every line up at the beginning only heightens how lame and tone-deaf her lines are, and her going camp at the beginning clashes aggressively with the moments when the audience is expected to emotionally connect with her (deploying, once again, the most tired backstory tropes going). Jeff Russo's music is as flavourless as ever and at times deployed very strangely, with moments where there should be music falling silent, only to have it arbitrarily pop back in a moment later.

If this isn't quite as horrendous as Picard S1 - in that it's so disconnected from anything recognisably Star Trek that its edgelordiness is easily dismissed with many eyerolls, whereas the first season of Picard revelled in using Trek's history to show absolute contempt if not outright loathing for the values which made all the classic series' so beloved - it's running close, which is as great an indictment as you'll get from me (Picard S1 might be the only piece of media whose existence I actively resent). There's not a single redeeming factor in here, doubling down on everything that has made Kurtzmann Trek so dreadful and partially redeemed only by the fact it's so forgettable that it will hopefully have entirely vanished from my memory by tomorrow. Oh, and just to drop the last turd in the punchbowl, there's a cameo by a slumming celebrity at the end, embarrassing in and of itself but doubly so when you realise it implies someone thought this dreck deserved a sequel - I almost said 'would get' a sequel there, but with quality as barrel-scraping across the board as it is, the scary thing is it's not totally out of the question.

Eh, Ive seen worse movies.

 

[MMaRsu]

I still thought Picard s3 was bad.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

I still thought Picard s3 was bad.

Yeah, but not as bad. Some people mistake that with good. Common with Star Wars as well. Very sad.

 

[Revolutionary]

Season 3 of Picard has the single best episode of Nu Trek I've seen, but the rest of the season is still S1 Picard levels of garbage... but with 90% more fan service.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

If you took the name star Trek out of it would be the most generic, boring classic odd ball trope stop the bad guy crap. All of the characters are annoying or one dimensional.
The guy from power was decent.

The end fight between the bad guy and Michelle was hilariously bad.

 

[AGRacing]

Hot take... Into Darkness, Nemesis and Final Frontier were all good movies.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

This is the final real Star Trek, produced in association with the Roddenberry foundation over the past year. If you haven't seen this, watch the whole thing.

It's perfect that they picked the moment of Kirk's death at the end of Generations... that really was the end for me. First Contact was fun at the time but already killed Trek by making it a dumb action movie. Generations was full of faults, but had a solid core coming off of the end of TNG, and even the Nexus meeting between captains was wonderful.

But the ending of Generations (and therefore all of Trek for me) was bad, and they've fixed it by giving Kirk's death a proper sequence.

 

[Fluffytheterrible]

lol nice choice of director, idiots

I just hope Rich and Mike give this one a review, then it'll all be worth it.

EDIT: oooof

Bro he made the Cavern a movie which ends with caveman r*pe! ahaha