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[The Antitype]

I have many female friends. They're people I have no sexual tension with, at all.

Having a hostile relationship with somebody is easy. You ignore them, or avoid them, yada yada.

Having a friend that you want to have sex with is hard. You can't just ignore or avoid them, cause you like their company. You genuinely want to be around them. You want to move things forward, but you can't cause either they're not attracted to you in that way, or they have a boyfriend, or whatever. That's an ongoing frustration that's a far bigger pain in the ass.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Women and men who find each other attractive can't be friends, remember?

It's just moronic because it implies that attractive women literally have nothing to offer beyond their sex parts. Its almost sociopathy.

I have many female friends. They're people I have no sexual tension with, at all.

Having a hostile relationship with somebody is easy. You ignore them, or avoid them, yada yada.

Having a friend that you want to have sex with is hard. You can't just ignore or avoid them, cause you like their company. You genuinely want to be around them. You want to move things forward, but you can't cause either they're not attracted to you in that way, or they have a boyfriend, or whatever. That's an ongoing frustration that's a far bigger pain in the ass.

If you could, I don't know, control your dick and not be lead around by it this wouldn't be a problem.

 

[Devolution]

It's just moronic because it implies that attractive women literally have nothing to offer beyond their sex parts. Its almost sociopathy.

It is and yet every time either in dating age or in a friendship thread about that very topic, that's what people state as if it's okay.

 

[chizmiz]

It is and yet every time either in dating age or in a friendship thread about that very topic, that's what people state as if it's okay.

I'm glad you changed your avatar so we can be friends

 

[DY_nasty]

So

its okay to be friends with ugly women

 

[Minamu]

I guess this doesn't work the other way around, huh? Haha.

To some extent it will. What it is, is a manual on what buttons to push, how to do so and when to do it to trigger a desired feeling in another person. The difference from "getting lucky" is that these guys aren't fumbling around in the dark, hitting the right buttons by accident. I think that's where some people take offense. Technically, it is manipulation though, yeah. But like it or not, this stuff works all too well and may very well be the most efficient ways known to man for guys to get laid regularly. However, if your life goal is scoring 1000 chicks in 10 years, you might have other problems

 

[XANDER CAGE]

pick up artists unite














on neogaf.com!

you can't post on gaming age unless you got GAME

 

[chizmiz]

So

its okay to be friends with ugly women

You're now watching my bone
don't let me enter friendzone

 

[twofold]

To some extent it will. What it is, is a manual on what buttons to push, how to do so and when to do it to trigger a desired feeling in another person. The difference from "getting lucky" is that these guys aren't fumbling around in the dark, hitting the right buttons by accident. I think that's where some people take offense. Technically, it is manipulation though, yeah. But like it or not, this stuff works all too well and may very well be the most efficient ways known to man for guys to get laid regularly. However, if your life goal is scoring 1000 chicks in 10 years, you might have other problems

It's not the most efficient way at all. A lot of pickup stuff actually complicates matters and makes it much harder to meet girls than it needs to be. Tons of guys in the pickup community need to do hundreds of approaches before they get laid - that's not efficient at all.

See, most girls make up their mind about you as soon as you say hey. If they like you, they'll go along with the pickup bullshit. They'll think you're weird, but they'll go along with it. If they don't like you, they'll dismiss you or "be nice".

It's much easier to work on style/appearance and learn to recognize when a girl is giving you signs. Then you can just go over, say hey, escalate things physically and go home with her, assuming you're both attracted to each other, anyway.

Direct Number Close - Infield Approach by Sasha Daygame

That was horrible. I knew Sasha was weird and excelled at making people uncomfortable but I didn't know it was that bad. No-one should copy him. No-one at all.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

Direct Number Close - Infield Approach by Sasha Daygame

I don't really have any interest in PUA stuff, but... this has to be goofy even by PUA standards, right? I cringed as soon as he ran in front of that woman and said "don't worry, I'm not creepy" and the cringes kept on coming after that.

 

[Vermillion]

I guess this doesn't work the other way around, huh? Haha.

IIRC there is a female equivalent. You Google around and you'll find something. I think it has something to do with getting the guy you're interested in to come to you.

 

[Ultima_5]

This PUA shit is embarrassing to read. I'm not even that great with women, but I don't have to treat them like automatons to get anywhere. Personally, it seems like it shows a lack of respect for both them and yourself.

"Maybe that 100th chick likes to fuck on a pile of garbage?"

If you're referencing what I think you're referencing, you're good people.

Also, this gif seems like it's vaguely on-topic. If not, i was looking for a reason to post it again anyway.

 

[Uncompromisable]

I don't really have any interest in PUA stuff, but... this has to be goofy even by PUA standards, right? I cringed as soon as he ran in front of that woman and said "don't worry, I'm not creepy" and the cringes kept on coming after that.

agreed, would never do that.

 

[Devolution]

IIRC there is a female equivalent. You Google around and you'll find something. I think it has something to do with getting the guy you're interested in to come to you.

If we go by bitter ramblings on GAF she should have no problems.

 

[Nerds with Guns]

I don't really have any interest in PUA stuff, but... this has to be goofy even by PUA standards, right? I cringed as soon as he ran in front of that woman and said "don't worry, I'm not creepy" and the cringes kept on coming after that.

http://youtu.be/Y8omK5D18j0?hd=1


Same guy.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

Wasn't the whole point of The Game that PUA stuff is a great way to fuck up your life and worldview?

 

[Vermillion]

If we go by bitter ramblings on GAF she should have no problems.

*shrug* I wouldn't know. GAF also has impossible standards. GAF consensus counts for very little irl unless you're talking about an obvious issue, like murder.

In my experience.

 

[Mudkips]

Woman aren't NPCs you can get to do what you want using a conversation wheel. Just be a decent person and that will get you very far.

The sad fact is that there are people (both men and women) who engage exclusively in this bullshit. "Spitting game" is serious business to an entire swath of people, even though everyone involved knows it's all contrived, forced bullshit.

It makes no sense.

What in the fuck is this? This is why this thread is death. If I go and approach a random girl in public I’m being an asshat?

Approaching someone doesn't make you an asshat at all.
Throwing out cheesy lines and playing some bullshit game do.

Talking to a random girl is contrived, forced bullshit?

If you can't talk to someone without following a script or some set of "rules" a bunch of morons wrote, then yes, it's contrived, forced bullshit.

 

[Nerds with Guns]

The sad fact is that there are people (both men and women) who engage exclusively in this bullshit. "Spitting game" is serious business to an entire swath of people, even though everyone involved knows it's all contrived, forced bullshit.

It makes no sense.

Talking to a random girl is contrived, forced bullshit?

 

[Vermillion]

The sad fact is that there are people (both men and women) who engage exclusively in this bullshit. "Spitting game" is serious business to an entire swath of people, even though everyone involved knows it's all contrived, forced bullshit.

It makes no sense.

You've hit on a point. So many people (of both genders) get swept up in playing some game or something. It would be so much better if people stopped with the games, but... that's not happening...

 

[twofold]

Wasn't the whole point of The Game that PUA stuff is a great way to fuck up your life and worldview?

It was written to help Neil Strauss sell ebooks and seminars and stuff. If you notice, he never describes anyone in a positive way except for himself. All he does is criticize others and talk himself up. There's a lot of inconsistencies in the book, too, which make it obvious that a lot of it is fabricated/bullshit/exaggerated.

It's an amusing read, though!

 

[chizmiz]

Talking to a random girl is contrived, forced bullshit?

No. Flexing your biceps, or telling the girl you're too good for her, is. Among many other examples of idiocy.

 

[Nerds with Guns]

No. Flexing your biceps, or telling the girl you're too good for her, is. Among many other examples of idiocy.

Yeeeeahh that's not what day game is. That's just someone acting like a dick. Please do not confuse the two.

 

[Devolution]

The sad fact is that there are people (both men and women) who engage exclusively in this bullshit. "Spitting game" is serious business to an entire swath of people, even though everyone involved knows it's all contrived, forced bullshit.

It makes no sense.



Approaching someone doesn't make you an asshat at all.
Throwing out cheesy lines and playing some bullshit game do.



If you can't talk to someone without following a script or some set of "rules" a bunch of morons wrote, then yes, it's contrived, forced bullshit.

Now you can have the same fun we did in dating age earlier today.

 

[magenta]

It's an amusing read, though!

This is all I took from it, an amusing collection of stories.

 

[FStop7]

Talking to a random girl is contrived, forced bullshit?

I'm guessing the contrivances he's talking about are things like NLP and kino. Where there isn't a real conversation happening but instead one person is saying things he thinks the other wants to hear in order to increase his chances of getting laid. Reading posts on forums where PUAs hang out it's more like they're executing a checklist rather than actually engaging in a conversation.

 

[thekad]

No, I'd say the issue is that men don't see us as people...

What does this even mean? After all this time, I wish you guys would come up with something less hackneyed.

 

[Orayn]

What does this even mean? After all this time, I wish you guys would come up with something less hackneyed.

Did you not read The Antitype's posts that are specifically about how he thinks he's benefited from looking at women as challenges rather than individuals?

 

[Devolution]

Did you not read The Antitype's posts that are specifically about how he thinks he's benefited from looking at women as challenges rather than individuals?

Of course he didn't.

 

[DanteFox]

Did you not read The Antitype's posts that are specifically about how he thinks he's benefited from looking at women as challenges rather than individuals?

quote the exact section of his post that says that.

 

[thekad]

Did you not read The Antitype's posts that are specifically about how he thinks he's benefited from looking at women as challenges?

That stripped them of their humanity so they were no longer people?

 

[DY_nasty]

Are we really defending antitype's "i'd rather have her as my enemy, than be a friend that isn't fucking her" thesis?

 

[Kalnos]

quote the exact section of his post that says that.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=40183201&postcount=111

 

[Munin]

There is a lot of bullshit in PUA but I find the general intent of self-improvement to be a noble concept, that was then corrupted by creeps, desperate virgins and people looking to make a quick buck.

However, Devolution is deluding herself if she thinks there are no differences in how men and women think and feel.

 

[thekad]

Are we really defending antitype's "i'd rather have her as my enemy, than be a friend that isn't fucking her" thesis?

Yeah, you're definitely not being intellectually dishonest here...

"I don't want to be friends with someone who I feel more towards than they do me." =/= "I hate women."

 

[Vermillion]

Are we really defending antitype's "i'd rather have her as my enemy, than be a friend that isn't fucking her" thesis?

I almost agree with the premise. Not on the basis of sexual attraction. Like, you can't fuck everyone you want to, get over it.

But I can imagine how terrible it would be (again, for either gender) to just be friends with someone you love. And now, Taylor Swift song in my head. You belong with me.

 

[DY_nasty]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=40183201&postcount=111

lolz

Yeah, you're definitely not being intellectually dishonest here...

Are you being serious right now?

Hell, even if you did want to roll the cards as "I can't fuck her, fuck even having her around - there are other women to be smanged by da gawd" it'd be smarter to just stay cool with her and see what's good with her friends. But we ain't even doing THAT right. I got around plenty back in college, fuck yeah, but I never went around with thinking like this.

 

[DanteFox]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=40183201&postcount=111

I can't speak for him, but I don't think the two are necessarily mutually exclusive. I think people who criticize pickup for being manipulative and dehumanizing are being disingenuous about human interaction. We subconsciously and consciously alter our behavior, presentation and speech depending on the situation and how we want to be treated. As long as you're not lying to people, I don't see what the big deal is.

 

[Wazzim]

I'm guessing the contrivances he's talking about are things like NLP and kino. Where there isn't a real conversation happening but instead one person is saying things he thinks the other wants to hear in order to increase his chances of getting laid. Reading posts on forums where PUAs hang out it's more like they're executing a checklist rather than actually engaging in a conversation.

It is there for those who don't do things like kino automatically. For them it is very helpful to tick off the boxes like that, they'll do it naturally once they get used to it.

An exaggerated example : You are a complete stranger to humans and have never engaged in a conversation with them.

To help you learn to talk to people I will give you 3 boxes to check while having the conversation:
1. Say hello
2. Ask how it is going.
3. Say goodbye

We do that automatically because we are used to talking to people but someone completely strange to human communication may not know what the basics are.

 

[DY_nasty]

I almost agree with the premise. Not on the basis of sexual attraction. Like, you can't fuck everyone you want to, get over it.

But I can imagine how terrible it would be (again, for either gender) to just be friends with someone you love. And now, Taylor Swift song in my head. You belong with me.

If you're going around falling in love with people like that, ones that simply fit an image you have in your head (because they literally haven't offered you anything else other than that and a friendship), then you got issues.

 

[Vermillion]

If you're going around falling in love with people like that, ones that simply fit an image you have in your head (because they literally haven't offered you anything else other than that and a friendship), then you got issues.

Whoa, freeze. Have you ever heard the song? It's about a long term friendship. Come on now, I'm not talking about someone you just met.

 

[thekad]

lolz


Are you being serious right now?

Hell, even if you did want to roll the cards as "I can't fuck her, fuck even having her around - there are other women to be smanged by da gawd" it'd be smarter to just stay cool with her and see what's good with her friends. But we ain't even doing THAT right. I got around plenty back in college, fuck yeah, but I never went around with thinking like this.

I never said it was a smart idea; it's an understandable one that's not in any way how you tried to portray it.

btw, using a girl that's not attracted to you to get to her friends is treating her like a human being, right?

 

[Az987]

I would rather be friends with most girls than most guys.

Most dudes piss me the fuck off. No offense but I'd probably dislike 90% of GAF especially some of the little alpha male douche bags.

 

[youngwerther]

If this is what it takes to meet women then I'm definitely going to die alone.

 

[DY_nasty]

"I don't want to be friends with someone who I feel more towards than they do me." =/= "I hate women."

Hate women? He said "make them enemies". and before that, you're going around calling people challenges like they're stepping stones, tests, or events in life

what is that? like.... what is the point of that kind of thinking? can you start with that for me? because it just comes across as immediately toxic

I never said it was a smart idea; it's an understandable one that's not in any way how you tried to portray it.

btw, using a girl that's not attracted to you to get to her friends is treating her like a human being, right?

i'm just taking a page out of that book and explaining that chapter better than he is

if you want to actually value that person as a friend or use them to get to someone else is entirely up to the "artist"

 

[Leeness]

If we go by bitter ramblings on GAF she should have no problems.

Oh...

 

[Devolution]

Oh...

I don't condone that thinking what so ever. If you want some advice just PM me.

 

[Nerds with Guns]

If this is what it takes to meet women then I'm definitely going to die alone.

Getting up the nerve to go and say hello is all it takes.

I'll add more later.

That's okay brah

 

[chizmiz]

If this is what it takes to meet women then I'm definitely going to die alone.

You never truly mean someone you objectify.

On the other hand, a beautiful friendship can allow for some roleplaying objectication in bed. Enemies of women do not understand trust.

 

[Maddness]

My first comment on picking up people is commenting on their ear wax. You can tell how awesome a girl is going to be because of her earwax.

When I'm looking at a guy, I usually compliment their nose hair. If they have a little hanging out of their nose, they usually are hung.


Once I make those connections, I might start off with a couple quick lines.

"Hey man, I bet you take a fist in the crotch like a champ."

or for the opposite sex

"Man, you must be fat, because it's getting heavy in here."

I'll add more later.