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[BlueTsunami]

So from reading and posting in the If revmote is a success, will PS3 and X360 offer clone controllers? thread, I decided to go on an information hunt on similar controls i've seen in the past. Heres what I dug up....

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~Sony~

From an Edge Article back in 2000 (UK Edition).

This is a patent Sony made back in 2004

Source: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26688

Original Patent Documents (Their in PDF format): http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/IPDL-CIMAGES/images3.jsp?WEEK=32/2005&DOC=05/073838&TYPE=A2&TIME=1124716231


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~Microsoft~

These pictures are for a NON GAMING control. Appearently its supposed to interface to Windows or something and control basic applications (like Windows Media Player)

The words in the picture are not blurry in the original source site. The Wand itself contains an LED, Magnetometer, IR LED, Accelerometer, PIC Microcontroller, Gyro, A single Button, and uses 4 AAA batteries (its 1.5" in diameter)

Source: http://research.microsoft.com/~awilson/wand/default.htm


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Take it for what you will but it seems like all three Companies already had this technology in mind (so it seems). Nintendo is the only company that decided to go with it full throtle and base a console around it.

 

[Gaia Theory]

old.

 

[BlueTsunami]

old.

Thats the point

 

[Emotions]

Oh No!!!!! Nintendo copied them, Nintendo is doomed , Nitendo going 3rd party , Nintendo is a failure, R.I.P Nintendo. /end sarcasm

 

[BlueTsunami]

Oh No!!!!! Nintendo copied them, Nintendo is doomed , Nitendo going 3rd party , Nintendo is a failure, R.I.P Nintendo. /end sarcasm

/being pointing out that I never said any of those things

I never said any of those thing

/end pointing out that I never said any of those things

 

[Emotions]

/being pointing out that I never said any of those things

I never said any of those thing

/end pointing out that I never said any of those things

I was kidding, but it's a common thing saying things like that about nintendo.

 

[Gaia Theory]

I'd like to point out that the wand being used for Sony's Eye Toy is THE most Fisher Price looking peripheral I've ever seen.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I'd like to point out that the wand being used for Sony's Eye Toy is THE most Fisher Price looking peripheral I've ever seen.

You do have to realize it was 2000...its like...way to close to the 90s

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

YES BUT DOES IT MAKE YOU GO TEH WOW?

 

[Particle Physicist]

three things..

1 those 'remotes' seem to be implemented in a different manner than what nintendo has done.



2 does anyone know how accurate they are? they could be hugely inaccurate for all we know.

3 how expensive are they?

 

[BlueTsunami]

three things..

1 those 'remotes' seem to be implemented in a different manner than what nintendo has done.



2 does anyone know how accurate they are? they could be hugely inaccurate for all we know.

3 how expensive are they?

Yep, all three ARE implimented in a different way than the Revs remote but they all share manipulating someting on a Computer or TV screen which brings me to the next part

The Revolutoins remote is FAR more superior (in precision) than both the remotes shown, The Playstation patent seems to have a want that may have something on the tip that is tracked by a camera (which sould make it more accurate since it has a marker). I'm not sure about Microsofts wand though...

I'm not to sure how expensive they would be. The Sony's wand is hard to gauge (if impossible due to lack of parts info) but the Microsofts version seems as though it could cost a pretty peny (Due to the Gyro and other seemingly exotic parts)

 

[aaaaa0]

n/m

 

[Patrick Klepek]

The Microsoft project was an R&D device created to manipulate electronics in a house -- not to play games, and was never meant for implementation or applicability to Xbox. Sony's idea, though, is just something that never materialized.

 

[Ecrofirt]

You realize this has been posted several times already.

The fact that it's old technology doesn't mean anything. These images and whatnot have been posted here before. Several times, in fact. To the point where threads got locked because they were just repeating what was already done in other threads.

 

[BlueTsunami]

You realize this has been posted several times already.

The fact that it's old technology doesn't mean anything. These images and whatnot have been posted here before. Several times, in fact. To the point where threads got locked because they were just repeating what was already done in other threads.

Its more or less in response to the thread about Sony and Microsoft stealing these technologies. To show that the idea HAS been out there and its Nintendo that decided to go with it. I just want to inform people (by having it separate thread) on similar technologies that both Sony and Microsoft both thought of BEFORE the Revolution.

The Microsoft project was an R&D device created to manipulate electronics in a house -- not to play games, and was never meant for implementation or applicability to Xbox. Sony's idea, though, is just something that never materialized.

This is from the source webpage about Microsofts wand

WandMouse: Point at the display and click. The wand then controls the windows cursor, with the wand button functioning as the mouse left button. Click the large "Disable" button to exit WandMouse mode.

It seems to double as mouse for the Windows cursor which is similar to how the Revolution remote is implimented (the Revolutions remote adds depth).

 

[Gaia Theory]

Its more or less in response to the thread about Sony and Microsoft stealing these technologies. To show that the idea HAS been out there and its Nintendo that decided to go with it. I just want to inform people (by having it separate thread) on similar technologies that both Sony and Microsoft both thought of BEFORE the Revolution.

But this information is OLD, and most people have seen it already, or can find it in many other threads.

This thread, and your constant posting in it to defend it, is pointless.

 

[BlueTsunami]

But this information is OLD, and most people have seen it already, or can find it in many other threads.

This thread, and your constant posting in it to defend it, is pointless.

Its the first time i've seen this information like this (on GAF) in a singular thread. Its not bashing it just showing off other similar technologies. I don't see the issue with it.

I've already pointed out that the Revolutions controller is superior to the Microsoft and Sony controllers in terms of accuracy and features which makes it much more superior when used for games.

Also, most people have seen this? You have another thread where people are speculating that Sony and Microsoft may steal the concept (or the whole remote) and use it on their own systems.

 

[Gaia Theory]

Its the first time i've seen this information like this (on GAF) in a singular thread. Its not bashing it just showing off other similar technologies. I don't see the issue with it.

I've already pointed out that the Revolutions controller is superior to the Microsoft and Sony controllers in terms of accuracy and features which makes it much more superior when used for games.

Hey, I'm not arguing the validity of your arguments, I don't have a beef with any of that.

I'm just saying that the information is old. Don't worry about it.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Hey, I'm not arguing the validity of your arguments, I don't have a beef with any of that.

I'm just saying that the information is old. Don't worry about it.

No problem at all

Its good to have all the information pooled like this. I also felt the need for a dedicated thread to these other similar technologies.

 

[mashoutposse]

I haven't seen this before. Thanks for the post.

 

[Beatbox]

I had a third party one handed "gyro" joystick for Sega Genesis. MS Nintendo and Sony stole it from them. They in turn stole it from a little white mouse named Herbert.

 

[BlueTsunami]

I had a third party one handed "gyro" joystick for Sega Genesis. MS Nintendo and Sony stole it from them. They in turn stole it from a little white mouse named Herbert.

Sega, the true innovaters

 

[Shinobi]

Heh, it's the first time I've seen these pics...then again I made it a mission to avoid the complete and utter clusterfuck that were the Revolution remote threads.

 

[donny2112]

The Sony one is Eyetoy. The fact that they use a brightly colored wand (to make it easier on the software to recognize contrast) is inconsequential.

The Microsoft one is much closer to the Revolution controller, but as stated, wasn't to be used for gaming.

They were not, repeat, were not developing "Revolution like remotes" (i.e. new controllers for gaming). Experimenting with new interfaces? Yes. "Revolution like remotes"? No. If you honestly think the Revolution controller is very similar in functionality to these two examples, you either 1) don't understand what's been discussed on the Revolution controller or 2) are reaching to try to make the controller out as inconsequential.

 

[FiRez]

The old MS sidewinder controller featured gyros, I think it worked on Motocross Madness

It was one of these

 

[kaching]

The Sony one is Eyetoy.

Yep, just an early version of it. And I think the demo involved there in that Edge snippet actually made it onto an OPM demo disc.

 

[Xrenity]

Point is that games on Revolution MUST make use of the remote, while on the PS2 it could've been done if everyone bought a crappy thing like it :+

Plus it's Nintendo, thus far cooler.

 

[Rayven]

Every day is repost day

 

[Mr Mike]

How fucking moronic to post this and not know that a) the first one is EyeToy, completely different principle, and b) the second is old and for a different purpose.

 

[Calidor]

:lol