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[IrishNinja]

It's such a great game. Oh well.

for real forreal

So I gave Zwei another chance today. With the lock-on technique it made the game a bit more enjoyable to me.

Remember yesterday I said I just quit after beating level 3? Well today I played level 4, and then it clicked with me. Really liked the direction in that stage.

glad to hear it man! there's honestly not much more to it, see what you think of the final stages.

Technically you want a mix of the two. Jamming on the button is how you use Lundi's machine gun, and only that can shoot down certain projectiles... but holding down the button to let Lagi lock-on to tons of enemies at once is the quicker way to deal with multiple targets, IIRC. I forget which actually does more damage - probably the homing lasers, to counteract how much slower they are, but I really can't say for certain.

fair points, just trying to introduce the basics of the game

I haven't played Saga, but I will someday...

i'll say this, ABF: if you loved the stuff about PD/Z, and you're clearly able to visit & contemporize, i think you'll dig PDS. not to say it's gonna justify however many hundreds of dollars etc but if someone lent it to you or whatever, i think you'd get the hype. it's just on another level in some areas.

I liked the original Panzer Dragoon till I got to stage 5 then I just played Zwei.

Ehh i can dig it but Saga in particular references the endings of the others, it's worth tying them up beforehand!

 

[Celine]

This baby just arrived:

This baby has a funny thing between the legs :-D

 

[RoryDropkick]

So I'm still looking for takers on Radiant Silvergun and Elevator Action Returns, will probably put them up on the B/S/T in a little bit.

 

[MikeMyers]

Here's the top 10 Saturn games from AniHawk's thread, but I added in the Arcade ports:

01. Panzer Dragoon Saga
02. NiGHTS Into Dreams...
03. Virtua Fighter 2
04. Shining Force III
05. Sega Rally Championship
06. Panzer Dragoon Zwei
07. Radiant Silvergun
08. Daytona USA
09. Guardian Heroes
10. X-Men vs. Street Fighter

I know the last one was on PlayStation too, but the PSX port is pretty bad to the point where I see SF fans just count it as Saturn-exclusive anyways.

 

[oneida]

sega rally is lots of fun. short though.

GAME OVER YEAH

 

[blast processed]

Nice list. I see VF2 high on your list, have you played Fighters MegaMix or Fighting Vipers? It's a mash up of both games. I prefer it to VF2.

 

[Khaz]

sega rally is lots of fun. short though.

GAME OVER YEAH

Not if you actually play the game. Finishing first in Arcade Mode is not an easy feat and will take many replays. And chasing the fastest laps can be very addicting, like in any other racers.

There was a collection of gaffers best times on Sega Rally and Daytona USA somewhere in this thread, maybe it could be brought back?

 

[MikeMyers]

Nice list. I see VF2 high on your list, have you played Fighters MegaMix or Fighting Vipers? It's a mash up of both games. I prefer it to VF2.

It's from the "best of Gen 5" that GAF people voted on. AniHawk made a Saturn-exclusive list, but it didn't include arcade ports, so I added them in.

But to answer your question, yes I have played both and enjoy them both. VF3 is actually my favourite Sega fighter, and I'm forever salty the Saturn version wasn't released.

 

[Seven Force]

Fuck it. I'm putting aside $100 of every paycheck for the next few months so that maybe I can buy PDS by Christmas.

 

[Khaz]

What do fans of Virtua Fighter think of Virtua Fighter Kids? I never see it mentioned even though it came after 2.

 

[blast processed]

It's from the "best of Gen 5" that GAF people voted on. AniHawk made a Saturn-exclusive list, but it didn't include arcade ports, so I added them in.

But to answer your question, yes I have played both and enjoy them both. VF3 is actually my favourite Sega fighter, and I'm forever salty the Saturn version wasn't released.

Yeah, I just woke up from a nap and thought that was your list. LOL

 

[oneida]

What do fans of Virtua Fighter think of Virtua Fighter Kids? I never see it mentioned even though it came after 2.

there was no reason to play it competitively because it dropped only months before VF3

 

[Celine]

Here's the top 10 Saturn games from AniHawk's thread, but I added in the Arcade ports:

01. Panzer Dragoon Saga
02. NiGHTS Into Dreams...
03. Virtua Fighter 2
04. Shining Force III
05. Sega Rally Championship
06. Panzer Dragoon Zwei
07. Radiant Silvergun
08. Daytona USA
09. Guardian Heroes
10. X-Men vs. Street Fighter

I know the last one was on PlayStation too, but the PSX port is pretty bad to the point where I see SF fans just count it as Saturn-exclusive anyways.

Overall a competent list.

sega rally is lots of fun. short though.

GAME OVER YEAH

As any classic arcade game it is very replayable especially thanks to the awesome handling.

There was a collection of gaffers best times on Sega Rally and Daytona USA somewhere in this thread, maybe it could be brought back?

Oh yeah, that was fun.
Not sure how many gaffers are interested though.

 

[MikeMyers]

What I really like about Fighting Vipers is that you can wear your opponent down. If you keep attacking them in certain areas, they become more vulnerable in that area. Wish some more fighting games did that. I know some WWE did it.

VF Kids is cute. Has some funny FMV's.

 

[blast processed]

Tao Fang Fists of Lotus did this on the Original Xbox. You can break bones and weaken limbs so they do less damage iirc.

 

[Timu]

What I really like about Fighting Vipers is that you can wear your opponent down. If you keep attacking them in certain areas, they become more vulnerable in that area. Wish some more fighting games did that. I know some WWE did it.

Fighter's History does this.

 

[cj_iwakura]

HG101 write-up on Burning Rangers.

 

[theSlacker]

Fuck it. I'm putting aside $100 of every paycheck for the next few months so that maybe I can buy PDS by Christmas.

Then the other half of it is actually finding a copy you are willing to spend all that money on. I've had cash ready for a while now but have not come across a good copy yet. :c

 

[MikeMyers]

What's the the story on KOF? Apparently some wont work with the AR Ram Cart?

 

[Khaz]

What's the the story on KOF? Apparently some wont work with the AR Ram Cart?

King of fighters 95 needs its own ROM cart so cannot be region-freed with the Action replay cart.
The other King of fighters only need a 1M RAM cart so they're cool with the Action Replay.

 

[sixteen-bit]

What I really like about Fighting Vipers is that you can wear your opponent down. If you keep attacking them in certain areas, they become more vulnerable in that area. Wish some more fighting games did that. I know some WWE did it.

VF Kids is cute. Has some funny FMV's.

The Data East game Fighters History Dynamite on Neo Geo and Saturn did this, IRC

 

[Nostalgic Nightmare]

So are the capcom generations 5 ports of SF better on saturn on ps1.
It seems for ST the ps1 edged out the saturn version so I'm assuming that's the case here as well.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Not entirely sure myself, but the Saturn versions will always suffer that aspect ratio weirdness, IIRC.

 

[Nostalgic Nightmare]

Yeah, I gotta figure the ps1 versions are just fine, plus much cheaper than the saturn counterpart sadly.

 

[blast processed]

So are the capcom generations 5 ports of SF better on saturn on ps1.
It seems for ST the ps1 edged out the saturn version so I'm assuming that's the case here as well.

I think Oneida did a screenshot comparison of the two a couple of months ago.

Edit: Here it is

 

[Nostalgic Nightmare]

Thanks for that!

 

[Khaz]

decent controller > correct aspect ratio imho

 

[MikeMyers]

In Ken's ending in X-Men Vs. SF, he's playing Saturn with his son.

+1 respect Ken.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Sak's stage in A2 the homie in the BG is playing Super Famicom

 

[oneida]

I think Oneida did a screenshot comparison of the two a couple of months ago.

Edit: Here it is

I should've noticed that the stretching is most obvious if you look at the star on the floor.

decent controller > correct aspect ratio imho

I play the Saturn version from time to time, it's mostly fine and the controller is much better. but it's hard to recommend an inferior port when it's also more expensive.

 

[Nostalgic Nightmare]

Yeah luckily my Hori SS stick also has a PCB that seems to work with the ps1, I had to solder in a ps1 controller cable to it but now it works on saturn/ps1/ps2. Also put in a Cthulhu so it works on the ps3 as well so I'm happy.

 

[ResidentDante]

Since this thread probably contains more Panzer Dragoon fans than any other on Gaf, I'd like to ask the question about Crimson Dragon on the Xbox One. I actually thought it was quite okay to play through, kind of made me think a full production Panzer Dragoon would be cool. Any thoughts on it here?

 

[Timu]

Since this thread probably contains more Panzer Dragoon fans than any other on Gaf, I'd like to ask the question about Crimson Dragon on the Xbox One. I actually thought it was quite okay to play through, kind of made me think a full production Panzer Dragoon would be cool. Any thoughts on it here?

I hope a real Panzer Dragoon happens again because Crimson Dragon, while the weakest, isn't horrible and made me wish we got another Panzer Dragoon instead.

 

[Genesis Knight]

Yeah luckily my Hori SS stick also has a PCB that seems to work with the ps1, I had to solder in a ps1 controller cable to it but now it works on saturn/ps1/ps2. Also put in a Cthulhu so it works on the ps3 as well so I'm happy.

Some of those Horis even came with a dual plug that worked on PSX and SAT.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I have one of those tototek adapters and rock an HRAP2 on my Saturn

 

[ResidentDante]

I hope a real Panzer Dragoon happens again because Crimson Dragon, while the weakest, isn't horrible and made me wish we got another Panzer Dragoon instead.

Kind of how I felt playing it too. I enjoyed it for what it was. It really could have needed the Panzer Dragoon franchise name though.

 

[KC-Slater]

In Ken's ending in X-Men Vs. SF, he's playing Saturn with his son.

+1 respect Ken.

It looks more like a PSX with a weird cart-slot to me. That pic is actually my avatar, ha! The controller is definitely Sega-inspired, though.

 

[MikeMyers]

I jut assumed the cart was the RAM cart that came with the game.

 

[bjork]

What do fans of Virtua Fighter think of Virtua Fighter Kids? I never see it mentioned even though it came after 2.

My dad's Wolf could beat anyone. He doesn't even like fighting games, but something about VF Kids tapped into some hidden well of godlike skill when he played it.

 

[Genesis Knight]

What do fans of Virtua Fighter think of Virtua Fighter Kids? I never see it mentioned even though it came after 2.

I don't think it really adds anything to VF2, it was more of a cash-grab with SD art style from what I've read. It's not like Fighters Megamix where there are some VF3 elements incorporated.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I don't think it really adds anything to VF2, it was more of a cash-grab with SD art style from what I've read. It's not like Fighters Megamix where there are some VF3 elements incorporated.

They advertised the game as having character expressions like VF3.

 

[Teknoman]

I FINALLY DID IT.

1 down, 3 to go!

My thumbs haven't had a work out like that in forever.


Really wish the art and composers for the series would do an RPG or 3D adventure game for this generation.

 

[Splash Wave]

Is there a good list of recommended Saturn imports out there? I'm in Tokyo for the next few months, and I'd like to buy a system with a few games. I *loved* the Saturn when it came out, and I've always wanted to check out what's available from Japan.

edit: And what's a reasonable price to pay for a Saturn? I was pretty shocked to see they were going for ~$50 at Super Potato (which I understand is more expensive than other shops, but still!).

 

[Teknoman]

Is it just me, or on the Sega CD and Saturn, when playing using RGB, FMV games are grainier than they used to be? Or is it just I haven't played something like that in a long time, and now its just really evident?

Is there a good list of recommended Saturn imports out there? I'm in Tokyo for the next few months, and I'd like to buy a system with a few games. I *loved* the Saturn when it came out, and I've always wanted to check out what's available from Japan.

edit: And what's a reasonable price to pay for a Saturn? I was pretty shocked to see they were going for ~$50 at Super Potato (which I understand is more expensive than other shops, but still!).

Really most of the shoot em ups that aren't available here, and any English title title that's more than it should be yet doesn't have much in the way of text.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Is it just me, or on the Sega CD and Saturn, when playing using RGB, FMV games are grainier than they used to be? Or is it just I haven't played something like that in a long time, and now its just really evident?

Video compression artifacts are just more apparent when using a clear RGB video signal. RGB will clean up graphics that the hardware generates itself, but it won't help pre-rendered video playback.

 

[Theonik]

Video compression artifacts are just more apparent when using a clear RGB video signal. RGB will clean up graphics that the hardware generates itself, but it won't help pre-rendered video playback.

RGB just helps transmit content as it is generated on the consoles output with a much lower amount of distortion and clarity, it doesn't improve the signal that is generated. Pre-rendered video has more visible blemishes with RGB because many of those blemishes were hidden behind the poor output of composite. However, clarity is much better and the effect RGB has on the signal doesn't change.

Although it should be noted that video at the time was often optimised with the assumption that it would be viewed with composite.

 

[Teknoman]

Video compression artifacts are just more apparent when using a clear RGB video signal. RGB will clean up graphics that the hardware generates itself, but it won't help pre-rendered video playback.

RGB just helps transmit content as it is generated on the consoles output with a much lower amount of distortion and clarity, it doesn't improve the signal that is generated. Pre-rendered video has more visible blemishes with RGB because many of those blemishes were hidden behind the poor output of composite. However, clarity is much better and the effect RGB has on the signal doesn't change.

Although it should be noted that video at the time was often optimised with the assumption that it would be viewed with composite.

Glad it wasn't just me being over analytical then. Well, I can still enjoy D regardless.

 

[MikeMyers]

Just got Sega Rally.

Heard good things about this one.

 

[Splash Wave]

Really most of the shoot em ups that aren't available here, and any English title title that's more than it should be yet doesn't have much in the way of text.

What are those games, though?

 

[Teknoman]

What are those games, though?

Dodonpachi
Metal Black
Salamander Deluxe Collection
Daytona USA Championship Circuit Edition
Kingdom Grand Prix (its a shoot em up / Racer hybrid, so i'd check a video first)
Parodius Collection
Any Capcom fighting game
Cotton 2
Soukyugurentai
Saturn Bomberman
Hot Blooded Family
Panzer Dragoon 1 and 2
Outrun

That's about all I can think of atm.

If you can find HyperDuel or Blast Wind for super cheap...well you've got insane luck.

Speaking of, why is Radiant Silvergun still so expensive? Anything different in the Saturn version than the XBLA game?