https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/us/politics/budget-vote-senate.html
I think every Democrat + Rand Paul voted against.
I think every Democrat + Rand Paul voted against.
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Senate Approves Budget Plan That Smooths Path Toward Tax Cut
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Or any kind of social safety nets.I, for one, look forward to watching the government not have money to pay for their bloated military budget in the future.
x24hrs2livex
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I am happy the Senate got this done. I look forward to the ultra rich getting even more rich and us poor folk not having health care.
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SodiumBenzoate
Member
Before too many snarky posts get up, this is just a budget resolution. It's a framework that contains the instructions to allow them to pass a tax cut bill with 50 votes not the actual tax cut bill.
It's not even an actual budget, it's just the framework for one to be passed.
It's not even an actual budget, it's just the framework for one to be passed.
thekonamicode
Member
All things good gonna trickle down any minute now.
I am happy the Senate got this done. I look forward to the ultra rich getting even more rich and us poor folk not having health care./s
What would motivate you to live a healthy life style if you get health care? So the tax plan is a win-win. Makes rich richer and poor healthier.
Before too many snarky posts get up, this is just a budget resolution. It's a framework that contains the instructions to allow them to pass a tax cut bill with 50 votes not the actual tax cut bill.
It's not even an actual budget, it's just the framework for one to be passed.
Yeah, they passed a budget resolution with reconciliation instructions that allowed them to repeal Obamacare too.
Before too many snarky posts get up, this is just a budget resolution. It's a framework that contains the instructions to allow them to pass a tax cut bill with 50 votes not the actual tax cut bill.
It's not even an actual budget, it's just the framework for one to be passed.
Yeah, it's a bad sign, of course, but I do think it's at least worth clarifying this for now. The path is by no means immediate, especially when the real budget talks start happening and the news gets out about those steep cuts to Medicare and Medicaid.
God dammit Democrats. When Obama was in office you claimed you couldn't do anything worthwhile because of Republican obstruction, yet somehow the GOP is able to get shit passed without 60 votes.
We barely dodged Trumpcare, ffs. Now they're going to drive up the deficit to line billionaires' pockets, and the Democrats are going to just shrug and take it for three more years.
We barely dodged Trumpcare, ffs. Now they're going to drive up the deficit to line billionaires' pockets, and the Democrats are going to just shrug and take it for three more years.
OriginofHysteria
Banned
I'd Rand Paul like, the most useless Senator ever?
uncredited male
Member
because if youre a Republican and you dont want to simplify the tax code and cut taxes, what good are you to anybody?
Even Republicans know their platform is garbage.
Yeah, they passed a budget resolution with reconciliation instructions that allowed them to repeal Obamacare too.
Whether they managed to pass it in full, snark is still fully deserved for trying to fuck people. Just cause you've only passed a asshole resolution doesn't mean you don't deserve some shit for the aspirational assholery
God dammit Democrats. When Obama was in office you claimed you couldn't do anything worthwhile because of Republican obstruction, yet somehow the GOP is able to get shit passed without 60 votes.
We barely dodged Trumpcare, ffs. Now they're going to drive up the deficit to line billionaires' pockets, and the Democrats are going to just shrug and take it for three more years.
Most of this stuff *is* getting blocked though? Pay attention, matey
I, for one, look forward to watching the government not have money to pay for their bloated military budget in the future.
Fortunately that's not how our federal government and monetary system works.
Unfortunately that's what Republicans want you to think, but it's not so they stop paying the military, it's so they will cut out the safety net instead.
madstarr12
Member
Well, even the purists that disliked Hillary could have helped to stop this, but I guess the Senate candidates for NC, WI and PA were too "establishment" for them. What a mess.
God dammit Democrats. When Obama was in office you claimed you couldn't do anything worthwhile because of Republican obstruction, yet somehow the GOP is able to get shit passed without 60 votes.
We barely dodged Trumpcare, ffs. Now they're going to drive up the deficit to line billionaires' pockets, and the Democrats are going to just shrug and take it for three more years.
The GOP does something terrible and underhanded.
Damn Democrats!
Unknown One
Member
Fortunately that's not how our federal government and monetary system works.
Unfortunately that's what Republicans want you to think, but it's not so they stop paying the military, it's so they will cut out the safety net instead.
Pretty much, anybody looking at the history of the GOP would easily guess this and it will happen. Look at all the demonization against Medicare from the GOP for example.
God dammit Democrats. When Obama was in office you claimed you couldn't do anything worthwhile because of Republican obstruction, yet somehow the GOP is able to get shit passed without 60 votes.
We barely dodged Trumpcare, ffs. Now they're going to drive up the deficit to line billionaires' pockets, and the Democrats are going to just shrug and take it for three more years.
The Democrats did not control the House after 2010.
God dammit Democrats. When Obama was in office you claimed you couldn't do anything worthwhile because of Republican obstruction, yet somehow the GOP is able to get shit passed without 60 votes.
We barely dodged Trumpcare, ffs. Now they're going to drive up the deficit to line billionaires' pockets, and the Democrats are going to just shrug and take it for three more years.
Google reconciliation.
Then come back. Democrats are powerless to stop this, sadly.
Jack Scofield
Member
I love how the original Founding Fathers' vision of compromise is totally poisoned in this day and age. Why bother working with the other side when you take use loopholes to cut them out completely?
Pretty much, anybody looking at the history of the GOP would easily guess this and it will happen. Look at all the demonization against Medicare from the GOP for example.
OMG we have no money, need to cut the safety net!
Oh hey we cut things so much it's time for a tax cut for you! (but mostly the rich)
Oh noes now we're broke again. That darned safety net needs to gooooooo
Randolph Freelander
Member
Fortunately that's not how our federal government and monetary system works.
Unfortunately that's what Republicans want you to think, but it's not so they stop paying the military, it's so they will cut out the safety net instead.
Double unfortunately, Democrats also play that game with silly "pay for" rhetoric that reinforces Republican's verbal deficit fearmongering.
Unknown One
Member
OMG we have no money, need to cut the safety net!
Oh hey we cut things so much it's time for a tax cut for you! (but mostly the rich)
Oh noes now we're broke again. That darned safety net needs to gooooooo
Not just safety nets either. Got to cut education budgets!
Promises, promises, promises. As wonderful as that would be, they have the same chance of finally disappearing as cockroaches.”This is the last, best chance we will have to cut taxes," said Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina and a member of the Budget Committee, who warned that the consequences would be ruinous if the party failed.
”That will be the end of us as a party,"
Double unfortunately, Democrats also play that game with silly "pay for" rhetoric that reinforces Republican's verbal deficit fearmongering.
Yup, and they play right into the shit all the time even knowing that Republicans don't actually fucking care. Republicans get in power and blatantly say out loud the deficit doesn't matter, yet the Democrats are too fucking scared to.
Not just safety nets either. Got to cut education budgets!
Yeah that was the play in Wisconsin. Cut education and then give everyone this tiny ass fucking tax cut.
...thanks Walker?
Randolph Freelander
Member
As a wealthy person, I will never understand how worst off people think giving me tax cuts is going to help them in least.
You're going to start trickling it down.
Any minute now.
Why am I not surprised that someone with zero idea of what they are talking about is trying to find a way to pin this on Democrats.
They always do, one way or another. The Beast of Both Sides needs it's meat
As a wealthy person, I will never understand how worst off people think giving me tax cuts is going to help them in least.
Ps: I speak as a Canadian who also hears people complain about us being tax too much.
They're brainwashed morons.
Though tax cuts for the rich is actually very unpopular which is why Trump is lying and saying his plan doesn't do that.
I, for one, look forward to watching the government not have money to pay for their bloated military budget in the future.
Oh, they'll make sure there's money for that. Just nothing else.
As a wealthy person, I will never understand how worst off people think giving me tax cuts is going to help them in least.
Ps: I speak as a Canadian who also hears people complain about us being taxed too much.
Someday you'll create them a job!
In all seriousness, though, the job creator myth is ridiculous and the fact that people believe it and are so grateful to these mythical job creators that they'll keep cutting into oblivion is just sad. That's not how business or the economy works.
Promises, promises, promises. As wonderful as that would be, they have the same chance of finally disappearing as cockroaches.
Tax cuts will get done.
It's the single issue they care about. If they piss off their donors and publicly lose another battle, Graham is right. Which is exactly why it will pass, poor people be damned.
Earthbound64
Banned
That will be the end of us as a party, he said
Well, that escalated quickly.
I still dont get how this passes muster for reconciliation when it blows a multi-trillion dollar hole in the deficit. Doesn't this shit have to be revenue nuetral?
Don't worry, it'll be revenue-neutral once Medicare and Medicaid are gutted.
I still dont get how this paases muster for reconciliation when it blows a multi-trillion dollar hole in the deficit. Doesn't this shit have to be revenue nuetral?
They can increase the deficit for ten years.
Bush passed tax cuts using reconciliation. Obama allowed most of them to stay except the top rate.
Randolph Freelander
Member
I still dont get how this passes muster for reconciliation when it blows a multi-trillion dollar hole in the deficit. Doesn't this shit have to be revenue nuetral?
Only if it goes beyond a 10 year window. GWB's tax cuts were set to expire after 10 years for that reason before Obama extended (most of) them.
It actually still wont be. They're assuming its revenue nuetral based on growth that is actually impossible.Don't worry, it'll be revenue-neutral once Medicare and Medicaid are gutted.
Earthbound64
Banned
Only if it goes beyond a 10 year window. GWB's tax cuts were set to expire after 10 years for that reason before Obama extended (most of) them.
Silly question from someone who hasn't been paying attention, but... why did he do that?
Silly question from someone who hasn't been paying attention, but... why did he do that?
Because raising taxes pisses people off.
Saint Gregory
Member
Even Republicans know their platform is garbage.
I looked at that quote and thought to myself "they don't even care enough to try to hide what they're about anymore".
Earthbound64
Banned
Because raising taxes pisses people off.
But wouldn't it not have been raising them, but just not keeping them lowered?
(Technicality / matter of phrasing, but still).
Plus, why not lower them even more if people like that so much?
Obviously they like the services that come from them.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Silly question from someone who hasn't been paying attention, but... why did he do that?
Because the tax cuts he kept were on marginal rates impacting everyone, not just the wealthy. Keeping money in the hands of those who need it and who will spend it to support the economy is a good thing.
But wouldn't it have not been raising them, but just not keeping them lowered?
(Technicality / matter of phrasing, but still).
Plus, why not lower them even more if people like that so much?
Obviously they like the services that come from them.
In the land of attack ads that's raising taxes. Aside from that, economy was still a bit frail. Best to keep the lower cuts for people.
People should read this pretty nice summary on how we got here and the Republicans' "Two Santas" theory.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I'm not sure how far they can go before their constituents start realizing they are being duped. Don't feel like they can get away with gutting Medicare in particular, that's about the biggest "fuck you" they could possibly give their base.