balladofwindfishes
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This doesn't have the cuts the crazies want.
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Senate health-care draft repeals Obamacare taxes, bigger subsidies for low-income
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This doesn't have the cuts the crazies want.
The Chosen One
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I agree with this.
Sounds like Mitch found the secret sauce to get this passed in the Senate. That said, it may give them a short-term victory, but the one thing Obama did achieve, which can't be repealed, is that people now expect a higher standard for healthcare. A large majority of rust-belt Republicans and Trump voters may not directly say "healthcare is a right" but that's certainly what they're now expecting. In 2009 and 2010, repealing Obamacare was about stopping "Big Government" and returning to the status quo. But now in 2016/2017, it's about having a working healthcare system with low deductibles and good coverage. It's not about returning to the status quo pre 2009.
Sure there are a few vocal minority of Republicans in blood red GOP districts that want a Darwinistic health-scare system where only the well-off can afford quality healthcare. But that's not the majority of the country and that's why all these GOP healthcare bills keep polling at only 17-25% nationally. Obama has raised the standards for what people expect from their healthcare system and that hasn't sunk in yet for most Congressional Republicans.
This bill may give Republicans a short-term victory or reprieve. But in 4-5 years when Trumpcare leaves millions of middle class Americans with unaffordable or unusable health insurance, there will be a hard and sustaining backlash on the GOP because they will own this bill 100%. And the method in which they tried to pass this bill in secrecy will come to haunt them.
And on a side note, there are two things Democrats should be doing, which will give them long-term results.
1). Put together a legit "Repair Obamacare" plan. If they all agree it should be repaired, then actually offer legislation that shows what a repair would look like and actually get it scored by the CBO. Obviously Republicans won't touch it, but it'll give the American people a comparison and it'll show contrast with Republicans from both a substance and action standpoint. I really hope Democrats don't start the same cycle of trying to repeal the AHCA 1,000 times and then not actually have a credible plan when they get in power. Democrats need to stop being afraid of fighting on substance and actually present a "Repair Obamacare" plan.
2). Make sure this bill is called Trumpcare. Not Ryancare, GOP-care, or whatever. Call it Trumpcare. Donald Trump will go down as the most unpopular president in history and there's a strong possibly he won't even finish his first four year term. The substance of the ACHA is not what most Americans want and the Trump name is already becoming poisonous, so naming it Trumpcare will make it a lot easier for Democrats to get rid of it. There's going to be a point where the majority of the American public will want to erase anything related to the Trump presidency out of existence so they can fully turn the page. Republicans in 4-5 years may be eager to get the Trumpcare tattoo of their head after they've already reaped a few good years of tax cuts. The fact that Trump is already saying he wants a healthcare bill that's "less mean" than the House version means he's acutely aware the Trumpcare name is about to placed on a steaming pile of turds. Democrats shouldn't let Trump weasel his way out of taking credit and responsibility for it.
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Sounds like what Trump wanted: Obamacare is officially repealed, so Dems can't say criticize them for not doing what they said they would, but only after 2020, so until then any complaints people have can be thrown right back at Obamacare and the Democrats, and they will keep saying how if the Democrats are reelected they'll bring it back or keep it or make it worst. It essentially becomes a none-issue until after 2020, because people will give Republicans the benefit of the doubt.
smokeandmirrors
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Which is what they want. They can kill the poor off and have people still keep them in power! Win win!
If they're cutting nearly all of the taxes how the fuck are they going to pay for it
Giving states more flexibility for the waivers and what qualifies as a health plan is VERY concerning to me.
I think that is going to open a pandora's box if you don't have a Democratic gov which is silly
Giving states more flexibility for the waivers and what qualifies as a health plan is VERY concerning to me.
I think that is going to open a pandora's box if you don't have a Democratic gov which is silly
Anything that's left will die for lack of funding as they are cutting the taxes that helped pay for it. Those straggler bits will just die slower so that people aren't hit by it all at once and go into the rage that the Republicans fear.
Or do you think they don't realize that it won't be able to be sustained with the funding taxes cut.
I have a feeling AHCA plans will rival COBRA plans in several years in regards to premium prices -- if it passes, because they're not funding SHIT.
How are you getting a low income tax credit if no one else is being taxed to pay for it...
With insurance? You'd still have a lot of medical bills but could probably deal with it albeit over a long span of time if you're able to work
How are you getting a low income tax credit if no one else is being taxed to pay for it...
Without insurance? You'd be bankrupt
With insurance? You'd still have a lot of medical bills but could probably deal with it albeit over a long span of time if you're able to work
What is their to pay for when we've kicked everyone off and restricted what needs to be covered!
balladofwindfishes
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No Freedom Caucus member wants to be on record as voting for abortion funding. When dealing with districts of single issue voters, something like that becomes a problem.
So wait the bill allows states to get rid of the exchange but not allow insurance companies to exclude pre existing conditions? That really doesn't make sense. Can't insurance companies exclude pre existing conditions on everything but the exchange. How would this work in states that opt not to do the exchange. Would it just be everyone is allowed to join during the exchange months?
It would end their career.
GOP is gonna nuke the filibuster, they have to now if they think they can pass this
The Maverick
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If the GOP nukes the filibuster, they're done for. Not immediately, but it'd soon be the end of the party as we know it. McConnell is not putting that option on the table.
I think this bill will squeak by, unfortunately.
Discussion draft is now out: https://www.budget.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/SENATEHEALTHCARE.pdf
Arrogant Bastard
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Ugh.
Yah.
Yah.
balladofwindfishes
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How does this qualify for reconciliation?
They were specifically told that the abortion exception stuff for healthcare wouldn't fly under reconciliation
They added it anyway
So I guess they're killing the filibuster.
They were specifically told that the abortion exception stuff for healthcare wouldn't fly under reconciliation
They added it anyway
So I guess they're killing the filibuster.
RPGCrazied
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When is the CBC score? I just want to know the total amount of Americans that will lose healthcare that have it now. Its all that matters really.
balladofwindfishes
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Won't know until next week, it's still being scored. This is just a draft.
Because people are fucking misinformed idiots that play team sports with the lives of their families.
Expect CBO score Friday or Monday.
andythinkpad
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So is it a "soft" ACA exit? Somebody translate it to dumb ass language for me please.
balladofwindfishes
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This looks more like a repeal of Medicaid than anything...
Right. What happens to the exchanges and health care providers who left them? Middle class people really aren't concerned with Medicaid. They are concerned with controlling healthcare costs and having options.
They can die off happy then
This was the scary part to me as well. I live in Mississippi so I can not get behind this given the poor decisions made in the past regarding healthcare and EVERYTHING ELSE
https://twitter.com/ReutersLive/status/877907416981131267
Expect more in-depth dissection of the bill once outlets had time to read it through properly and take it apart.
For one year? What the hell?
Macho Madness
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BREAKING: Trump expresses hope Senate will pass health care plan `with heart,' says he'd welcome Democratic support.
https://twitter.com/ap/status/877908240159326208
I have no idea if he's trying to intentionally sabotage the bill or what.
https://twitter.com/ap/status/877908240159326208
I have no idea if he's trying to intentionally sabotage the bill or what.
Pretty much. I don't think it will be well received by the elderly for whom Medicaid pays part of nursing home costs.
But that's in the future, and we all know how well they vote for the future that won't affect them.
balladofwindfishes
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There are 70 million people insured by Medicaid!
And they thought the 20 million off insurance headline was bad... uh...
AstroNut325
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When can we expect a CBO score?
Arrogant Bastard
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Next week.
Sounds more like shifting the blame because he sees how sensitive healthcare is, even to his own base.
Duxxy3
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"Y'all are fucked"
Aren't the majority of folks on Medicaid the types that always and consistently vote Republican? Or is that Medicare?
balladofwindfishes
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No, Medicaid is for the poor, who generally vote Democrat. Medicare is for the elderly, and they generally vote Republican.
However, quite a lot of elderly rely on Medicaid as well (like my grandparents) because Medicaid has really good nursing home and home aide coverage (my grandpa uses the latter).
boiled goose
good with gravy
What about pre existing conditions and lifetime caps?
Those are two good things about aca that affect almost everyone, not just low income people.
Those are two good things about aca that affect almost everyone, not just low income people.
He'll just say that this bill actually has heart and will make things cheaper even if it demonstrably isn't true.
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