September Wrasslin' Thread Breaking Point and No Surrender

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Azuran said:
That tour is gonna bomb so hard. Have you guys checked the ticket prices? Hogan is officially senile.
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The prices are pretty standard for a wrestling event down here. It's all those meet and greet packages that are exorbitant.
 
Penguin said:
The only thing is... Bret isn't much of a mouthpiece...
So what would he do.
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Uh... what?

Do you not remember Bret in a wheelchair? He was awesome.
 
Penguin said:
The only thing is... Bret isn't much of a mouthpiece...
So what would he do.
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Just imagine what would happen on Raw when they play his music in Canada - and he ACTUALLY COMES OUT.

That's all he really needs to do.
 
mightynine said:
Just imagine what would happen on Raw when they play his music in Canada - and he ACTUALLY COMES OUT.

That's all he really needs to do.
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I actually think hes gonna manage Hart Dynasty. /loweredexpectations
 
Where are you Guzim!!

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/wherearetheynow/meanstreetposse

11777648


PETE GAS!

RODNEY!

JOEY ABS!
 
mightynine said:
Just imagine what would happen on Raw when they play his music in Canada - and he ACTUALLY COMES OUT.

That's all he really needs to do.
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Is there another ppv coming soon in Canada? I'd buy it for the reactions of the crowd only.
 
If you're bouncing around in this forum, you already know that CHIKARA is chock-full of awesomeness. But as you may have discovered, the wrestling world at large has yet to discover this well-kept secret. Luckily for us, thanks to the overwhelming success of Dragon Gate USA: Enter the Dragon (that pay-per-view dilly-o!) more and more people are starting to hear about us. ...still, it is not enough to satisfy our gigantic appetite for new fans!

To remedy this situation, we are issuing the CHIKARA Sampler DVD! It will be produced, processed and shipped out by our pals at Smart Mark Video.com! Starting Monday, September 28th, through October 3rd, this 2-hour set will be offered for the low, low price of just $1.99! Why would we do such a thing? Because we're hoping to give new fans a chance to check us out, and maybe convert to the CHIKARMY!

So, this is the part where you come in. Chances are, you visit other pro-wrestling websites, news boards, forums, the works. There are loads of places out there that never cover anything related to CHIKARA, but we want every site we can find to carry news about our Sampler DVD. We need people to find out about this offer, and through it, find out that inside them was a lil' CHIKARA fan they never knew existed.

As we've discovered, when it comes to selling people on CHIKARA, few do it as sincerely and passionately as you, our totally rad fans. That's why we're appealing to you to aid us in this cause. Come Monday, we'll have an official press release posted right here in this thread for you to cut and paste to death! We'll also cook up some banners and such to spread the word, and as soon as we get the info from SMV, we'll have the direct link to order the Sampler.

And just in case you're wondering exactly what will be on this Sampler of ours, here's the rundown:

1) Mike Quackenbush, Jigsaw, Helios & Lince Dorado
vs. Hallowicked, Frightmare, Hallowickedcito & Frightmarecito [from "Aniversario Yang"]

2) Eddie Kingston vs. Claudio Castagnoli [from "Aniversario Yang"]

3) F.I.S.T. vs. The Future is Now [from "King of Trios 2009 - Night 3"]

4) Kota Ibushi vs. Jigsaw vs. El Generico vs. Nick Jackson [from "King of Trios 2009 - Night 2"]

5) The Osirian Portal vs. The Colony [from "Revelation X"]

Plus these bonus materials will round out the disc:
a) Previously at CHIKARA: September 2009 Edition
b) Official Trailer for the DVD release of "Aniversario Yang"
c) CHIKARA Podcast-A-Go-Go, Episode # 173

As ever, thanks for your support, and thanks in advance for any help you can lend our team in spreading the word about this little venture of ours.

Your pals @ CHIKARA
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You should all buy this DVD. Those are some great matches (the 4th match is maybe my MOTY). It's also just $1.99. If you want to see something different from WWE, TNA or even ROH then this is a must buy. Like I said its just $1.99 so whats to lose?
 
GaimeGuy said:
Uh... what?

Do you not remember Bret in a wheelchair? He was awesome.
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Heel Bret Hart was cool, but really naturally he should be like a mouthpiece for the Hart Dynasty, if nothing else, he would most likely be considered a face, but that's just my thinking.
 
DKehoe said:
You should all buy this DVD. Those are some great matches (the 4th match is maybe my MOTY). It's also just $1.99. If you want to see something different from WWE, TNA or even ROH then this is a must buy. Like I said its just $1.99 so whats to lose?
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2 double cheeseburgers.

joking aside, i will pick it up. Good luck trying to get more attention to Chikara though. Despite all the bitching, most wrestling fansites and podcasts are devoted bashing WWE and TNA and lamenting the Attitude era more than anything else.
 
OMG if Bret comes back i will mark the fuck out. Hopefully he will give Cena a Sharpshooter or one of his famous piledrivers. I guess he will be used in some kind of GM role or something though, still if it happens it would be awesome.


Still not as good as the Rock returning though.
 
DKehoe said:
You should all buy this DVD. Those are some great matches (the 4th match is maybe my MOTY). It's also just $1.99. If you want to see something different from WWE, TNA or even ROH then this is a must buy. Like I said its just $1.99 so whats to lose?
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Eddie Kingston is worth the price alone.
 
Arhal_Katarn said:
OMG if Bret comes back i will mark the fuck out. Hopefully he will give Cena a Sharpshooter or one of his famous piledrivers. I guess he will be used in some kind of GM role or something though, still if it happens it would be awesome.


Still not as good as the Rock returning though.
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Bret Hart returning would be one of the biggest events in WWE history especially after all of the bad blood. I could see him leading the hart dynasty with CM Punk in the mix somehow. The smackdown equivalent to the legacy.

I would love it if Hart came back and said he was behind the new Montreal incident. He could a promo asking the undertaker how it feels to be cheated out of the championship in front of everyone and no one has the heart to speak up. Asking him where the undertaker was when Vince turned his back on him.

Doesn't matter what happens i would be hyped to see Bret back on my TV screen...
 
Watching WE Classics on Demand, SummerSlam 98

And well this PPV is butchered to hell, they got rid of the Highway to Hell song, pretty much half of the ring is blurred out. :lol

And they plaster the new logo over the old one for the title graphic.
 
avatar299 said:
2 double cheeseburgers.

joking aside, i will pick it up. Good luck trying to get more attention to Chikara though. Despite all the bitching, most wrestling fansites and podcasts are devoted bashing WWE and TNA and lamenting the Attitude era more than anything else.
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It annoys me that so many people complain about wrestling being bad just now but don't bother to look at anything other than WWE or maybe TNA. I think some people actually just like complaining about how things aren't as good as the attitude era. There is a load of awesome stuff just now. I realise the main problem is having to pay for it and there being a risk of not liking what you buy but like I said its just $1.99. All of the matches are great and three of them are Match of the Year contenders to me.
 
DKehoe said:
It annoys me that so many people complain about wrestling being bad just now but don't bother to look at anything other than WWE or maybe TNA. I think some people actually just like complaining about how things aren't as good as the attitude era. There is a load of awesome stuff just now. I realise the main problem is having to pay for it and there being a risk of not liking what you buy but like I said its just $1.99. All of the matches are great and three of them are Match of the Year contenders to me.
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That is 100% the situation. it's just easier to bitch and complain about Triple HHH and John Cena or whatever than to actually have a conversation about the wrestling industry as a whole, especially if your podcast and you are expected to update yourself every week.

Just look at the Bryan Danielson, Nigel Guinness move. Probably the biggest indy news of the year, news that completely shook up the top ranks of indy wrestling in America and all wrestling sites like wrestling-news, PWR, Angrymarks etc etc could do was have over and under polls about when Nigel would be fired and how, and I quote from Don Tony of wrestling- news.com

"stupid it was for Danielson to give a farewell speech at a dragongate show".
 
I just got a survey email from WWE about naming upcoming ppvs.

So far they've asked me about a ppv based around the elimination chamber..


How much do you like the following titles for a future WWE event where the main event matches are contested in an Elimination Chamber?

Chamber of Conflict
Heavy Metal
Elimination Chamber
Battle Chamber
No Way Out
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edit: that was the only question -_-
 
If Bret is truly serious about coming back, Vince better do everything in his power to make sure it works out. Bret would give them a massive ratings boost.
 
Penguin said:
Watching WE Classics on Demand, SummerSlam 98

And well this PPV is butchered to hell, they got rid of the Highway to Hell song, pretty much half of the ring is blurred out. :lol

And they plaster the new logo over the old one for the title graphic.
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Silver Vision, the UK distributers of WWE DVD's, are re-releasing old PPV's unblurred, because they still have the distribution rights to the original material and in the UK the WWF(wildlife fund) lost an appeal to THQ that prevented them from removing old copies of WWE games from shop shelves. *breathes*

I just got Wrestlemania X-7, haven't had a chance to watch it and see if all the music is intact, but I think it will be. *started DVD, the title track My Way is there* Hopefully Silver Vision will evantually release all the old PPV's like this, and I'll finally be able to get rid of all those old VHS's I have.
 
I thought I read that, yes. :lol

Per Chavo's twitter:
Chavo Guerrero posted a few messages on his Twitter account defending his ongoing storyline with Hornswoggle:

"You all realize that it's not wrestling anymore, right?" Guerrero wrote. "It's entertainment. Sometimes I wonder by your comments.

"You guys realize that I can out "wrestle" most guys in the WWE, right? The way you guys respond makes me think that you actually think I'm losing. It makes me think I'm responding to RETARDS! We're not the UFC. It's not real. I can beat up a midget any day of the week and so could you. But who wants to see that?"
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I see what he's saying, but it's not entertaining (anymore? lol). Chavo probably knows this, and the fact we rather see him wrestling Evan Bourne and having himself in a legitimate angle than wrestle, or lack thereof, with a midget.
 
DKehoe said:
You should all buy this DVD. Those are some great matches (the 4th match is maybe my MOTY). It's also just $1.99. If you want to see something different from WWE, TNA or even ROH then this is a must buy. Like I said its just $1.99 so whats to lose?
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I've seen most of the matches on the sampler already. I love CHIKARA too, it is definitely my favorite promotion to watch right now.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
So I gotta know, was Shawn Michaels' overselling vs. Hogan REALLY because Hogan wouldn't take the loss?:lol :lol :lol :lol It was amazing. Seriously.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYNGFP7jw7E&feature=related
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That's the story yeah. Also, Hogan was meant to return the favour but hurt his knee, a lot of people say he made the injury up to get out of it, and I'm pretty sure Shawn made a sly reference to that one time on a Raw.

I love that match btw, i truly believe that Shawn is a changed man since his return, but it's good to see the old dick-Michaels is still in there somewhere :D :D
 
Bored on the tube, and I really should be asleep, but listening to old PPV themes, and really wish they had kept these, but eh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE52xBR8ITA&feature=related
Original SNME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM64Z8uQQeA&feature=related
Better Known SNME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHJhhDSRJaE&feature=related
Wrestlemania

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEqoi4vyo-k
Survivor Series

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ6VWYutfHU
Royal Rumble

I can still hear Vince shouting (why did he always shout to show excitement?)
WELCOME TO..... event
 
DKehoe said:
It annoys me that so many people complain about wrestling being bad just now but don't bother to look at anything other than WWE or maybe TNA. I think some people actually just like complaining about how things aren't as good as the attitude era. There is a load of awesome stuff just now. I realise the main problem is having to pay for it and there being a risk of not liking what you buy but like I said its just $1.99. All of the matches are great and three of them are Match of the Year contenders to me.
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So true, I see it on every wrestling forum I post on - a ton of people bitching about how shit WWE/TNA is, and then when you show them some PWG all they can see is the fact that the show is held in some National Guard armory, with crappy lighting and no pyro - and it's at that point I question why in the hell they even watch wrestling.

Between PWG, Chikara, ROH, DDT, NOAH, Dragon Gate & NJPW i've seen some amazing wrestling this year and it saddens me to think that the majority of fans won't give these pormotions the time of day because they don't know the wrestlers, or because the productions crappy, or because it's foreign, or because they need a soap-opera storyline to keep interested.

If anyones interested in checking out some wrestling outside of their comfort zone, check out these shows as they're some of the best i've seen all year;

Chikara - 2009 King of Trios, Night 1, Night 2 & Night 3
Chikara - Young Lions Cup 7, Night 1, Night 2 & Night 3
PWG - Ninety-Nine
PWG - One Hundred
ROH - Supercard of Honor IV
ROH - Take No Prisoners 2009
 
And there's the problem ^^^^^^

No one wants to pay to watch DVD's of wrestling every week. Especially when the average fan doesn't even care about technical wrestling, or matches that last longer than 15 minutes. People say wrestling sucks because what's easiest to access for the masses generally DOES suck.
 
There are alternatives to paying for the DVDs, i'm not condoning piracy, but I doubt I would have become a regular follower of promotions like ROH, PWG & Chikara without it, I certainly wouldn't have spent as much as I have - downloading shows is a great way to introduce yourself to a promotion, i'm sure most of these promoters wouldn't begrudge new fans checking out their shows illegally if it means there's the chance that down the line they might become a fan of the promotion and start buying the merch.

Hell, the ROH TV show is FREE to watch on the ROHbrazil youtube channel, yet most people still ignore it. Why? There have been some down-right amazing matches since that show started, yet when I talk about them in here I feel like i'm talking to myself. Seriousley, watch this weeks episode - I doubt you'll see a better 6-man tag than Chris Hero & The American Wolves vs Bryan Danielson, Roderick Strong & KENTA this year.
 
I think a lot of people don't like to admit it but they like the spectacle of WWE events (the pyro, big arenas etc.) and as much as they complain about workrate and young guys not getting put over in those promotions they are put off by the lower production quality of Indys.
I do think downloading has its place in Indy wrestling. That's how I discovered Chikara. I downloaded one show to check it out but since then I have bought a bunch of their DVDs.
I really can't stress enough to people how great that DVD is especially at that price.
 
Charmicarmicat said:
That's the story yeah. Also, Hogan was meant to return the favour but hurt his knee, a lot of people say he made the injury up to get out of it, and I'm pretty sure Shawn made a sly reference to that one time on a Raw.

I love that match btw, i truly believe that Shawn is a changed man since his return, but it's good to see the old dick-Michaels is still in there somewhere :D :D
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even triple h says he still sees the "angry young kid" in hbk sometimes, so I think that is just part of who he is, he keeps it reigned in now though :lol
 
If you get Univision- there's always lucha at 3am. It's the Americanized promotion, but has plenty of good talent. ROH also has a TV show in some markets as well, if they're still in business.

Honestly, I don't think WWE or TNA is that bad these days. It's no worse that mid-90's WCW at least, except that you don't have the top end matches.
 
Chavo Guerrero posted a few messages on his Twitter account defending his ongoing storyline with Hornswoggle:

"You all realize that it's not wrestling anymore, right?" Guerrero wrote. "It's entertainment. Sometimes I wonder by your comments.

"You guys realize that I can out "wrestle" most guys in the WWE, right? The way you guys respond makes me think that you actually think I'm losing. It makes me think I'm responding to RETARDS! We're not the UFC. It's not real. I can beat up a midget any day of the week and so could you. But who wants to see that?"
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:lol He comes across like such a dick right here, like his whole comeback is 'yeah well if it were real i would beat that midget like it owed me money!?!' Fucking funny though :D
 
DKehoe said:
I think a lot of people don't like to admit it but they like the spectacle of WWE events (the pyro, big arenas etc.) and as much as they complain about workrate and young guys not getting put over in those promotions they are put off by the lower production quality of Indys.
I do think downloading has its place in Indy wrestling. That's how I discovered Chikara. I downloaded one show to check it out but since then I have bought a bunch of their DVDs.
I really can't stress enough to people how great that DVD is especially at that price.
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I guess I'm just different. I really don't like the overly produced stuff.

I like the smaller arenas, being closer to the action and the talent actually interacting and playing off of the crowd. That's probably a big part of why TNA appeals to me more than WWE these days.


There's a reason WWE has toned down the spots and workrate... it's to protect the guys so they can actually work the 4 days a week of getting their asses kicked. I kind of take it with the product. There's still glimpses of greatness, but those are usually reserved for the guys who still "GET" the business and unfortunately are on the cusp of retirement.
 
arstal said:
ROH also has a TV show in some markets as well, if they're still in business.
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Even if you don't get HDnet you can watch the TV show on the ROHbrazil youtube channel; http://www.youtube.com/user/ROHBrazil

Also, unless you believe some of the junk printed in the dirt sheets ROH isn't going anywhere. Hell, a few months back the dirt sheets claimed ROH were in deep trouble and couldn't even pay their wrestlers, yet fast forward two months and they're still expanding into new markets and flying in Japanese talent.
 
Bootaaay said:
Even if you don't get HDnet you can watch the TV show on the ROHbrazil youtube channel; http://www.youtube.com/user/ROHBrazil

Also, unless you believe some of the junk printed in the dirt sheets ROH isn't going anywhere. Hell, a few months back the dirt sheets claimed ROH were in deep trouble and couldn't even pay their wrestlers, yet fast forward two months and they're still expanding into new markets and flying in Japanese talent.
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Um... their paychecks were bouncing.
The HDnet deal is drainign them dry and well as their DVD sales slipping... bad combo.

Don't be surprised if the talent leaves en masse. They're flying in Japanese talent to help cover the talent losses.


Already left:
Nigel
Danielson
D-lo

Possibly left:
Cabana

LOTS of interest:
Tyler Black


That's tough to recover from....
 
Outcast2004 said:
Um... their paychecks were bouncing.
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So sayeth the dirt sheets, but it's not like these guys are unbookable anywhere else, if ROH can't pay their wages why are they still busting their hump for ROH week in week out when they could be picking up more bookings in promotions that can actually pay their wages?

Outcast2004 said:
The HDnet deal is drainign them dry and well as their DVD sales slipping... bad combo.
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The HDnet deal costs them next to nothing - HDnet provide and pay for the entire production, while ROH has to cover the cost of running the show. The only major downsides to the deal are that they have to film in Philly and judging by the recent attendances the crowd are getting burned out on the TV taping format, so they are having to give out a lot of comp tickets to fill out the numbers - that certainly has to be costing them, and the fact that they can't recoup DVD sales from the TV taped shows.

Outcast2004 said:
They're flying in Japanese talent to help cover the talent losses.
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They've just had KENTA over and he's coming back in November, but thats it as far as Japanese talent goes, even so i'm sure it's not cheap flying in the GHC JR. Heavyweight Champ - if anything, they're looking to the rest of the indies for more talent to fill the void, just like ROH has always done.

Outcast2004 said:
LOTS of interest:
Tyler Black
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Even the dirt sheets can agree that while there's interest, he's contracted to ROH. If anyone else goes, i'd suspect it'd be the Briscoes. Also, while Cabana had a dark match for TNA, I can't see him being put to good use in that promotion.
 
Bootaaay said:
So sayeth the dirt sheets, but it's not like these guys are unbookable anywhere else, if ROH can't pay their wages why are they still busting their hump for ROH week in week out when they could be picking up more bookings in promotions that can actually pay their wages?
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One word.... exposure. Even with it's current issues, they're still the #1 indy in the US.
I seen from more than one source they are having payroll problems.



Bootaaay said:
The HDnet deal costs them next to nothing - HDnet provide and pay for the entire production, while ROH has to cover the cost of running the show. The only major downsides to the deal are that they have to film in Philly and judging by the recent attendances the crowd are getting burned out on the TV taping format, so they are having to give out a lot of comp tickets to fill out the numbers - that certainly has to be costing them, and the fact that they can't recoup DVD sales from the TV taped shows.
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ROH's situation requires that they must come close to selling out a show to make any sort of money. So comp tickets = BAD.

Also factor in their money horse, the DVDs, has been slowing.





Bootaaay said:
Even the dirt sheets can agree that while there's interest, he's contracted to ROH. If anyone else goes, i'd suspect it'd be the Briscoes. Also, while Cabana had a dark match for TNA, I can't see him being put to good use in that promotion.
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If ROH goes under, he wont have to worry about said contract.
 
On another forum I go to there is a guy who works for ROH (he isn't just making this up, its been proven) has said that although money is tight just now they won't be shutting down anytime soon.
 
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