Serial: Season 01 Discussion - This American Life meets True Detective

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The OP says any external research should be spoiler tagged, not banned outright.

However, that specific thing I got from this topic in another spoiler tag. I refuse to actually research this story further until the whole season is done :P

I mean, as long as you don't ruin the experience for me, I'm cool.
like, I didn't want to know that jay pleaded guilty to being an accomplice; that's why I flipped out earlier.
I just want to discuss the podcast now, not so much the case until the season is over.
 
I thought Deidre was largely full of shit. Her opinions on determining who tells the truth vs who doesn't, the number of charming sociopaths in the wild, and other aspects of the case held no weight with me. I'm only interested in her team's investigation of the forensic evidence: does it still exist? Can it be analyzed further? Might we find DNA linking the crime to a known criminal, Jay, or Adnan?
But you state yourself
Anyway, I am rambling. My point is, in a prison setting a large percentage of the population are sociopaths, and a fraction of those will be of the charming, glib variety Deidre mentions.
In other words, not actually that common to have charming sociopaths out in the wild. I imagine not all sociopaths come with the exact same personality?
 
The Best Buy Maps
http://serialpodcast.org/posts/2014/11/the-best-buy-maps

Ja’uan and Jay's maps of where Adnan parked at the Best Buy parking lot...

Ja’uan’s map of where he and Adnan parked matches up almost exactly with Jay’s map for January 13. Sarah and I drove to the Best Buy and this is definitely the most secluded part of the parking lot. It’s around the corner from the entrance to the store, there’s a row of trees on the side of it, and something that looks like an empty lot directly in front.

http://i.imgur.com/xFjEzaK.jpg
 
Top six things that need to be believed or explained away for Adnan to be innocent

Track practice in the rain - If Adnan's at track practice, it's 50 degrees and raining around 4:30pm on 1/13. It's the only day track practice would have been held in the rain during that week and possibly ended early. Someone check's Adnan's voicemail at 5:14pm, that likely required a passcode to check, so either practice ended around 5pm and he called Jay to pick him up (4:58pm incoming call, phone is at or near Jay's House) or someone else (Jay) is using the voicemail account too.

The Nisha Call - Someone else called Nisha and talked to her, or her answering machine, for over two minutes (3:30pm, phone is at or near Adnan's house). Of all times and all places for that to happen, butt dial, crank call, etc. at or near Adnan's House, it was coincidentally shortly after the murder of his ex-girlfriend.

Asking Hae for a ride - Adnan asked Hae for a ride that day, she said no (per Krista and Officer Adcock). He would have subsequently decided he didn't need a ride anywhere and gone to the library and then to track practice instead. Asia may have seen him at the library that day, but also believes she was snowed in that night. It didn’t start snowing until 4am on 1/14.

Adnan gave his cell to Jay a second time that day - After finishing the call with Officer Adcock at 6:28pm, he would have had to give his cell to Jay and drop him off somewhere before it was used twice in Leakin Park at 7:09pm. The cell tower and specifically the directional antenna used for these calls definitely places the phone in or around Leakin Park at that time. Additionally, a 6:59pm call to Yaser's cell would also have to have been made by Jay or someone else. The Yaser cell call and 7pm Jenn pager call hit the tower/antenna near Woodlawn High.

Jay would have needed to get out of Adnan's car after driving away from Cathy’s at 6:30pm and find another ride to Leakin Park by 7:09pm.

Jay would have needed to give Adnan his cell back sometime between 8:05pm-9pm at Adnan's house. The phone leaves Leakin Park just after 8pm and arrives at Adnan's house by 9pm for calls to Nisha, Krista, Krista again, Nisha again, and Yaser’s cell from 9pm-10pm.
 
Coworker mentioned this to me on Thursday, I tried out the first earlier this afternoon, and yeah, listened straight through all seven. This is awesome.
 
Interesting. That area at best buy is a lot more secluded than what I pictured
It's somewhat secluded but it's still...I don't know that area still seemed risky as hell, though I guess if he had been there with Hae before, it is a spot she's familiar with.

That said I wonder how much of the roads has changed in 15 years. Thanks for the link it was interesting to see.
 
I was traveling last weekend, so I took the time to listen to the first seven episodes. It's a riveting series/podcast so far, and I can understand why it's garnered this much attention.

I also read through an NPR article this morning on the nature of Serial and how it might conclude. Some of you might find this interesting:

- What Is An Ending? 'Serial' And The Ongoing Story Of Wanting Too Much
Part of the hook of the fine podcast Serial, spun off from This American Life and hosted by Sarah Koenig, is that it feels exactly like the grungy, procedurally exacting, multi-episode stories that are so popular right now on television. It feels so much like a great series on Showtime or HBO; it has the flavor of the anticipation and blind alleys and you-gotta-see-this social anticipation of True Detective or Fargo. (Slate has, rather amusingly, created a separate podcast about the Serial podcast that literally creates a new episode to analyze each new episode.) Buzzfeed, in fact, called it "The Year's Best New Crime Drama."

But of course, it's not that. It's not a "crime drama." It's reporting on a real case — that of Adnan Syed, who has been in prison for almost 15 years for the murder of his girlfriend in 1999, when he was 17. And according to the show's description of itself, it's not telling a story that began with an ending in mind: "We'll follow the plot and characters wherever they take us and we won't know what happens at the end of the story until we get there, not long before you get there with us." It's a very good show, and it's been very well received, and it may very well wind up making a lot of people angry.
More via the link.
 
The way she describes Jay's reaction to Adnan insisting he is innocent all these years later was interesting.

Still weird how comfortable the show is in portraying Jay as a possible murderer if they don't have any new information about his involvement.
 
Still weird how comfortable the show is in portraying Jay as a possible murderer if they don't have any new information about his involvement.
He is the only person definitely factually linked to the crime (based on his knowledge of the location of the car, etc). They aren't projecting that onto him.
 
Based on this episode, I feel like we might end up getting either the "Adnan did it" end or the "Inconclusive" end unless Sarah is holding back info on a 3rd party. The existence of a 3rd person, which seems to get brought up in the past several episodes, seems to be one of the last big hanging questions right now. We're also missing a lot of info on Don and his role in all of this. Still so many unanswered questions. Jay, while being a wealth of knowledge, isn't talking and almost seems like a dead end at this point.

He is the only person definitely factually linked to the crime (based on his knowledge of the location of the car, etc). They aren't projecting that onto him.

Yup. Jay has all the answers and isn't talking about it. I can understand why he wouldn't though if he is has been telling the truth about Adnan and the death of Hae. I think most of us would want to leave that time in the past and just forget about it and give most people the cold shoulder when it gets brought up. Even if Jay is free, he's still shackled to the dead of Hae and his involvement.
 
What the fuck! Every week I think Jay did something, then the next Adnan is a fucking liar. Then a minute later I'm thinking Jay did it, then Adnan. I'm just so confused...

I hope Stephanie is interviewed.
 
It's somewhat secluded but it's still...I don't know that area still seemed risky as hell, though I guess if he had been there with Hae before, it is a spot she's familiar with.

That said I wonder how much of the roads has changed in 15 years. Thanks for the link it was interesting to see.

I haven't listened to this podcast yet so I don't know how much in depth they went into this but Woodlawn is risky as hell. I used to work at that library next to that high school for about 2 years and we would have to have an armed officer in the branch because a lot of the kids would come to the library and cause trouble. There have been a few cases of rapes at the high school over a few years.

I drive from the library once to that Best Buy and it can be easily done in less than 20 min. Yes, that parking is very secluded; felt kinda isolated when I was there. It is a prime spot for something bad to happen.
 
I was traveling last weekend, so I took the time to listen to the first seven episodes. It's a riveting series/podcast so far, and I can understand why it's garnered this much attention.

I also read through an NPR article this morning on the nature of Serial and how it might conclude. Some of you might find this interesting:

- What Is An Ending? 'Serial' And The Ongoing Story Of Wanting Too MuchMore via the link.

I get the feeling that this is probably going to be the case. It's going to be hard for some people to end it all without a real 'resolution', even though we know in real life you don't always get that.
 
I get the feeling that this is probably going to be the case. It's going to be hard for some people to end it all without a real 'resolution', even though we know in real life you don't always get that.
At which point we can start really discussing it. Someone can track down the people from last podcast as well
 
She sounds like a sketch comedy version of a lawyer. Also hated that drive-by "Jay took a plea deal but we'll discuss that later" moment. I want to know now in the podcast!

TODAY is the day. It's the episode all about Jay

to me, it's the most important episode :D
 
The binge is over :( Now I must wait.

I really don't want to think about not having a resolution, as likely as that sounds.
 
Not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread but I love the music they've used throughout the series run. Fits the tone perfectly.
 
Interesting story if true about the threats from Adnan towards Jay about Stephanie. It gives Jay a reason to tell someone. I was having a difficult time trying to figure out why he came forward about what happened especially if he played a role in burying her but that would give him a reason
 
Adnan's lawyer has the most annoying voice in history, wow.

I'm genuinely surprised Jay didn't just give up after an hour of listening to her and confess if he was the killer. Prison is preferable to that.
 
I lean towards Adnan doing it but the main thing I have a problem getting my head around is the letter from Asia. It makes absolutely no sense. The pressure from the family doesn't seem believable to me
 
Maybe it's confirmation bias, but this ep didn't change how I feel about Jay one bit.

It's kind of hard to say because I feel that the story has been heavily weighted towards Adman's innocence. There's been so little information about Jay that we are forced to see him as a "bad" element of the story.
I think this episode did shed some light on his character.
 
I felt bad, but I while listening I wondered if the jury was more inclined to believe Jay partially because Adnan's lawyer was so abrasive and aggressive. I realize that jurors are supposed to look past stuff like that but, man...
 
This episode didn't really change anything for me. I'm still adamant that Jay either did it or was involved with the killing beyond what he said his role was.
 
This episode didn't really change anything for me. I'm still adamant that Jay either did it or was involved with the killing beyond what he said his role was.

What do you see as Jay's motive if he is the killer? And why do you think he chose to come forward and implicate Adnan, putting himself at risk for prosecution, when there did not seem to be any evidence implicating tying Jay to the murder?
 
They said in some interviews that they plan for a 12 episode series but it could change if new evidence comes or change something.

Ohh......awesome! From episode 1 they only had 8 episode slots on their site, so I had just assumed all along they were going to finish after 8.
 
The version of events that Jay told to Chris, where Adnan came to the pool hall with the body and subsequently threatened Stephanie, rang WAY more true to me than any of the other accounts so far.

I wonder how long we're gonna have to wait for season 2 after this ends.
 
TODAY is the day. It's the episode all about Jay

to me, it's the most important episode :D

Yeah they mention that in the beginning of today's episode, but she says they'll elaborate on the deal in a later episode. Really wish she had made this one like an hour instead. He's like the center of this whole thing.
 
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