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Settlement reached for families of 3 high school students who died after hypnosis
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Psyching yourself up is essentially a form of hypnosis. You, through the power of suggestion, increase your own focus/awareness of yourself and your surroundings, and your concentration on a achieving a particular goal is enhanced.
Have you ever said, "Come on, Pez, you can do this" when faced with a challenge? Even something as stupid as beating a hard portion of a game?
That's basically hypnosis.
PezDispenser
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I get the basic idea,I was looking for a source like a study that either supported or disproved the idea that it works, and if so how well. If you've got any, post them!
water_wendi
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Theres a lot of studies on hypnotherapy. Heres a very interesting one from May of this year.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810015000033
davepoobond
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there was a hypnosis video on youtube that i watched once. it was like 30 minutes long, i followed the instructions, and it ended up feeling like it was only 5 minutes through the whole ordeal
it freaked me out.
it freaked me out.
PezDispenser
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Wow, that is absolutely nuts
The Spoony Hou
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I know there are people who don't believe in acupuncture, but I didn't know there are some who think hypnosis isn't real. Wow.
What did you think hypnotism was? Like magic? As far as I know it is bringing a subject into a state where they are more willing to accept suggestions. Some people are more susceptible to it than others and I think they usually do a test with the audience to pick out people who are easily influenced.
And I do think you can make people do things they normally would not do. For example if you asked someone if they would go on stage in front of a crowd of a hundred people and cluck like a chicken would most people say yes?
Hypnosis, I think, is like tricking the brain. Similar principles to hypnosis are also applied in commercials and sales tactics.
For example: they ask a series of innocuous questions you are likely to say yes to before they ask you to buy something. This is to get you into a more agreeable state.
I think I read once that with hypnosis when they ask you to focus on a certain point it is to make your eyes strain, so they can suggest you're getting sleepy and your eyes are getting heavier. You see your eyes will be wanting to close because they're straining, though originally it was not necessarily because you're getting sleepy. They try to trick your brain with this suggestion.
As an aside to underline the power of suggestion: Is there anyone who wants to significantly increase their risk of themselves and those around them getting cancer for no real benefit?
water_wendi
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Yea its both frightening and cool. The advances in neuroscience and testing the theories behind the technology is exciting stuff.
If anyone wants to get a very basic primer on hypnotherapy theres a 2 hour lecture on Youtube made available by HMI College of Hypnotherapy.
Hypnosis 101: Foundations in Hypnotherapy
GrotesqueBeauty
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GAF only believes in science (as an amorphous catch all for popular opinion), empiricism (meaning if it hasn't happened to them specifically it's impossible), and fear of mods. What sort of fairy tale world do you live in?
PezDispenser
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Definitely frightening, unless I'm missing something it seems to suggest that if we could somehow directly manipulate RP, the target wouldn't just comply- he'd be convinced he was acting on his own free will.. Which is apparently an illusion anyway? Is that bit generally accepted now?
GAF who? Have some people here been mean to you or something? Want to talk about it?
GrotesqueBeauty
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I don't think I can get past the trauma just like that. Maybe if you hypnotized me though...
super-heated plasma
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My exes high school had a grad party and they brought in a hypnotist. He hypnotized 6 kids on stage. It was wild. They were doing all sorts of crazy shit and none of them remembered after. Turned me into a believer.
blame space
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basically everything is hypnosis
Well I'm sure one of us is going to fall asleep at least...
GrotesqueBeauty
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Basically... everything? Is... hypnosis ...
Are you trying to get in my pants now?
Because it's totally working.
Crimson Streak
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Just type Derren Brown on youtube.
He's a popular showman who uses hypnosis and slight of hand, but lots of prep work goes into hypnotic suggestion that they don't show viewers. Also participants have to be vulnerable to suggestion for it to work.
Hypnosis is very real and is not all that impressive when you think about it. It is just another form of suggestion that everyone is susceptible at some level. There is a reason subliminal advertising is banned on TV and McDonalds uses red and yellow in its logo.
He's a popular showman who uses hypnosis and slight of hand, but lots of prep work goes into hypnotic suggestion that they don't show viewers. Also participants have to be vulnerable to suggestion for it to work.
Hypnosis is very real and is not all that impressive when you think about it. It is just another form of suggestion that everyone is susceptible at some level. There is a reason subliminal advertising is banned on TV and McDonalds uses red and yellow in its logo.
hurricanes
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Wow 2015 and people don't know about hypnotherapy? Ignorance is really strong here.
And I can't believe the principle can get of so easily. Isn't this neglect homicide?
And I can't believe the principle can get of so easily. Isn't this neglect homicide?
timetokill
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I mean, I'm aware it exists, but it always seemed like quack bullshit.
Randomizer123454444
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Hypnosis, placebo, nocebo. These prove your brain has more control over you than you think. If you think you should feel pain, you will. If you think you should feel better, you will. If you think you should be doing something because the nice man said so, you will. It's why hypnosis can work, it's why prayer can work, it's why being confident can work.
The Best part is, once you realize this, you can use it to improve yourself.
The kids were not forced to kill themselves. But they might have been pushed over the edge.
The Best part is, once you realize this, you can use it to improve yourself.
The kids were not forced to kill themselves. But they might have been pushed over the edge.
It's interesting to read people's attitudes on hypnosis and especially how many people don't believe that it's real. We can submit this topic for one of the many threads we have on people holding unscientific beliefs.
Hypnotism is real. It can also be quite terrifying, and it is not simply an increased susceptibility to suggestion, as some posters are implying. It also forces you to concentrate to the point where you can do things that you would otherwise be unable (or unwilling, in the context of self-inhibited behavior) to do.
Hypnotism is real. It can also be quite terrifying, and it is not simply an increased susceptibility to suggestion, as some posters are implying. It also forces you to concentrate to the point where you can do things that you would otherwise be unable (or unwilling, in the context of self-inhibited behavior) to do.
InfiniteBento
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This is beyond bizarre. Hypnosis killing three people (kind of) and then that guy only get a year probation plus the families settled for $200,00? This all sounds like something out of Final Destination.
NoblesseOblige
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If I remember right from my psych class hypnosis 'works' if the participants believe it works.
CarpeDeezNutz
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Haha I was going to experiment with one but then noped out of it.
Edit: not many people aware of hypnotherapy?
Well, um, hrmmm...
I practice hypnosis. It's real, I assure you. No, it's not like Hollywood portrays.
However, for those that say you can't make someone do something they don't agree with or wouldn't otherwise do, unfortunately you can and I've seen it happen.
The main issue is that we like to pretend our views are black and white, but we are all suggestible to certain things and have had moments in our lives where we were talked into doing things we were originally against. Hypnosis can do the same to certain people.
Typically, the hypnosis I was involved with always involved someone else there to assist. I keep things private now. Currently, my fiance rather enjoys the experience (it can certainly "enhance" a few sensations and perceptions.... *cough*).
I'm actually quite surprised how many people think it's all bunk or view it as some mystical mutant superpower mind control ability. It's actually pretty common. Everyone's brains always shut down certain perceptions and senses and focus on others, otherwise all the distractions of life would overwhelm us. All hypnosis is, in effect, a form of self-hypnosis.
I practice hypnosis. It's real, I assure you. No, it's not like Hollywood portrays.
However, for those that say you can't make someone do something they don't agree with or wouldn't otherwise do, unfortunately you can and I've seen it happen.
The main issue is that we like to pretend our views are black and white, but we are all suggestible to certain things and have had moments in our lives where we were talked into doing things we were originally against. Hypnosis can do the same to certain people.
Typically, the hypnosis I was involved with always involved someone else there to assist. I keep things private now. Currently, my fiance rather enjoys the experience (it can certainly "enhance" a few sensations and perceptions.... *cough*).
I'm actually quite surprised how many people think it's all bunk or view it as some mystical mutant superpower mind control ability. It's actually pretty common. Everyone's brains always shut down certain perceptions and senses and focus on others, otherwise all the distractions of life would overwhelm us. All hypnosis is, in effect, a form of self-hypnosis.
it's pretty dangerous.
hypnosis is a real thing but the person must let the other person hypnotize them. that's how it works. if you don't believe in it, it will never work on you.
Wow, I always thought that hypnosis was all 100% placebo, like self suggestion and stuff. Doing a bit more research it looks like the stereotypical Posthypnotic amnesia is an actual thing. I had no idea it's supposedly so "powerful". Now I really wanna try being hypnotised just to see what it's like.
This is kind of like what happened to me when I watched the last season of Dexter, except I was screaming for it to end.
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Coffee Dog
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It is 100% placebo. The person doing the hypnotizing isn't a wizard. It's something that you convince someone to do to themselves.
It does work on some people. We used to have this entertainer come to my university. He would pick 20 people out of the crowd and hypnotize them. Maybe five out of the twenty didn't take, but those who did go under were absolutely, 100% legit hypnotized. One of my teammates did it and he did things on that stage that he would NEVER do in real life.
backflip10019
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Yeah, I once watched a video on Youtube that really put me into a strange trance. Made me feel great about myself when I was watching it. Let me see if I can find it.
Edit: Found it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-mE4yvmhB8
Edit: Found it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-mE4yvmhB8
Don't.
entremet
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Yes.
The stuff you see in movies and TV is just one very small aspect about it.
It's more subtle than that.
timetokill
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entremet
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Look it up. It's legit, but the showman stuff is completely a small and entertaining aspect of it.
It's basically using your brain's OS against you. It's also common in persuasion techniques.
The showman stuff doesn't work on everyone, but that's only a small part of real hypnosis.
Yes, have you never been to show where your like co-workers are asked to do things they would NEVER f'* do in a million years. It's pretty interesting. It doesn't work on every one, you have to be susceptible to suggestion.
Rockman Wright
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both my sister and brother did get hypnose sceance, to help managing their stress and to stop smoking!
It's nothing like the bullshit you see in the movie, it's real! It's not some mumbo-jumbo, it's just some kind of deeper psychanalyse, the guy who hypnose people doesn't have any power! It just make you relaxe, say the right words, and so on...
a few seance and they were really better! I know a lot of people who did it here! That doesn't work on everyone, some people are less receptive, but it's real
It's nothing like the bullshit you see in the movie, it's real! It's not some mumbo-jumbo, it's just some kind of deeper psychanalyse, the guy who hypnose people doesn't have any power! It just make you relaxe, say the right words, and so on...
a few seance and they were really better! I know a lot of people who did it here! That doesn't work on everyone, some people are less receptive, but it's real
timetokill
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I'll have to look into it. Seems so crazy to me.
I haven't seen anybody I know personally get hypnotized. Everytime I've seen it I figured it was a plant or somebody just playing along for the crowd.
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entremet
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Yeah, it's not like Hawkeye in the first Avengers flick lol. It's not mind control.
You know who is a trained hypnotist?
Noted atheist and skeptic and creator of Dilbert--Scott Adams.
Here's is is talking about it.
https://reason.com/reasontv/2015/10/06/dilberts-scott-adams-politics-philosophy
And here he is talking about this same story, which he actually calls bullshit due to his knowledge of hypnosis:
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/130747201026/florida-school-board-believes-principal-is-a
Coffee Dog
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Do you believe in advertising and marketing? It's all the same stuff.
The crowd setting plays into why it works on stage shows. They just aren't doing it consciously; if you think you're supposed to do what the hypnotist says you'll do, you will.
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