timetokill
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Thanks, I'm gonna read it now.
As somebody with a BS with emphasis in marketing, sure. But I really doubt it's the "same stuff."
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Settlement reached for families of 3 high school students who died after hypnosis
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Thanks, I'm gonna read it now.
As somebody with a BS with emphasis in marketing, sure. But I really doubt it's the "same stuff."
Coffee Dog
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It's persuasion without the person realizing its persuasion, is what I meant.
timetokill
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Ah, I see.
That disappoints me and actually makes me lose a little respect for Scott Adams since he seems to miss or ignore some major stuff, while presenting a passionate defense of something he obviously supports/practices himself.
1. Why is he talking about how it's impossible because hypnotism can't be used to convince someone to harm themselves? The situation was, struggling highschool students and someone trying to do unlicensed therapy. Depressed people can be nudged in bad directions, on purpose or not, regardless of whether the principal wanted them to. I thought the point was that it sounded like negligence trying to do it himself instead of having a licensed psychological professional do it (the court case mentions that the same principal was warned 3 times by a higher-up not to practice hypnosis before ever treating those students).
2. He says, "In this context, 'after' does not mean immediately after."...yet according to the report and court case, one of the students hung himself either the same day or the day after a sesson.
3. He says, "I can imagine no scenario in which a hypnotist is helping a basketball player learn to relax at the free throw line and accidentally convinces the subject to kill himself next week.", yet doesn't mention one of the examples -- someone trying to improve SAT scores, and hanging themselves after SAT scores did not improve.
There are troubled teenagers everywhere, and for 2-3 to die in the same year in the same school at least suggests the unlicensed therapy might have muddied the mental waters.
*edit* For people just tuning in looking for sources, there was a .gov study link about hypnosis and pain management earlier in the thread -- so it's apparently at least been studied in that regard.
Buddha Beam
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I've been hypnotized. It absolutely works. It's a weird sensation. You're completely aware of it and you feel like you could break out of it at any time, but you feel strongly compelled not to to the point where you can't, for all intents and purposes.
timetokill
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Sounds terrifying!
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I believe this was a British series of books and tv show.
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GrotesqueBeauty
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I can vouch for Scott Adams' expertise in hypnosis. Whenever I try to read his Dilbert comics my eyes glaze over, my attention wanes, and I'm overcome with the overwhelming urge to nod off.
I think we have found the three holy rules of off-topic.
Compelled is a strong word. I would say "greatly apathetic" to breaking out.
That does not sound like fun
Or maybe it sounds like a dream....which does sound like fun
partyphone
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we've got this and the acupuncture thread. all we need is a homeopathy thread to score a bullshit science trifecta.
water_wendi
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What led you to the conclusion that hypnotherapy is bullshit?
Stronghammer22
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Sure, if someone is willing and basically offers themselves to the hypnotist, it might do something. It's not like he/she can go around hypnotizing random people though. That's where I think a lot of the 'bullshit' posts are coming from. That is also where I stand. It might do something under very specific circumstances with a willing participant, but that's about as far as I'm going to go with my belief of hypnosis.
Coincidentally, I just saw this story on CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/08/health/children-sleep-book/index.html
The words were chosen for a certain language pattern. The book comes with instructions about which words should be read calmly and slowly, and which words are emphasized. The phrase "fall asleep now" is used often, and the book includes a muscle-relaxing exercise.
"Ehrlin says the book uses relaxation and psychological techniques to lure little ones to sleep."
I suppose people have been trying to get children to sleep for thousands of years and it's not so different from lullabys or something, but the description sounds rather bizarre.
The words were chosen for a certain language pattern. The book comes with instructions about which words should be read calmly and slowly, and which words are emphasized. The phrase "fall asleep now" is used often, and the book includes a muscle-relaxing exercise.
"Ehrlin says the book uses relaxation and psychological techniques to lure little ones to sleep."
I suppose people have been trying to get children to sleep for thousands of years and it's not so different from lullabys or something, but the description sounds rather bizarre.
karasu
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Hey man, it's Florida.
water_wendi
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Why is this so incredulous? People falling into trance while driving happens all the time and it sometimes leads to fatal accidents. If this person had a strong trigger that they could utilize to put them into a trance state and they used the trigger to relax while driving this outcome is the one i would expect. Theres a reason why people are told not to listen to hypnosis while driving or operating machinery.
Buddha Beam
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Yeah, that would be a fair description, too.
That does not sound like fun
Or maybe it sounds like a dream....which does sound like fun
Oh, it was tons of fun. I underwent past life regression hypnosis. It was a neat experience.
For example, I remember being told that my legs were really heavy, too heavy to move... and I realized that, yeah, they do feel really heavy. I'm not going to try and move it. Stuff like that.
Hypnotism is real, i.e. Increased suggestibility state. Here is a good science based medicine article.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/hypnotherapy-for-pain-and-other-condtions/
Looks like the hypnotic effect is confirmed, but hypbotherapy is still not well understood. Acupuncture however; is total bunk from what I've read.
Sutton Dagger
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Pretty much. Hypnosis (increased awareness and suggestibility) does seem to be a real phenomenon. It's medical benefits are not yet clear, and further research is needed before anyone should be suggesting it as a procedure. It should not however be lumped in with 'alternate' therapies such as acupuncture or homeopathy.
And_Gignac
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People actually believing hypnosis is not real lol. What has Hollywood done.
This should be in every OP, as a disclaimer, in any of these kind of threads.
This should be in every OP, as a disclaimer, in any of these kind of threads.
Yup. Neurological evidence of trance states is pretty overwhelming at this point, as is evidence of increased suggestibility.
That doesn't mean every story ascribed to hypnosis is real, same way as quantum physics is real but they guy at the end of the street screaming how that is the source of his psychic powers is not.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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I almost got hypnotized by a magician a few weeks ago but I snapped out of it
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