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[Ritsumei2020]

Recently I have been trying to wrap my heard around some of these concepts, but tbh I dont think I get it.

Let me make an example of what seems to be confusing to me:

People on some forum *cough cough* rag about overly sexualised designs in JRPGs,

But nobody bats an eyelid about the vampire lady in RE8. Why? She is clearly sexualised, isn't she? Is it because she is sexualised in a different way? Like, bikini armour bad, but tight-fitting dress is ok?

Maybe the point is not really that sexualisation is bad? Maybe sexualisation is bad when its boring and unoriginal but when its done in creative ways then its ok?

I don't get it. Why isn't there an uproar about the way Capcom sexualised women in RE8?

 

[Raven117]

Anita has some great videos about this

 

[NoLootBoxDev]

People complain about anything nowadays, then others will complain about the people complaining, making an endless cycle. I remember here people complaining about colors...

 

[Coolwhhip]

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Woman dress the way they do everyday. In sexual ways. Leaving less to the imagination than ever. Real life is a videogame.

 

[YCoCg]

I don't get it. Why isn't there an uproar about the way Capcom sexualised women in RE8?

Because it's different in the sense that who is the character being sexual for, that's the big changer, if the characters are portrayed as being that way for themselves to empower themselves then it's usually given a pass. I'm sure you've seen all the memes about people wanting her to dominate them, etc.

 

[OneMoreDay]

To be fair, I'm sure you won't have to look very far to find someone criticising Lady Dimitrescu. With that said, I think she gets way less focus for a number of reasons, namely:

1. She is a villain
2. She is in a position of power
3. She looks somewhat mature
4. While showing some cleavage, her wardrobe and proportions (besides the height) aren't outrageous

There are a lot of easier targets out there.

 

[Taxexemption]

Because it's different in the sense that who is the character being sexual for, that's the big changer, if the characters are portrayed as being that way for themselves to empower themselves then it's usually given a pass. I'm sure you've seen all the memes about people wanting her to dominate them, etc.

Do these pants make my empowerment look big?

 

[poppabk]

There is a difference between one character being sexualized compared to almost every female character having heaving breasts being barely contained by a flimsy wisp of something almost translucent.
I would probably be put off by a game where every male characters dick was straining against his medieval speedos - but if other people wanted such a game then I wouldn't care that it existed.

 

[Ritsumei2020]

Believe me, this is me a 1000 times,

I am trying to understand it but it seems to be basically about personal feelings and emotions... its hard to see how can any of these ideas be applied objectively.

 

[6502]

The only people who care about sexualisation of adult characters are people who aren't getting satisfying sex in real life. Usually ugly women, ugly men who want to be seen as attractive women and the incels hoping to prey on them.

People are starving, dying etc in the world. If Lara having big tits its a major issue to someone I would question their priorities in life.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Ugly people flat out refuse to cope, create something else instead.

 

[Mistake]

Men like T&A. Mostly men buy video games. Not that hard to understand. People who complain will probably complain about anything

Vampire lady is sexualized, but covered up. There’s more to be desired, so it gets attention

 

[Kev Kev]

 

[M1chl]

I simply don't get them either. But

Ugly people flat out refuse to cope, create something else instead.

...probably this.

 

[Mohonky]

Recently I have been trying to wrap my heard around some of these concepts, but tbh I dont think I get it.

Let me make an example of what seems to be confusing to me:

People on some forum *cough cough* rag about overly sexualised designs in JRPGs,

But nobody bats an eyelid about the vampire lady in RE8. Why? She is clearly sexualised, isn't she? Is it because she is sexualised in a different way? Like, bikini armour bad, but tight-fitting dress is ok?

Maybe the point is not really that sexualisation is bad? Maybe sexualisation is bad when its boring and unoriginal but when its done in creative ways then its ok?

I don't get it. Why isn't there an uproar about the way Capcom sexualised women in RE8?

Haha, you think they didn't have a whinge about the Vampire lady in RE8?

It's about who the sexualisation is for.

ie. Bayonetta is the best example. She's shown as being provocative and fine with expressing her sexuality but then the argument can be made her being that way is more of an eye candy piece for men. That she is sexually empowered has less to do with her, and more to do with the idea that her flaunting her figure is for the viewer than any actual characterisation.

Quite how you can do a 'strong, sexually empowered' character and not fall in that hole I don't know. Any form of sexuality is by design obviously going to be derived from some form of conscious or subconscious attraction.

In your example its just the classic RPG trope of obviously hopelessly impractical 'armour' for the sake of showing some skin which I get, but it's a game. They don't bat an eyelid when its male characters.

 

[BadBurger]

For those that complain about these things, if you watch them long enough you'll notice that they always turn out to be hypocrites. They pick and choose which art to complain about.

One day they'll pout like a child about whatever that character's name is from the Nier game. The next week they'll be posting pics of a young shirtless Harrison Ford reducing him to nothing more than that. These conflicting ideas live side by side in their head no problem.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Only people who complain about sexualization are jealous ugly women.

You never see guys complain about this stuff ever. Whether it's a hunk, a dork, or the stereotypical all smiles comedy relief fat guy, guys just dont seem to give a shit.

Women though are different. You'll almost never see good looking women criticize being objectified or getting attention. In fact, they love it. It's a funny thing because the good looking women also dress great too, so they know it goes hand and hand to get even more attention.

Out of all the good looking women you know how many of them dress like slobs at school or work slumming it? I bet hardly any. They love the attention and getting asked to go out to lunch.

 

[Virt McPolygon]

Anita has some great videos about this

 

[MisterHero]

Remember when everyone cried about sex in games but threw caution to the wind over Bowsette?

Yeah

 

[nush]

Sexualizing straight people = Bad

Sexualizing LGBQTWWFBBQ = Celebration!

 

[Boss Mog]

Sexualizing straight people = Bad

Sexualizing LGBQTWWFBBQ = Celebration!

I''d take it a step further and say sexualizing attractive straight women = bad

Sexualizing anything else = good

 

[Pol Pot]

Sexualized yourself? God damn right.
Being sexualized without your consent?
Obviously no.
It's not a hard fucking concept.

 

[Ritsumei2020]

Sexualized yourself? God damn right.
Being sexualized without your consent?
Obviously no.
It's not a hard fucking concept.

How do you know when a fictional characters is doing one or the other? Do you have a special way to measure the direction of sexualization?

 

[nush]

How do you know when a fictional characters is doing one or the other? Do you have a special way to measure the direction of sexualization?

You're replying to a concern troll FYI.

 

[Pol Pot]

How do you know when a fictional characters is doing one or the other? Do you have a special way to measure the direction of sexualization?

Fetishists will do what they do.

 

[*Nightwing]

Motive is the difference.
If you actually care about objectification and are not just virtue signaling you are consistent.
If not logic will make it clear you are being disingenuous as all the examples of logical holes of reasoning provided by OP and everyone else

 

[CGiRanger]

I''d take it a step further and say sexualizing attractive straight women = bad

Sexualizing anything else = good

Even this has devolved into insanity though.

Remember that Cyberpunk ad with the leather/latex girl with the dick bulge? Certain parts of the "Alphabet" gang got up in arms because it was "fetishizing" (even though the Artist was also a member of the "Alphabet"). So even then, you had insane people continuing to complain.

I think the key part of what you say though is the word "attractive". It all boils down to the loudest complainers being ugly and unattractive, and probably hating how they'll never look anywhere close to as appealing as the fictional femboys/futas that they probably believe they themselves should be seen as.

 

[nush]

Fetishists will do what they do.

Textbook:

 

[Pol Pot]

Balls deep in that ass. It's like you belong to me.

 

[BigBooper]

When it's sexualizing of normal looking people it's bad, when it's freakos and degenerates it's all good.

 

[Golgo 13]

 

[Dr.Morris79]

Textbook:

Holy shit, urgh. What the fuck though :/

 

[DeepBreath87]

Sexualized yourself? God damn right.
Being sexualized without your consent?
Obviously no.
It's not a hard fucking concept.

I think he’s talking about fictional characters, genius. So how is what you said relevant?

 

[Outlier]

Seems like people whom are miserable tend to look for problems to cause and get others involved in.

When these people present themselves, ignore they're perceived grievance and redirect the focus on their personal issues.

Don't play their game, because you will lose in the end.

 

[Kev Kev]

Balls deep in that ass. It's like you belong to me.

 

[cormack12]

Mental instability. These people can't accept that there is a spectrum of people who are good looking and average looking and there is nothing they can do to make themselves be put in the former list. They can't accept that due to thousands of factors there are people who are just better looking than them. And they have to accept that 9/10 people will agree with that.

The thing is being attractive and being good looking are not the same thing. But acting the way they do makes them actually unattractive as well. Same goes for making everything over serious.

The knock on effect is that it's only okay to thirst over people/characters with massive flaws who they feel they can compete with like thicc, fatass, mermaid thighs etc. And wag their finger at guys who actually thirst over hot biatches.

 

[Hoya Destroyer]

But nobody bats an eyelid about the vampire lady in RE8. Why? She is clearly sexualised, isn't she? Is it because she is sexualised in a different way? Like, bikini armour bad, but tight-fitting dress is ok?

Maybe the point is not really that sexualisation is bad? Maybe sexualisation is bad when its boring and unoriginal but when its done in creative ways then its ok?

I don't get it. Why isn't there an uproar about the way Capcom sexualised women in RE8?

Nah. I still saw some people over there getting upset about posters (often lowkey) lusting after the big vampire lady.
Because SJWs really hate traditionally attractive females, they wont like guys drooling over vampire ladys nice big tits, but they will like that those same men find her older face attractive. That makes them less likely to complain about her overall.

 

[AlteredForms]

Another point of contention surrounding the exposed armour is the practically of wearing such an outfit in a role-playing game. Boobs encased in metal whilst battling deadly creatures in a foreign land? Doesn’t seem very practical. Also, Lady DD is fully clothed, but her body shape comes through in that dress as does the sex appeal.

 

[FreedomOfSpeech]

We're here, we fetishize whatever we want, get used to it.

 

[Mihos]

I kinda like to have fantasy in my fantasy games

I will go to Walmart if I want to see real people

 

[John Bilbo]

If a tree falls in the forest without anyone around, does it still make a sound?

Without a man looking at a woman's butt, is the butt still sexual?

 

[eyesabitdull]

Vs.

I mean, I feel like it's pretty obvious why with RE8 it isn't condemned specifically for the sexualization of her character.

 

[llien]

It is sex negative folks winning the war, not more not less.

I'm pretty sure you can guess who was on which side:

 

[lame gag1990]

The very moment I knew these cry babies were full of shit was when 'Hot Ryu', as they labeled him, was released to the world. They wanted to suck his dick. Hypocrites. Anyone crying (mostly men) about "sexualised women in games" are pussies and nobody respects them as people. They're scared of women in real life and if they happen to have a girlfriend in real life, she's definitely cheating on him because he's a pussy and she doesn't respect him. And they're probably closet sex criminals too. When they're alone, they will look at the seediest shit they can find on the internet. Just my opinion of course.

 

[Kamina]

It becomes even more ridiculous when considering that it is pixels, polygons, textures and shaders we are talking about.
No human being is being sexualized in videogames.

 

[llien]

No human being is being sexualized in videogames.

The underlying assumption that having sexual objects means dehumanization is dubious at best.

It also goes along with the the thought that it is only something done by one sex against the other.
And then we have erotic book industry doing 1 billion a year, with many books showing faceless male torso:

which, actually, is also quite to see in the movies, especially "progressive" ones (I recall one with Kate Winslet with 3 of her lovers dying for some weird reason, with quite explicit male gazing) with no ranting attached.

If you accept "having sexual objects = bad", then it could be expanded to pixels too, as one could argue that people doing it to pixels, promotes "doing it" to real humans.

 

[zeorhymer]

Sexualization? Objectification?

The same people who spout those things are the same people that say that Nikki Minaj's WAP performance was "stunning, brave, empowering." Maddona/Lady Gaga's performances were "empowering." People fawn over how beautiful JLo and her ass is for a 50 y/o. Isn't that objectification?

I think it's the same people who looks at a pretty person would call them a slut or whore because of projection.

 

[Kamina]

If you accept "having sexual objects = bad", then it could be expanded to pixels too, as one could argue that people doing it to pixels, promotes "doing it" to real humans.

I presume those who argue like that are also for the destruction of any and all “sexualsied artwork and sculptures“ of the past millenia under the same guise of morality.
No one promotes doing anything to anyone but those who promote witch-hunts against any and all that do not act and think like they themselves do.

 

[belmarduk]

Recently I have been trying to wrap my heard around some of these concepts, but tbh I dont think I get it.

Let me make an example of what seems to be confusing to me:

People on some forum *cough cough* rag about overly sexualised designs in JRPGs,

But nobody bats an eyelid about the vampire lady in RE8. Why? She is clearly sexualised, isn't she? Is it because she is sexualised in a different way? Like, bikini armour bad, but tight-fitting dress is ok?

Maybe the point is not really that sexualisation is bad? Maybe sexualisation is bad when its boring and unoriginal but when its done in creative ways then its ok?

I don't get it. Why isn't there an uproar about the way Capcom sexualised women in RE8?

The vampire lady in RE8 has also been canceled.
These days its all about body positivity.
If someone is fat and ugly, it might hurt their feelings to see an attractive person in a game.
We can't have that.