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Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings |OT| The MCU is now Kung-Fu Fighting
trikster40
Member
Any ideas floating out there in rumor world? Or is this marvel setting up the next big bad?
ManaByte
Gold Member
I think Loki probably already introduced the next big bad.
People keep thinking Galactus is that, but he's someone the F4 can defeat on their own without the Avengers.
are you talking about the sister one?
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I liked it quite a bit. It didn't feel like a MCU film until the requisite end scene of cartoon battle.
Awkwafina was at her least insufferable, I could ALMOST imagine someone fucking her in this which is a big leap from her usual role. I really hope they drop her in future films but I can already see a Kat Dennings team up of massive cringe.
I don't know why marvel keeps killing their villains instead of fridging them for a future redemptive arc. Loki shows it can work. All the well realized villains like killmonger, Tony leung, hela, and maybe vulture deserve a repeat performance. But I can barely recall the fate of most of their bad guys, they are so disposable.
Awkwafina was at her least insufferable, I could ALMOST imagine someone fucking her in this which is a big leap from her usual role. I really hope they drop her in future films but I can already see a Kat Dennings team up of massive cringe.
I don't know why marvel keeps killing their villains instead of fridging them for a future redemptive arc. Loki shows it can work. All the well realized villains like killmonger, Tony leung, hela, and maybe vulture deserve a repeat performance. But I can barely recall the fate of most of their bad guys, they are so disposable.
sol_bad
Member
I think Loki, Shang Chi and Eternals have all set up potential big bads. It's really hard to know where the MCU is going to pivot at this stage.
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Javthusiast
Banned
Watched it. Enjoyed it. Beautiful scenes, great fight choreography. Wish it was Jackie Chan.
He would have been the lead if he was young now. Simu Liu did a good job imitating him, during the bus scene especially. But Jackie is one of a kind and oozes even more charisma.
j0hnnix
Member
I agree, Simu did great. I'd take Jackie as the dad or the mom. Just get Jackie in there. Lol.He would have been the lead if he was young now. Simu Liu did a good job imitating him, during the bus scene especially. But Jackie is one of a kind and oozes even more charisma.
Javthusiast
Banned
They should get him for the sequel.
Danteyke223
Member
Jackie sadly is a Chinese Communist Party Simp and I kinda don't want to support any movie he's in anymore.
ManaByte
Gold Member
So is Disney
MastaKiiLA
Member
Agreed. I think only Jackie, Jet, Yen and Jaa are the only guys who've made a living off those frenetic fight scenes. Simu more than held his own. It shows the difference between having an actor who can pull off the scripted choreography, and those who need the editors to make their fights look good. I don't think we've seen extended cus in MCU battles ever. Winter Soldier and Black Widow might have had the best fight scenes prior to this, and those were still heavily-edits. Shang-Chi had the usual Marvel CG polish to it, but Simu was on his shit for this film.He would have been the lead if he was young now. Simu Liu did a good job imitating him, during the bus scene especially. But Jackie is one of a kind and oozes even more charisma.
Also, hats off to Michelle Yeoh, still doing it at the ripe age of 150, or whatever the fuck she is. I swear, she's been in kung fu flicks since I was a kid, and she's still bossing it. This and Master Z show that old girl can still make a fight look good.
VenomousCoffee
Member
Watched it last night for the first time, and I liked it overall. Very colorful and imaginative when it called for it, the sister, dad, and aunt were all good. And it had Drago's son from Creed 2--with the best line too! My only complaint was that I would have liked to see more acting from the lead. Use your facial muscles more, dude. We don't need another ScarJo shitting everything up.
Stitch
Gold Member
I was surprised that she actually had some action scenes because usually in Hollywood movies she just shows up for a few minutes and does pretty much nothing.
And yeah this was the first MCU movie were someone knew how to shoot and edit a fight scene properly. Don't get too close, don't put too many cuts during the fights and for fucks sake stop shaking the god damn camera.
The IMAX aspect ratio also helped a lot.
I also didn't expect to hear so much mandarin chinese. The Mouse must be pretty pissed that the CCP didn't allow the movie in China.
ManaByte
Gold Member
ManaByte
Gold Member
I gotta say, Simu, awkwafina, and the sister looked to be MAYBE ten years younger than michelle yeoh and tony. Either those kids look old as shit or those elders aged really well
Nah they aged very well. They barely had to do much CG de-aging on Tony to make him look like he did in Hard Boiled in the flashbacks.
SJRB
Gold Member
This movie fucking sucks. What a soulless, boring slog with a mindblowingly terrible third act. That last 30 minutes are just... what the fuck.
It's like 6 movies mashed into one - pacing, tone, action, it's all over the place and super unfocussed. With terrible CGI to boot.
Michelle Yeoh and Tony Leung were awesome though, as always.
It's like 6 movies mashed into one - pacing, tone, action, it's all over the place and super unfocussed. With terrible CGI to boot.
Michelle Yeoh and Tony Leung were awesome though, as always.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Tony Leung and Michelle Yeoh are a treasure!
El Pistolero
Banned
Tony Leung is mesmerizing, the cinematography gorgeous, and the action scenes well done.
But then you have a dumb final act, as per usual, a wooden and frankly boring MC, tonal shifts (especially the freaking obligatory Disney jokes) that soften the impact of it all, some shoddy acting (The lead sucks), and CG work that is hit or miss...
I enjoyed it more than I had anticipated...but then again, I was expecting the worst. Mindless, soulless fun, but not a great film by any stretch.
But then you have a dumb final act, as per usual, a wooden and frankly boring MC, tonal shifts (especially the freaking obligatory Disney jokes) that soften the impact of it all, some shoddy acting (The lead sucks), and CG work that is hit or miss...
I enjoyed it more than I had anticipated...but then again, I was expecting the worst. Mindless, soulless fun, but not a great film by any stretch.
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NecrosaroIII
Ultimate DQ Fan
The bus fight scenes is an achievement imho. Best action sequence in mcu
SJRB
Gold Member
Also that Ten Rings kabuki ninja guy had the most anticlimactic death ever.
How can you have this guy run around as a badass ninja all movie only to have him get punk'd by some stupid CGI monster instead of a legit martial arts showdown with Shang Chi? Or even his sister for all I care.
This is like having Mortal Kombat and then have Scorpion trip over a cable and break his neck.
How can you have this guy run around as a badass ninja all movie only to have him get punk'd by some stupid CGI monster instead of a legit martial arts showdown with Shang Chi? Or even his sister for all I care.
This is like having Mortal Kombat and then have Scorpion trip over a cable and break his neck.
Saiyan-Rox
Member
Just finished watching it on D+
I enjoyed it tbh fight scenes where great nice chemistry between shang and Katey.
And then the after
I enjoyed it tbh fight scenes where great nice chemistry between shang and Katey.
And then the after
credits...fucking captain marvel for no fricken reason? Seriously anyone from space would have filled that gap and why was Bruce back to normal?
SafeOrAlone
Banned
I’m trying to enjoy this movie on Disney+ but I can’t call it a win. There’s just too much stuff I’m not supposed to care about. Everything comes too easy.
That and I really can’t take another one these third act cgi extravaganzas. It’d be one thing if they at least looked/felt believable, but without even that, they’re completely exhausting.
It’s kind of harshing my buzz for Spider-Man, by highlighting how formulaic MCU can be.
That said, some of the characters appeal to me. Katy is very fun to be around and Death Dealer is just plain cool.
That and I really can’t take another one these third act cgi extravaganzas. It’d be one thing if they at least looked/felt believable, but without even that, they’re completely exhausting.
It’s kind of harshing my buzz for Spider-Man, by highlighting how formulaic MCU can be.
That said, some of the characters appeal to me. Katy is very fun to be around and Death Dealer is just plain cool.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
She and the director of this are friends and she's in everything he's ever made. It's like Michael B Jordan and Ryan Coogler.
Bruce is back to normal due to She-Hulk. He's both Professor Hulk and Bruce in the show.
Presumably he returns to Bruce to give her the blood transfusion, if they're going with the same origin as the comics.
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Saiyan-Rox
Member
Well that explains her random appearance...still didn't like it.
Aaaah okay I guess that makes sense I must have been living under a rock though that's the first I'm hearing of she hulk.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
I am watching the IMAX enhanced edition on Disney+, had to pause it midway to take care of some stuff, but so far it is fantastic. The martial arts are a little Crouching Tiger, a little Jackie Chan, a heaping helping of The Raid (neutered for Disney PG13 sensibilities), topped off with some westernized tight shots. Loving the story. The fictionalized Macau was great. Awkwafina is funny as ever.
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sol_bad
Member
She is a part of the team and has ben on conference calls with them before. Not weird at all.
As for Bruce, that's part of the mystery.
As for Bruce, that's part of the mystery.
Regarding the She-Hulk trailer, I have a feeling the scene with Bruce as Hulk takes place before Endgame, a flashback. The reason being no arm brace.
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FunkMiller
Member
OMG, this film is so bloody weird.
To start with I was really invested. I thought we were getting a decent bit of human drama. The whole conflict between father and children was quite compelling, and I was looking forward to a conclusion based around that family dynamic.
….and then it’s into Chinese Lord Of The Rings, with cgi monsters, endless bullshittery, and a deeply unsatisfying climax of ones and zeros.
Fuck me, Marvel. You just can’t stop yourselves from the same old computer generated, epic scale, empty-ass wankery, can you? This could have been such a great film, if it concentrated on the human relationships, and kept the conflict on that visceral, relatable level.
But nah… giant dragon fights soul sucking tentacle monster!
fuck about
To start with I was really invested. I thought we were getting a decent bit of human drama. The whole conflict between father and children was quite compelling, and I was looking forward to a conclusion based around that family dynamic.
….and then it’s into Chinese Lord Of The Rings, with cgi monsters, endless bullshittery, and a deeply unsatisfying climax of ones and zeros.
Fuck me, Marvel. You just can’t stop yourselves from the same old computer generated, epic scale, empty-ass wankery, can you? This could have been such a great film, if it concentrated on the human relationships, and kept the conflict on that visceral, relatable level.
But nah… giant dragon fights soul sucking tentacle monster!
fuck about
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ManaByte
Gold Member
Then where was She-Hulk in the final battle?
If She-Hulk is set after Hawkeye, then it'll be in 2025 (Hawkeye is Christmas 2024). That's 2 years after Hulk's arm was messed up, and enough time for it to heal especially with his gamma-powered healing.
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Yoboman
Member
I really liked it and was one of the stronger debut movies.
Behind Iron Man, GOTG but ahead of Ant Man, Dr Strange, Thor, even Black Panther imo
First half was especially good while the fights had a bit more grounding
On a separate I didnt know Tony Leung spoke English, and it makes me a bit sad he didn't make a big Hollywood career
Behind Iron Man, GOTG but ahead of Ant Man, Dr Strange, Thor, even Black Panther imo
First half was especially good while the fights had a bit more grounding
On a separate I didnt know Tony Leung spoke English, and it makes me a bit sad he didn't make a big Hollywood career
sol_bad
Member
His arm isn't healed in Shang Chi though, he still has the arm brace in the credits scene. I'm guessing it's a flashback scene in She-Hulk because of the missing arm brace and that Jennifer isn't She-Hulk yet. Or she is She-Hulk but refuses to join the Avengers.
ManaByte
Gold Member
The final battle had Howard the fucking Duck fighting and you’re claiming She-Hulk just decided to not show up?
sol_bad
Member
If by "funny as ever" you mean FINALLY a normal person with a normal voice and mannerisms then yes, this is true. She is still inexplicably casted in stuff IMHO, no idea why she is in Jumanji 2.
Ulysses 31
Member
In the EFAP breakdown of this movie it was said that she bet against Shang/Shaun even after seeing how one could get hurt/die in those fights and was disappointed he didn't lose. The movie plays it off as a joke but when you really think about it that would be grounds for me to end a relationship with someone like that.
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Cockles & Whelks
Banned
Another world ending threat? Yawn. Ben Kingsley stole the show.
You know, in a film based on Tony Leungs POV, he would have been correct and this tribe of cultists were trying to deny him his wife and subverted his own children against him by teaching them forbidden martial arts.
This is the hallmark of proper villain motivation, though I also think Michelle yeoh could have resolved all this over a cup of tea or a phone call to to the sorcerer Supreme for a quick mind meld.
This is the hallmark of proper villain motivation, though I also think Michelle yeoh could have resolved all this over a cup of tea or a phone call to to the sorcerer Supreme for a quick mind meld.
SJRB
Gold Member
There's an actual great idea of a story hidden under 6 feet of dogshit for sure, the third act drags the movie down like 5 points on a 10 point scale.
So needlessly absurd.
Pejo
Gold Member
Watched this last night. Went in with low expectations and really enjoyed it. I didn't expect the kaiju parts.
If I had 3 minor issues with the movie, it's that they're relying too much on CG for the Kung Fu scenes, we're still doing too much ironic comedy in life threatening situation Marvel quipping shit, and the uniforms looked ultra stupid for both the good and bad guys. Everything else was fun enough to watch. I give it a strong 8/10.
If I had 3 minor issues with the movie, it's that they're relying too much on CG for the Kung Fu scenes, we're still doing too much ironic comedy in life threatening situation Marvel quipping shit, and the uniforms looked ultra stupid for both the good and bad guys. Everything else was fun enough to watch. I give it a strong 8/10.
Amiga
Member
Galactus originally isn't someone to be beat forcibly. He got diverted by different means away from earth to devour other planets.
Didn't all the characters get portalled in though? So it's possible Dr. Strange just didn't know about her at the time.