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SHIFT 2: UNLEASHED |OT| Is there still need for speed?
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The FFB complaints are what makes this an absolute no go for me.
I'll be honest, I kind of enjoyed the original Shift when I first bought it and played with a 360 controller. But when I bought a G27, that's when I was done with it. The FFB was awful. And this was before rfactor tainted my racing standards.
I'll be honest, I kind of enjoyed the original Shift when I first bought it and played with a 360 controller. But when I bought a G27, that's when I was done with it. The FFB was awful. And this was before rfactor tainted my racing standards.
saladine1 said:
you know, i think you are right. i thought it at first but then thought i was just spoiled by GT5. but the more i play the more i think this is a step back from 1. it's been a long time (so correct me if i'm wrong), but didn't shift 1 have some wicked tearing and some minor frame rate issues. maybe they scaled it back to get better performance. i think it may not look as good but if i remember correctly it does perform better. the cars look almost kind of cell shaded to me at certain times. i am really enjoying this game though so it doesn't matter. i do miss all the different things you could get badges for in the first one though (overtake, etc). it seems there are only three types of badges now (mastering tracks, winning events, and rivals or something like that). still, great game in my opinion.
Some future DLC found by the modders over at Nogripracing:
They also found a "drag racing mode" hidden in the exe via hex editor..
http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246311
They also found a "drag racing mode" hidden in the exe via hex editor..
http://www.nogripracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246311
as for the graphics (360) yes the IQ is worse with the jaggies and whatnot but there definitely seems to be a better lighting solution going on. MUCH better daylight IMO.
Also switching back to Cockpit cam from helmet cam seems to improve the look.
Overall they fixed the issues i had with S1 and I like the game better but do miss the aggressive driving medals and think they complicated the report screens and menus too much.
shift was very nice in that regard.
Also switching back to Cockpit cam from helmet cam seems to improve the look.
Overall they fixed the issues i had with S1 and I like the game better but do miss the aggressive driving medals and think they complicated the report screens and menus too much.
shift was very nice in that regard.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Shift 2 definitely looks worse than Shift 1. I noticed that myself immediately.
CloakedPuppet
Member
I'm friggin' loving this game! The naysayers can go count their jaggies and fap over which graphical effect or element they hate the most. This is one fantastic and fun racer. The Autolog makes it just as addictive as Hot Pursuit. Great stuff.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
My God, what happened to the trees?
NullPointer
Member
Man, its a hard pill to swallow to see those comparison pics. But I have the game waiting on my desk at work and still can't wait to see how this handles in motion.
BTW - the Video posted a few posts above didn't seem arcadey to me at all. When I think arcade I think Burnout, Motorstorm, Hot Pursuit, etc.
BTW - the Video posted a few posts above didn't seem arcadey to me at all. When I think arcade I think Burnout, Motorstorm, Hot Pursuit, etc.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
Would just like to share the interiors look God awful.
mclaren777
Member
It's all relative, but as a hardcore fan of sim racers, I feel that unmodified SHIFT might as well be Hot Pursuit.NullPointer said:
PjotrStroganov
Member
And it manages to run worse than shift 1?
NullPointer
Member
Maybe the unified and improved physics model took some more resources and something had to give. Did they redo the lighting too to better incorporate night driving?PjotrStroganov said:
Speaking of which, I read that not all tracks have night versions - does anybody which tracks can't be raced at night?
This makes me a sad panda.AlphaSnake said:
NullPointer
Member
GT5 syndrome?amar212 said:
i don't mind the graphics downgrade since the gameplay is so much better than shift 1. and i liked shift 1. this one is just so much better. i told myself that i wasn't going to buy this until a price drop but i am damned glad i did. i'm having more fun with this game than i did with gran turismo 5 or forza 3. got bored of those really quick. i really don't think this is a sim. it's a wonderfully unique arcade racer. and it's the only racer that i use the cockpit view in. i usually use a behind the car/3rd person perspective.
TheFuryMGS3
Banned
I am having an absolute blast with the 360 version, the new helmet cam took awhile to get accustomed to but man does it make the game feel so much more intense. As far a graphics go, I personally think it looks great. Its not Hot Pursuit pretty but in my opinion looks better than Forza 3.
NullPointer said:
Haha, touche, yeah, pretty much
However, I am having a great time, I agree it is very unique game in terms of structure and context. And I agree with Saladine's initial impressions so far (drived D and C class) that this game is massive improvement over first Shift in many areas.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Urgh. So ugly.
Pass.
Pass.
No way this game is arcadey. It isn't super sim but by God it's very close and very enjoyable.
You can't take corners like a maniac, you have to brake. You can't floor it on turn, you will lose control. It's best you shift down into a corner using heal toe, otherwise the car becomes unstable.
There's no swaying,there's snap over steer, there's understeer, there's drafting, there's pitching, there's rolling,there's squating,there's loss of grip over crests and on and on..
Another thing I love, upgrades have a massive effect on turning a sedate car into a wild,roaring true racing machine. It truly can change the character of a car. I mean, if you add heaps of engine upgrades in effect making your car a horsepower hero without adding driveline upgrades such as a metier clutch..etc, the clutch starts to slip!
Where recently have you played a game where that is simulated?
I've said it before and i'll say it again, SHIFT offers the most immersive racing experience yet. It truly feels like you are involved in motorsport. The a.i is grueling,ready to hunt you down whenever you make a mistake. You can hear them breathing down your neck at every turn. You have to be on your toes at all times. You have to work extra hard to regain that position you just lost because the competition is also out there to win and they won't make it easy for you.
The cockpit view is involving, it upgrades as you upgrade the car. Motec systems, gauges,steering wheels,seats,roll bars..etc all become visible giving that authentic race car look and feel....
Imo, you have to leave previous biases and prejudices behind if you choose to play this game. There's a load of sim elements in the game but if you treat it more like a racing simulator rather than a driving simulator you would love it to bits!
You can't take corners like a maniac, you have to brake. You can't floor it on turn, you will lose control. It's best you shift down into a corner using heal toe, otherwise the car becomes unstable.
There's no swaying,there's snap over steer, there's understeer, there's drafting, there's pitching, there's rolling,there's squating,there's loss of grip over crests and on and on..
Another thing I love, upgrades have a massive effect on turning a sedate car into a wild,roaring true racing machine. It truly can change the character of a car. I mean, if you add heaps of engine upgrades in effect making your car a horsepower hero without adding driveline upgrades such as a metier clutch..etc, the clutch starts to slip!
Where recently have you played a game where that is simulated?
I've said it before and i'll say it again, SHIFT offers the most immersive racing experience yet. It truly feels like you are involved in motorsport. The a.i is grueling,ready to hunt you down whenever you make a mistake. You can hear them breathing down your neck at every turn. You have to be on your toes at all times. You have to work extra hard to regain that position you just lost because the competition is also out there to win and they won't make it easy for you.
The cockpit view is involving, it upgrades as you upgrade the car. Motec systems, gauges,steering wheels,seats,roll bars..etc all become visible giving that authentic race car look and feel....
Imo, you have to leave previous biases and prejudices behind if you choose to play this game. There's a load of sim elements in the game but if you treat it more like a racing simulator rather than a driving simulator you would love it to bits!
NullPointer
Member
I can live with this. GT5 for the driving simulator (and smooth driving), Shift for the racing simulator (and pooping your pants with speed).saladine1 said:
Shift 1 is my favorite current gen sim racer.
This news saddens me. Please, someone tell me those cockpit shots are just unflattering. I love cockpit view in Shift 1, and is IMO, the best sim racing experience (with mid level cars). Too bad it fell apart on the high end cars.
Still, I gotta hold out hope. If this isn't good then I basically don't have another sim racer available to me for the forseeable future. I'm not buying Patch Turismo 5 and I've 100% Forza 3.
This news saddens me. Please, someone tell me those cockpit shots are just unflattering. I love cockpit view in Shift 1, and is IMO, the best sim racing experience (with mid level cars). Too bad it fell apart on the high end cars.
Still, I gotta hold out hope. If this isn't good then I basically don't have another sim racer available to me for the forseeable future. I'm not buying Patch Turismo 5 and I've 100% Forza 3.
Always-honest
Banned
jesus.. reading all these comments makes it seem like a game i'm glad i didn't buy.
I thought it might be the most immersive racer...
I thought it might be the most immersive racer...
in hindsight i should not have used the word arcade i guess. it's just a really unique racer to me. i am bored shitless with sim racers. this one is really fun and the races are exciting. i'm not used to that in a sim racer. usually they are car collector sims instead of racing.
Regarding the graphics/Aliasing, could it somehow be related to their new deferred lightning engine ( night racing more lights). At least I think I have seen it mentioned in interviews as being a deferred pipeline, which could explain complete lack of AA, as MSAA is way to taxing and I do not see any TAA (blur) and Shift 1 with some MSAA (was it 4x?) looking "better".
Still one day left before I can give it a go, hate those different release dates in a day were so much goes through DD
Still one day left before I can give it a go, hate those different release dates in a day were so much goes through DD
TheFuryMGS3
Banned
kamspy said:
If you loved Shift 1 then you will love this. The handling is better, the car list is great IMO, the inclusion of night driving is awesome and it looks great in motion.
veggiestick2000
Member
anyone using a steering wheel, particularly Driving Force GT with this? Curious how it handles
anyone who turned off helmet cam in the first 15 minutes, I suggest trying it again off and on for several days... it is starting to connect for me now and it is very cool...
yes lighting solution is better, night racing is sweet but the downgrade in Anti-aliasing is noticeable but not game breaking
yes lighting solution is better, night racing is sweet but the downgrade in Anti-aliasing is noticeable but not game breaking
CloakedPuppet
Member
TheFuryMGS3 said:
Yep. This game is all about immersion and sense of speed. The McLaren race was almost too much! My heart rate seriously increased.
Nitpicking over screen shots completely misses the point.
Bidermaier
Member
It is interesting how polarized are the opinions of this game. This thread is a drama rollercoaster.
I quite liked shift 1 It is in a sweet spot between semi-sims like Forza or F1 2010 and arcades like NFS or Burnout.
I guess I will like shift 2.
I quite liked shift 1 It is in a sweet spot between semi-sims like Forza or F1 2010 and arcades like NFS or Burnout.
I guess I will like shift 2.
markao said:Regarding the graphics/Aliasing, could it somehow be related to their new deferred lightning engine ( night racing more lights). At least I think I have seen it mentioned in interviews as being a deferred pipeline, which could explain complete lack of AA, as MSAA is way to taxing and I do not see any TAA (blur) and Shift 1 with some MSAA (was it 4x?) looking "better".
Still one day left before I can give it a go, hate those different release dates in a day were so much goes through DD
dammit, I'm guessing consoles versions have 0 or 2xAA.
but yes deferred rendering
Yeah, but PC performance bugs drive me crazy. I'm OCD about them. I'll google shit in other languages just to try and find someone who found a config file fix or something. I can't sit down and enjoy it until it runs like it should. I'm always distracted by the bugs.
That said, I still remember enjoying Shift 1 with the early bugs (25fps no matter what settings or res). A friend owes me a Steam game. Trying to decide between this or Portal 2.
Are the perf problems like the ones I described or can they actually be fixed by turning down effects?
That said, I still remember enjoying Shift 1 with the early bugs (25fps no matter what settings or res). A friend owes me a Steam game. Trying to decide between this or Portal 2.
Are the perf problems like the ones I described or can they actually be fixed by turning down effects?
OG_Original Gamer
Member
Omiee said:
Its in the options menu under video.
AlphaSnake
...and that, kids, was the first time I sucked a dick for crack
The 370Z has so many things wrong with it in the game...
-Wrong Power Stats
-Wrong Engine & Exhaust Note
-WTF is that fake lip spoiler on trunk? That doesn't exist on the car.
-Car handles awkwardly
-Car accelerates significantly faster in game than real life (I own one).
Like I said, canned physics.
-Wrong Power Stats
-Wrong Engine & Exhaust Note
-WTF is that fake lip spoiler on trunk? That doesn't exist on the car.
-Car handles awkwardly
-Car accelerates significantly faster in game than real life (I own one).
Like I said, canned physics.
drifter444
Member
Oh yes, we get DLC already!
http://www.virtualr.net/need-for-speed-shift-2-dlc-video-trailers/
Alfa_Romeo GTA 1600
Austin Mini Cooper
BMW CSL Gr4
Ford Capri RS3100
Ford Escort Mk1
Ford GT40
Jaguar E-type
Lotus Cortina
Nissan 240ZG
Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R
Porsche 911 Carrera RSR
Porsche 914
Shelby Cobra Daytona
Bugatti Veyron Super Sports
Twin Turbo Dodge Viper
Dragster Scion TC
http://www.virtualr.net/need-for-speed-shift-2-dlc-video-trailers/
Alfa_Romeo GTA 1600
Austin Mini Cooper
BMW CSL Gr4
Ford Capri RS3100
Ford Escort Mk1
Ford GT40
Jaguar E-type
Lotus Cortina
Nissan 240ZG
Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R
Porsche 911 Carrera RSR
Porsche 914
Shelby Cobra Daytona
Bugatti Veyron Super Sports
Twin Turbo Dodge Viper
Dragster Scion TC
If you are at all interested I would suggest keeping an eye on forums at nogripracing.com and virtualr.net. They are usually some of the first places to release PC mods for Shift. There has been talks of porting cars and tracks from Shift 2 into Shift 1. This in addition to the cars ported from Forza 3 gives the game a pretty strong selection. However, the modding process is not exactly the easiest task in the world, at least in my experiences.
I would expect an overhaul of the physics and FFB in a month or two.
I would expect an overhaul of the physics and FFB in a month or two.
markao said:Regarding the graphics/Aliasing, could it somehow be related to their new deferred lightning engine ( night racing more lights). At least I think I have seen it mentioned in interviews as being a deferred pipeline, which could explain complete lack of AA, as MSAA is way to taxing and I do not see any TAA (blur) and Shift 1 with some MSAA (was it 4x?) looking "better".
Still one day left before I can give it a go, hate those different release dates in a day were so much goes through DD
http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=3937217&postcount=388
