hikarutilmitt
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iconoclast said:
Is it bad that I cannot stand emulated scanlines in emulators but that particular filter is awesome?
Shoot the Core! - Gaf Shoot em Up (aka Shooter/SHMUP) Reference Thread
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Is it bad that I cannot stand emulated scanlines in emulators but that particular filter is awesome?
That's pretty exciting. Looks a good bit like Recap's (of Postback) screenshot photoshopping process that he talked about a while ago.
And it's coming to the most important emulator of them all! Man. Good times we live in.
So, how will MAME use it? MAME's PNG overlay effects never interested me much, but this obviously can't be a simple PNG overlay. I'm assuming this is part of some whole new effect system?
And it's coming to the most important emulator of them all! Man. Good times we live in.
So, how will MAME use it? MAME's PNG overlay effects never interested me much, but this obviously can't be a simple PNG overlay. I'm assuming this is part of some whole new effect system?
iconoclast
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I never cared for any of the fake scanline filters either, but this new one looks really nice. It immediately reminded me of those Postback photoshops, like Tain mentioned. Except it's real!
sixteen-bit
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That's fucking radical. Haha, I want a piece of hardware that does this when my CRTs finally die.iconoclast said:
sixteen-bit
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You think so? Many times sprites are drawn to be displayed on screens that look that way. Some games actually look really weird and wrong to me in their native resolutions with progressive scan (CPS2 games for instance).Dexa said:
To Far Away Times
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I do love my scanlines. They make the games look so much better.
Baron
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All right, Bullet Soul or Eschatos? Anyone have both, or either one, and can recommend one over the other? Tell me what your STG tastes are like as well, if you can. I want to buy one of them, but want to get the one better suited to my tastes. I like Gradius, R-Types, Zanac 2, Truxton, Dodonpachi, Thunderforce 3,4,5,6 (yes 6 too). I like Ibara, Espgaluda, and Pink Sweets too. Ah, hell, that's way too broad.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Dexa said:
Scanlines look great when the game is in motion I think.
They are both great. You seem to like everything.Baron said:
Bullet Soul.
Go for Bullet Soul if you just want a super fun and high-quality classic shooter...kinda like the older Hudson classics with some nice psuedo bullet-hell patterns. Having all the bullets cancel often is empowering even if it is mostly for show. Great soundtrack (not butt-rock, but catchy and uplifting). Play for survival. Characters and artwork is cool...especially the space police chick. Bosses are fun to take apart piece by piece and are lengthy battles.
Eschatos.
The game proper is loaded with modes. Artwork is a little jank but fun if you know the original games. Advanced Mode is top-shelf and holds its own against newer shooters. And the package comes with all the originals. These are great fun with your arcade stick and look awesome on an HDTV. It has Cardinal Sins which a great twist on the carnaval/caravan shooter and dovetails nicely with the Judgement subtitle from the first game...you get graded at the end and a run is only ten minutes. Equisite fun. Lots of Unlockables in the Eschatos package. Set has incredibly cool old-school music to get your heart racing.
I'd give the edge to Eschatos but you know you will likely pick 'em both up eventually so just pick the one you you want to play first and go for it!
adversesolutions
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Of those two, definitely Eschatos.
gunstarhero
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Baron said:
I guess I'll make things even more confusing...
I recently got both - and BOTH are great...but I give the edge to Bullet Soul for the amount of crazy action and awesome graphics. If Thunderforce 3 was made into a bullet hell top down shooter, you would get Bullet Soul. Great environments, awesome high paced action, great fast music and everything explodes really nice. Weak point is lack of different weapons - but Eschatos has the same issue.
But like I said - both are awesome games. You win either way.
I guess since CRTs monitors are dying out, people need ways to try and reproduce it on an LCD. I could just mess with my CRT settings and turn on scanlines if I wanted to make the game look worse.iconoclast said:
Already bugged that my CRT Monitor is starting to get some natural curvature that I can't fix with the settings.
sixteen-bit
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There's a demo on J-XBL. It seems so.nexen said:
You don't really "cancel" them. When you kill the enemy that shot them, the bullets "die" too, becoming translucent, ghostly grey "bullet souls" (hence the name of the game, eh?). You can collect these souls for either points or power-ups, I can't remember right now.nexen said:
Oh, and Space Cop Hottie is an awesome design. Arguably better than Space Burger King.
herzogzwei1989
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Thunder Force III on Genesis remains, to this day, THE KING OF SHMUPS, in my eyes.
robot
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Tain said:
Its boring in a sense that it doesn't quite offer the same challenge of a Cave shooter, but it's presentation, levels, music and characters are pretty exciting. It's reminds me of a lot of old school shooters like Truxton, but the character designs feel a little like the anime Outlaw Star.
If you're looking for more of a challenge Eschatos is the way to go. It really is a win-win, just depends what you're in the mood for.
depths20XX
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Dambrosi said:
Are you sure that you actually collect the canceled bullets? I don't notice that at all when I play. In fact, the only scoring mechanic I can notice is quick shotting enemies as soon as they come on screen and the various destroy bonuses. Reminds me of Raiden IV with thicker bullet patterns and bullet canceling.
I really like the look of Bullet Soul though, looks great for a 3d shmup. Music is really good too. I think it's a fun game for survival. Supposedly they are adding another mode, which it could really use.
Still need to pick up Eschatos....should have got that instead of Otomedius X -_-
gunstarhero
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herzogzwei1989 said:
You sir, have very good eyes.
I'd definitely go with Eschatos. Bullet Soul is pretty fun, but has only one mode and can get kinda boring after a while.Baron said:
Eschatos on the other hand has tons of modes + 2 Wonderswan roms, and they are all great games. Eschatos also has one of the best shmup soundtracks of all time, so fucking good.
Baron
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Oh, man - all the posts on the Bullet Soul/Eschatos dilemma...I of course eventually want to pick up both of them, but the one to get first is the hard part. This praise for both games isn't helping me! 
How about this - does one printing seem more limited than the other? Is there any indication that one of them will be out of print sooner than the other? Because I will get that one first, heh.
How about this - does one printing seem more limited than the other? Is there any indication that one of them will be out of print sooner than the other? Because I will get that one first, heh.
You can collect them, but there really is no point. They don't really add to your score or increase the meter. Kinda funny the game is called Bullet Soul and yet those souls are completely useless and irrelevant.depths20XX said:
It's a fun game nevertheless and I'm not a hater by any means.
Sadly, that's the first thing that came to mind too. Don't bother though, it's pretty bad. Likewise, stuff like Otomedius is the only real example of current generation hori shooters and I'd have a hard time recommending it, even as the world's biggest Gradius/Parodius fan.Finaika said:
If you're willing to stretch your definition of modern back to the PS1 era though, there are tons of great hori shmups there.
To Far Away Times
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Thunder Force III has this great pacing to it and a certain level of aggressiveness that makes it so damn good. That game has so much character.herzogzwei1989 said:
A Huge Battleship
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Strania on XBLA is pretty decent. Apart from that I'm at a loss, since basically all the recent shmups I've played have been bullet hell. I suppose there's Otomedius Excellent coming out soon, but I can't really recommend that to anyone.dock said:
Never warmed to III in the same way I did IV, not least because III's bosses are made of paper. IV just generally felt more polished. Also dat soundtrack.herzogzwei1989 said:
To Far Away Times
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dock said:
Strania is a modern shmup that has some old school vibes. I don't think its super amazing, but its fun and worth playing for fans of the genre. It's on XBLA, so there's a demo and its only $10.
luka said:
Thunder Force VI isn't that bad...
And I agree about the PS1 era shmups. The PlayStation had a ton of great shmups.
Some horizontal non-bullet hell games on the PS1:
Einhander
G-Darius
Darius Gaiden
Thunder Force V
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luka said:
^ A billion times this.
Also does fatty update the OP ever? Quite a few missing games that I guess would help to add. I'm currently playing a lot of MuchiMuchiPork from the MuchiMuchiPork & PinkSweets Double Pack. Love them chubby girls.
Also, wort importing Mamoru-kun for PS3 since that's region free. Do it! Eschatos and Bullet Soul also has no region protection. Eschatos looks especially tasty and has a fantastic soundtrack by Yousuke Yasui who also did Mamoru-kun. But I'm sure you knew that
Espgaluda II Black Label and Mushihimesama Futari 1.5 are now Platinum so they're ridiculously cheap to import and STILL REGION FREE. Get on it.
JustAnotherOtaku
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Finaika said:
I'd agree with this. By no means the best Thunder Force games, but I really enjoyed it. Some fantastic music too.
Also, for the person asking for recommendations, if you have a Dreamcast the shmups that came out a few years back like Under Defeat, Karous and Trigger Heart Exelica are all excellent.
Had a copy of that but sold it for some stupid reason.Urban Scholar
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Everyday Shooter falls into this category I believe. So are there any tips someone whom may have complete the game can share? I get stuck in the robot/eyeball stage.