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Should I get the Matrix Ultimate Collection?

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isamu

OMFG HOLY MOTHER OF MARY IN HEAVEN I CANT BELIEVE IT WTF WHERE ARE MY SEDATIVES AAAAHHH
Well who's got or getting the 10-disc Matrix Ultimate Collection? I wanna buy it but I'm think of waiting until I get a front projector within the next three months. But I don't think I can wait...nah, fuck that shit...I need to get this!!! They'll still be enjoyable on my 65" Toshiba Widescreen RPTV.

So what's the deal is it good? I haven't watched Reloaded or Revolutions since they were in theaters, so I will want this mainly for the fuckload of extras. Are the extras incredible, average, or simply crap? Is there audio commentary from the Wach Bros. on all three films? And is the transfer better than the previous discs?
 

SKluck

Banned
The new Matrix Transfer is incredible from what I've seen.

I have Matrix 1, 2, 3, Revisited, Animatrix, and I'm still considering getting it even though I have most of the discs. I don't think you can buy the new Matrix 1 seperately.

No commentaries from the brother and sister. There are 6 commentaries I believe, 3 from haters, 3 from "philosphers". Transfers are the same except for the first Matrix.
 

isamu

OMFG HOLY MOTHER OF MARY IN HEAVEN I CANT BELIEVE IT WTF WHERE ARE MY SEDATIVES AAAAHHH
how do you know all this?
 

Dead

well not really...yet
Absolutely.

The new transfer for the first movie is remarkable, the green tint/ blue tint look fantastic, and gone are the vomitous colours that were so pronounced in the original DVD. It looks like how a Matrix movie sholud look.

The commentaries are interesting. Critics commentary is worth a listen, they certainly bring up valid points, specifically in Revolutions, but for the most part seem completely clueless about the films down to specific plot points, in the end they come way off the mark despite being right in many aspects. The philosopher commentary is certainly stronger, thanks in part to the guys actually knowing what theyre talking about. They go pretty in depth in the movies and raise some great discussion about many details and influences, Larry Wachowskis in particular and give you a better grip with what they were aiming for. Effectively this is as close to a Directors commentary well ever get. My only gripe is both commentaries have a few too many silent spots, and scarily enough West and Wilbur couldve gone even deeper.

Theres also cast commentaries for each movie but theyre DVD ROM and arent up yet

All the revisited documentaries provide very nice in depth behind the scenes footage with each revisited disc clocking in at around 3 hours.

The burly man chronicles which is about a 3 hour doc of set footage from Reloaded and Revolutions is excellent, also featuring a shit load of footage of Andy and Larry doing shit.

Roots of the matrix I havent watched yet, though I read is the highlight of the set.

Last disc is all promo trailers, storyboards, art concepts and all that jazz.

I think personally the biggest point of the set is to rally all 3 movies as a single work, and does a great job at it, which is why im hoping the Wachowski Brothers refuse to release the first movie on its own. And in the end you can see what exactly they were trying to achieve with the sequels. Albeit flawed films they seem to have packed so much dense content in each movie, its astounding.

So uh yeah, its worth it and I dont see any DVD this year or in the near future that will approach just how in depth and informative this set is, effectivle chronicling one of the most important works in modern Science Fiction film making.


Packaging is ace, totally making up for the horrible Revolutions DVD Cover:

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Willco

Hollywood Square
DeadStar said:
I think personally the biggest point of the set is to rally all 3 movies as a single work, and does a great job at it, which is why im hoping the Wachowski Brothers refuse to release the first movie on its own. And in the end you can see what exactly they were trying to achieve with the sequels. Albeit flawed films they seem to have packed so much dense content in each movie, its astounding.

Why should people endure two shitty sequels to see the only good film of the bunch, which is the original? That's just stupid.
 

DopeyFish

Not bitter, just unsweetened
Willco said:
Why should people endure two shitty sequels to see the only good film of the bunch, which is the original? That's just stupid.

Matrix Reloaded >> Matrix >>>>>>>>> Matrix Revolutions
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
They got my money once, they're not getting it again. If there's anything good I'll check it out through Netflix once but I don't need to own the same stuff again just to get some justifications for the sequels.
 

LakeEarth

Member
Hey, didn't Revolutions have tons of cut out shit. Something about a scene with Super Agent Smith kicking all other Smith's ass to test out his abilities. Or did they just say they "wanted" to do than and never filmed it?
 
DopeyFish said:
Matrix Reloaded >> Matrix >>>>>>>>> Matrix Revolutions


Matrix >>>>>>> Revolutions > Reloaded


But I've only seen Revolutions once, while I've seen Reloaded about 5 times, and Matrix countless times... My rank of the two sequels might change after I get my UC set.

Edit: Heh, me and Cyan agree.
 

jiggle

Member
I held out on buying any of the matrix dvds, so buying this collection is an obvious answer. 3 full movies + animatrix + 3 bonus discs for for 48 bucks, nothing beats that.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
The Matrix is an exceptional piece of pop-culture cinema. The sequels are horrible. Reloaded is illogical and tedious, pulling every trick out of its figurative sleeve to make you dislike the franchise. Revolutions is laughably bad. I don't think I laughed so damn hard during an action flick in quite some time.
 

Dead

well not really...yet
ManaByte said:
Uh, it's 90 minutes...



You did not mean to post that.
3 hours counting all the white rabbit featurettes, of course im approximating so it could be 2h50
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Willco said:
The Matrix is an exceptional piece of pop-culture cinema. The sequels are horrible. Reloaded is illogical and tedious, pulling every trick out of its figurative sleeve to make you dislike the franchise. Revolutions is laughably bad. I don't think I laughed so damn hard during an action flick in quite some time.

Watch the Matrix. Hell, just cue up each fight scene. As the scene plays, ask yourself WHY they are fighting. Each fight scene in The Matrix served a specific purpose for the story.

Reloaded and Revolutions lacked that.

Although Revolutions is better than Reloaded due to the lack of a rave scene.

Before you post one of the commentary track's defenses for the rave scene, it's bullshit. The rave/sex scene in Revolutions was put in simply to earn the movie an R rating as it was going to get a PG-13 without that. It's like the bloody arm in Star Wars, that was put there to earn a PG as the movie was originally going to get a G.
 
jiggle said:
I held out on buying any of the matrix dvds, so buying this collection is an obvious answer. 3 full movies + animatrix + 3 bonus discs for for 48 bucks, nothing beats that.

It's actually 6 bonus discs.
 

DopeyFish

Not bitter, just unsweetened
Matrix reloaded was a superior movie to the matrix. Though it would not survive as a single movie and required both the original and final movie.

The chase, the burly brawl, the architect (best scene in the entire series) and the chateau fight absolutely smack around both the original and revolutions.

Reloaded had better eye candy, a better wtf moment and made it a lot more thought provoking... maybe not in the sense of questioning reality... but that architect scene left me with a "?!" over my head in the theatre.

It was a well done movie, I think Revolutions though hit the sidewalk because of the lack of Gloria Foster and the absolutely RETARDED ending.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
DopeyFish said:
Matrix reloaded was a superior movie to the matrix. Though it would not survive as a single movie and required both the original and final movie.

The chase, the burly brawl, the architect (best scene in the entire series) and the chateau fight absolutely smack around both the original and revolutions.

Reloaded had better eye candy, a better wtf moment and made it a lot more thought provoking... maybe not in the sense of questioning reality... but that architect scene left me with a "?!" over my head in the theatre.

It was a well done movie, I think Revolutions though hit the sidewalk because of the lack of Gloria Foster and the absolutely RETARDED ending.

Reloaded was mindless action with no purpose. It is crap.

The Phantom Menace >>>>>> The Matrix Reloaded

Anyone who says Reloaded is better than the original Matrix is no longer allowed to watch movies.
 

isamu

OMFG HOLY MOTHER OF MARY IN HEAVEN I CANT BELIEVE IT WTF WHERE ARE MY SEDATIVES AAAAHHH
DeadStar said:
Absolutely.

The new transfer for the first movie is remarkable, the green tint/ blue tint look fantastic, and gone are the vomitous colours that were so pronounced in the original DVD. It looks like how a Matrix movie sholud look.

The commentaries are interesting. Critics commentary is worth a listen, they certainly bring up valid points, specifically in Revolutions, but for the most part seem completely clueless about the films down to specific plot points, in the end they come way off the mark despite being right in many aspects. The philosopher commentary is certainly stronger, thanks in part to the guys actually knowing what theyre talking about. They go pretty in depth in the movies and raise some great discussion about many details and influences, Larry Wachowskis in particular and give you a better grip with what they were aiming for. Effectively this is as close to a Directors commentary well ever get. My only gripe is both commentaries have a few too many silent spots, and scarily enough West and Wilbur couldve gone even deeper.

Theres also cast commentaries for each movie but theyre DVD ROM and arent up yet

All the revisited documentaries provide very nice in depth behind the scenes footage with each revisited disc clocking in at around 3 hours.

The burly man chronicles which is about a 3 hour doc of set footage from Reloaded and Revolutions is excellent, also featuring a shit load of footage of Andy and Larry doing shit.

Roots of the matrix I havent watched yet, though I read is the highlight of the set.

Last disc is all promo trailers, storyboards, art concepts and all that jazz.

I think personally the biggest point of the set is to rally all 3 movies as a single work, and does a great job at it, which is why im hoping the Wachowski Brothers refuse to release the first movie on its own. And in the end you can see what exactly they were trying to achieve with the sequels. Albeit flawed films they seem to have packed so much dense content in each movie, its astounding.

So uh yeah, its worth it and I dont see any DVD this year or in the near future that will approach just how in depth and informative this set is, effectivle chronicling one of the most important works in modern Science Fiction film making.


Packaging is ace, totally making up for the horrible Revolutions DVD Cover:

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ManaByte said:
Reloaded was mindless action with no purpose. It is crap.

The Phantom Menace >>>>>> The Matrix Reloaded


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Willco

Hollywood Square
I would also argue that The Phantom Menace is better than the two Matrix sequels combined. ManaByte is right on the money when he says all the fights are mindless.

FIRST I MUST APOLOGIZE!

FOR WHAT?

FOR THIS MINDLESS FIGHT THAT WILL NOW ENSUE FOR NO APPARENT REASON [SLAP!]

----------------------------------

MR. ANDERSON THANKS FOR FREEING ME FROM MY DAY JOB, WHATEVER THE FUCK THAT IS.

... KAY.

NOW I WILL FIGHT YOU WITH MORE AND MORE COPIES OF MYSELF, AND YOU'RE FREE TO FLY AWAY AT ANY TIME.

NO I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT YOU FOR NO APPARENT REASON.

GOOD CALL. CUE SHITTY TECHNO MUSIC!

OH NO, WE BLEW ALL OUR FX MONEY IN THAT LAST SHOT, I WILL NOW FLY AWAY!

DAMB YOU SALAZAR!
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Willco said:
I would also argue that The Phantom Menace is better than the two Matrix sequels combined. ManaByte is right on the money when he says all the fights are mindless.

FIRST I MUST APOLOGIZE!

FOR WHAT?

FOR THIS MINDLESS FIGHT THAT WILL NOW ENSUE FOR NO APPARENT REASON [SLAP!]

----------------------------------

MR. ANDERSON THANKS FOR FREEING ME FROM MY DAY JOB, WHATEVER THE FUCK THAT IS.

... KAY.

NOW I WILL FIGHT YOU WITH MORE AND MORE COPIES OF MYSELF, AND YOU'RE FREE TO FLY AWAY AT ANY TIME.

NO I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT YOU FOR NO APPARENT REASON.

GOOD CALL. CUE SHITTY TECHNO MUSIC!

OH NO, WE BLEW ALL OUR FX MONEY IN THAT LAST SHOT, I WILL NOW FLY AWAY!

DAMB YOU SALAZAR!

Barrie Osborne was a producer on the first Matrix. He left to do the LOTR trilogy. That may be why the fights are meaningless.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
Or maybe The Wachowski Bros. just got really, really fucking lucky with the original Matrix. By all accounts, they tried their hardest to fuck it up (Will Smith as Neo?) and they kind of stumbled upon this great action flick.
 

jett

D-Member
What were people expecting out of The Matrix Reloaded? I just expected a full-on action film, where could the plot go? I was surprised there was even a plot. :p The Matrix is not perfect either, unless you love crappy acting and mediocre dialogue.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
jett said:
What were people expecting out of The Matrix Reloaded? I just expected a full-on action film, where could the plot go? I was surprised there was even a plot. :p The Matrix is not perfect either, unless you love crappy acting and mediocre dialogue.
Perfect? No. Leagues ahead of Reloaded and Revolutions? Undeniably.

I can't - and wouldn't even want to - turn my brain off in order to enjoy a movie. Ooh, barely-there plot and pointless nonsensical action scenes! Sorry, I can't lower my IQ to find that stuff engaging.
 

Mason

Member
Willco said:
The Matrix is an exceptional piece of pop-culture cinema. The sequels are horrible. Reloaded is illogical and tedious, pulling every trick out of its figurative sleeve to make you dislike the franchise. Revolutions is laughably bad. I don't think I laughed so damn hard during an action flick in quite some time.

As you think Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 are the best movies ever, I think your opinion on cinema automatically gets thrown out the window.
 

isamu

OMFG HOLY MOTHER OF MARY IN HEAVEN I CANT BELIEVE IT WTF WHERE ARE MY SEDATIVES AAAAHHH
no offense but you're awfully stupid Wilco.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
Mason said:
As you think Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 are the best movies ever, I think your opinion on cinema automatically gets thrown out the window.

I guess that's true if you actually believe that. Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 are easily better than either Matrix sequel, however.

isamu said:
no offense but you're awfully stupid Wilco.

No offense, but you're awfully retarded. I just felt like saying that. Because you are. I'm not sure why, but I think it's because your mom drank when she was pregnant.

Also, have you seen your tag recently? In case you're too stupid to notice it, it reads:

warning: complete idiot

... The tribe has spoken, you've been voted off the island, you're fired, you're the weakest link, etc.
 
Willco said:
Or maybe The Wachowski Bros. just got really, really fucking lucky with the original Matrix. By all accounts, they tried their hardest to fuck it up (Will Smith as Neo?) and they kind of stumbled upon this great action flick.

Sorry, but people who seem to think that the first Matrix was some work of genius simply have no taste and have not seen many movies (and are probably still in their teens).
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
FortNinety said:
Sorry, but people who seem to think that the first Matrix was some work of genius simply have no taste and have not seen many movies (and are probably still in their teens).

I never said it was a work of genius. It's certainly not one of the greatest movies of all-time, but you can't deny what it is -- an undeniably brilliant action flick. You're hard pressed to find another film in the genre that in recent memory has seamlessly incorporated groundbreaking fights and stunts that actually progress the story.
 

Mason

Member
FortNinety said:
Sorry, but people who seem to think that the first Matrix was some work of genius simply have no taste and have not seen many movies (and are probably still in their teens).

How do you figure this? It delivered as an action movie and a sci-fi flick. And if you cared to think about the ideas and questions posed, you realized it actually was a pretty deep movie. I don't think philosophers discuss the film, universities teach classes about it, and books have been written about it simply because "teenagers think it's a work of genius."
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
Mason said:
How do you figure this? It delivered as an action movie and a sci-fi flick. And if you cared to think about the ideas and questions posed, you realized it actually was a pretty deep movie. I don't think philosophers discuss the film, universities teach classes about it, and books have been written about it simply because "teenagers think it's a work of genius."

I will attest that it's a great action flick, but your latter comments are the problem with The Matrix series in general; people blow the whole philosophy shit way out of proportion. I think it's sick the way The Matrix is lauded as this intellectual, secretly amazing film because it includes a bit of thinly veilded philosophy.

It's no better than the way people read into Star Wars to pull all this shit out about The Force, which was regarded in a similiar way to The Matrix's philosopical undertones.
 

Mason

Member
The Force is one pretty obvious metaphor throughout all the films. There are tons of small philisophical ideas the Matrix films touch on and you can either ignore them or think about what they're implying. I don't think people are simply 'reading into it too much' when there are certain themes that pop up again and again and are clearly intentional.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
Mason said:
The Force is one pretty obvious metaphor throughout all the films. There are tons of small philisophical ideas the Matrix films touch on and you can either ignore them or think about what they're implying. I don't think people are simply 'reading into it too much' when there are certain themes that pop up again and again and are clearly intentional.

I'm not denying they exist or that George Lucas and the Wachowski brothers didn't have philosophical and religious themes in mind when they made their respective trilogies, but the extent that individuals have taken into exploring them borders on insane.

When you devote an entire book and a college credit to what is nothing more than afterthought in slideshow of explosions and fights, you are reading into it too much.
 

Mason

Member
How can you read too much into something that's meant to be read into? That's like saying you're insane because you drive your car too much.
 
Hey, my comment was never targeted at Wilco, or anyone here in particular really. I just think in general, it is easily the most overrated sci-fi film in the past five or so years.

Also, I didn't find the action all that impressive.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
Mason said:
How can you read too much into something that's meant to be read into? That's like saying you're insane because you drive your car too much.

No, not at all. It's quite simple. The Matrix incorporates enough shades of philisophy to maybe discuss light-heartedly, but thick books and college credits are now discussing things that aren't even in the movie. There's not enough there to do these things.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
Another thing no one mentioned yet is that at the end of The Matrix, Neo knows he's The One. I mean, he's all calling up the machines and saying "Watch out bitches, The One is here to kick your asses". In Reloaded he's back to being unsure if he's The One, which completely invalidates the ending to the original movie.
 

COCKLES

being watched
Willco said:
The Matrix is an exceptional piece of pop-culture cinema. The sequels are horrible. Reloaded is illogical and tedious, pulling every trick out of its figurative sleeve to make you dislike the franchise. Revolutions is laughably bad. I don't think I laughed so damn hard during an action flick in quite some time.

This is a Spiderman 2 thread?

(checks title)

For someone who told us they would never enter another Matrix thread (three or four Matrix threads ago) you just can't seem to stay away Wilco.
 

Mrbob

Member
Holy fuck please tell me I didn't read some posts stating The Phantom Menace (Arguably, one of the worst 'sequels' ever) is better than the Matrix sequels. The Matrix sequels have their problems, but they both beat down that PoS Lucas tried to pass as a flick.

This collection looks fantastic. I still only own The Matrix on DVD as I've been holding out for a special edition set.
 

Willco

Hollywood Square
COCKLES said:
This is a Spiderman 2 thread?

No, thank God. The Spider-Man series actually gets better with each sequel.

For someone who told us they would never enter another Matrix thread (three or four Matrix threads ago) you just can't seem to stay away Wilco.

I said I would never enter another Matrix sequel thread. Since this incorporates discussion about the original and The Animatrix, I'll make a special exception in your case.

MrBob said:
Holy fuck please tell me I didn't read some posts stating The Phantom Menace (Arguably, one of the worst 'sequels' ever) is better than the Matrix sequels.

First of all, The Phantom Menace is a prequel and if it's comparable to The Matrix sequels, it's only in disappointment.

The Matrix sequels have their problems, but they both beat down that PoS Lucas tried to pass as a flick.

Not really. It's like comparing green feces to brown feces. Which is better?
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Willco said:
No, thank God. The Spider-Man series actually gets better with each sequel.

Not really. It's like comparing green feces to brown feces. Which is better?
There we go. You responded for me ;)
 

karasu

Member
Mason said:
How can you read too much into something that's meant to be read into? That's like saying you're insane because you drive your car too much.


That is quite possibly the worst analogy I've ever read. :lol
 

Dead

well not really...yet
ManaByte said:
Another thing no one mentioned yet is that at the end of The Matrix, Neo knows he's The One. I mean, he's all calling up the machines and saying "Watch out bitches, The One is here to kick your asses". In Reloaded he's back to being unsure if he's The One, which completely invalidates the ending to the original movie.
What? At the end, he finally figured out he was the one, and like you said was all sure about himself. TMR takes place 6 months later, hes now lost and aimless, doesnt know what his purpose actually is anymore. Invalidates the ending? One of Reloadeds primary purposes was to destroy and tear down what the first movie set up.

Your entire point about all the action sequence being pointless is hilarious. Please back this shit up with reasons aside from Barrie Osborn moving on to Lord of the Rings. Mindless and without purpose? Are we talking about the same movies here?

Ridiculous.

And indeed there is of course a difference between digging deep within a movie that is in reality shallow, but the matrix movies were DESIGNED to inspire discussion, Larry Wachowski admitted this, people dissect the movies because the stuff is there, everything in them is purposefully there. Its so painfully obvious yet people refuse to see it. In all honesty I could care less about whatever spirtual and hinduistic aspects influenced or are represented in the movies or how densely multi-layered they are, but to deny that they are there is foolish, when its plain as day.

Enough of this shit.

No, thank God. The Spider-Man series actually gets better with each sequel.
Thank god because I cant imagine them being worse than the first one. It tried to but fortunately failed.

and:

Not really. It's like comparing green feces to brown feces. Which is better?
Its actually comparing two 2 hour toy commercials to one of the most ambitious science fiction works to be put on the screen in the past 15 years.

Allright I think that fills my quota for today, or year for that matter. Im sick and tired of these threads, it always degenerates into the same shit. You fucking despise the movies? Fine, no need to spew your bullshit vitriol in every godamn thread.
 

ManaByte

Gold Member
DeadStar said:
Your entire point about all the action sequence being pointless is hilarious. Please back this shit up with reasons aside from Barrie Osborn moving on to Lord of the Rings. Mindless and without purpose? Are we talking about the same movies here?

Actually, Willco already answered that question:

Willco said:
I would also argue that The Phantom Menace is better than the two Matrix sequels combined. ManaByte is right on the money when he says all the fights are mindless.

FIRST I MUST APOLOGIZE!

FOR WHAT?

FOR THIS MINDLESS FIGHT THAT WILL NOW ENSUE FOR NO APPARENT REASON [SLAP!]

----------------------------------

MR. ANDERSON THANKS FOR FREEING ME FROM MY DAY JOB, WHATEVER THE FUCK THAT IS.

... KAY.

NOW I WILL FIGHT YOU WITH MORE AND MORE COPIES OF MYSELF, AND YOU'RE FREE TO FLY AWAY AT ANY TIME.

NO I WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT YOU FOR NO APPARENT REASON.

GOOD CALL. CUE SHITTY TECHNO MUSIC!

OH NO, WE BLEW ALL OUR FX MONEY IN THAT LAST SHOT, I WILL NOW FLY AWAY!

DAMB YOU SALAZAR!
 
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