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Should I get the Matrix Ultimate Collection?
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ManaByte
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karasu said:
Exactly.
If you want deep and thoughtful sci-fi you fire up something like Solaris, but the problem with that movie is the people who think Matrix is so deep and meaningful can't figure it out. Hell. I, Robot is good in that regard.
I really liked the original Matrix when I saw it in 1999, but I liked it a lot more when I saw it in 1998 and it was titled Dark City.
Those unfortunately dont qualify as valid explanations Manabyte. Especially the reason for the first example is specifically stated in the movie and the reasoning for the second is bunk. The fights are no more "mindless" than the first movie, in other words theyre not. Smith wants to destroy Neo for what hes done to him and taken from him, and Neo thinks he can beat him(s) but obviously realises at the end hes overpowered, surely this isnt more pointless than a stylized lobby shoot out?
What is wrong with that statement Karasu, surely you cant deny with a straight face the scope and ambition of the films? Its undeniable. It doesnt reach the scope of Jacksons LOTR but then thats not science fiction.
Youre missing my point manabyte, im talking pure AMBITION and scope, not "deep and meaningful", realistically nothing comes close. I, Robot ? give me a fucking brake, utterly pedestrian. Solaris is a good movie of course but again thats not what im getting at
What is wrong with that statement Karasu, surely you cant deny with a straight face the scope and ambition of the films? Its undeniable. It doesnt reach the scope of Jacksons LOTR but then thats not science fiction.
Youre missing my point manabyte, im talking pure AMBITION and scope, not "deep and meaningful", realistically nothing comes close. I, Robot ? give me a fucking brake, utterly pedestrian. Solaris is a good movie of course but again thats not what im getting at
karasu
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What scope and ambition? It's a movie about a bunch of machines versus a bunch of humans. There isn't a single thing original about that. This story has been brought to the screen many times in many a medium. I just watched a movie called Arahan, it sucked but it had far more ambition than The Matrix movies. I could never praise a movie because of something so shallow. Simply throwing numbers(100 smiths, two million sentinels, 72 slo mo shots) and mentioning philosophy on the screen is not "scope". If you want me to get a sense of scope, try giving me something to care about. Write a story that doesn't insult my intelligence.
The fights come off as mindless because the characters show little to no emotion when fighting, there's no energy in their movement, and there's no consequence. Trinity did that entire motorcyle scene with like one facial expression. Take off the dumbass sunglasses so we can see who you are. That's my problem with the movies, everything is so contrived. They're trying so hard to be cool that they come off looking like some generic digimon character because of it. Anything you say about Scope or ambition doesn't change that the movies are poorly made. It doesn't make the acting better or the script less annoying. You're right about one thing though, there are a ton of refrences to this and that in these movies. License Plates that refer to bible scriptures, hotel room numbers that refer to other movies, locations that refer to other locations, characters names that refer to other characters etc etc etc. That makes it bloated/heavy handed, not deep. It's so full of it's own shit. Subtelty does not exist in this series.
The fights come off as mindless because the characters show little to no emotion when fighting, there's no energy in their movement, and there's no consequence. Trinity did that entire motorcyle scene with like one facial expression. Take off the dumbass sunglasses so we can see who you are. That's my problem with the movies, everything is so contrived. They're trying so hard to be cool that they come off looking like some generic digimon character because of it. Anything you say about Scope or ambition doesn't change that the movies are poorly made. It doesn't make the acting better or the script less annoying. You're right about one thing though, there are a ton of refrences to this and that in these movies. License Plates that refer to bible scriptures, hotel room numbers that refer to other movies, locations that refer to other locations, characters names that refer to other characters etc etc etc. That makes it bloated/heavy handed, not deep. It's so full of it's own shit. Subtelty does not exist in this series.
Greenpanda
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Illusion said:
Finally, someone gets it right.
SpoonyBard
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Matrix > Dark City > 13th Floor >>> Reloaded >>>>>> Phantom Menace >> Revolutions
Dear God, save your money! Save your money for great unlimited justice! I know the packaging is slick... but have you forgotten the tragedy that occurred on the screen? How the Wachowski Brothers destroyed a potentially good franchise with two bloated, psuedo-philosophical, super over budgeted, yet poorly produced films? They are quite possibly the only people on earth that could managed to make a forty million dollar action set piece featuring fast cars, guns and sword fighting seem boring. For fucks sake, the second movie has a thirty minute wetback orgiastic underground caveman rave... and not only, that shit is interspersed with Neo's naked holed-up body shafting that dirty slutbag Trinity.
I say get it if the critic commentary features a bunch of people just randomly breaking down into tears and mind spasms over the destruction wraught upon the silver screens with these disasters.
I say get it if the critic commentary features a bunch of people just randomly breaking down into tears and mind spasms over the destruction wraught upon the silver screens with these disasters.
I think one part of the problem I had with the Matrix sequel is how ridiculous a room full of leather claded sunglasses wearing people all acting the same way looks.
A few badass characters is okay in a movie, but when you try to make even the extras look like they're badass then it sort of just dilutes the effect.
It's the same reason why I think The Matrix Online will be so incredibly lame.
All the Matrix Revolutions manage to do for me is to make me think how they can probably make a really bitching Superman movie, after seeing Neo fly around like that.
As for Reloaded, well I remember Laurence Fishbourne with a beer belly doing his Captain Kirk impression when rallying all the humans. and that I actually liked Agent Smith more than all the humans in Reloaded/Revolutions and sort of wished that he had won and taken over the world.
I don't know, guess I just have a soft spot for over the top cliche supervillainy.
A few badass characters is okay in a movie, but when you try to make even the extras look like they're badass then it sort of just dilutes the effect.
It's the same reason why I think The Matrix Online will be so incredibly lame.
All the Matrix Revolutions manage to do for me is to make me think how they can probably make a really bitching Superman movie, after seeing Neo fly around like that.
As for Reloaded, well I remember Laurence Fishbourne with a beer belly doing his Captain Kirk impression when rallying all the humans. and that I actually liked Agent Smith more than all the humans in Reloaded/Revolutions and sort of wished that he had won and taken over the world.
I don't know, guess I just have a soft spot for over the top cliche supervillainy.
Prince of Space
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Dark City>>>>Matrix=Animatrix>>Phantom Menace>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Revolutions>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>getting poop for Christmas>>>>>>>>>Reloaded
Greenpanda said:
Yeah, I'm gonna hafta go with this order too.
Anyway out of all the people that participated in this thread, I am dissapointed to see only a handful of you will be buying this collection for sure. I think it's sad. Regardless of how crappy you think the sequels were, the sheer amount of over the top extras should be enough to make you buy the set if only to discover plenty of the things that went on behind the scenes to make this franchise happend.
I seriously don't think there is another dvd box set out there that matches this collection in extras and commentaries.
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