Sign me up for "PS3 HDMI -> BD looks the same as DVD" camp, please

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I know I'm going to get the forum's AVS fans all over me with this, but the PS3's DVD up-scaling must be amazing, because I just can't tell the difference between Blu-Ray and DVD at 720p.

Set: Bravia 26" @ 720p. (KLV-S26A10)
Player: PS3
Connection: HDMI (direct)

I've looked at a few for direct comparison so far. Casino Royale (my test) and Catch and Release (wife's) both were pretty underwhelming. On Catch and Release in particular, I honestly couldn't tell the difference when testing blindly.

I don't know what could be wrong with me. I have optometrist-certified perfect vision. I'm able to make out obvious artifacts in the Blu-Ray versions (whether it's just compression or a poor film transfer, I can't tell). Casino Royale generally looked a little cleaner, but definitely not a jump.

So what do I need?

1. Better vision
2. Less bias
3. A 1080p set
4. More hype
 
Juice said:
I know I'm going to get the forum's AVS fans all over me with this, but the PS3's DVD up-scaling must be amazing, because I just can't tell the difference between Blu-Ray and DVD at 720p.

Set: Bravia 26" @ 720p. (KLV-S26A10)
Player: PS3
Connection: HDMI (direct)

I've looked at a few for direct comparison so far. Casino Royale (my test) and Catch and Release (wife's) both were pretty underwhelming. On Catch and Release in particular, I honestly couldn't tell the difference when testing blindly.

I don't know what could be wrong with me. I have optometrist-certified perfect vision. I'm able to make out obvious artifacts in the Blu-Ray versions (whether it's just compression or a poor film transfer, I can't tell). Casino Royale generally looked a little cleaner, but definitely not a jump.

So what do I need?

1. Better vision
2. Less bias
3. A 1080p set
4. More hype
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Glasses
 
Juice said:
I know I'm going to get the forum's AVS fans all over me with this, but the PS3's DVD up-scaling must be amazing, because I just can't tell the difference between Blu-Ray and DVD at 720p.

Set: Bravia 26" @ 720p. (KLV-S26A10)
Player: PS3
Connection: HDMI (direct)

I've looked at a few for direct comparison so far. Casino Royale (my test) and Catch and Release (wife's) both were pretty underwhelming. On Catch and Release in particular, I honestly couldn't tell the difference when testing blindly.

I don't know what could be wrong with me. I have optometrist-certified perfect vision. I'm able to make out obvious artifacts in the Blu-Ray versions (whether it's just compression or a poor film transfer, I can't tell). Casino Royale generally looked a little cleaner, but definitely not a jump.

So what do I need?

1. Better vision
2. Less bias
3. A 1080p set
4. More hype
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a 32inch tv and above.
 
Viewing distance. With that size TV and 720p you're gonna have to be pretty close to see any extra detail.
 
Set: Bravia 26" @ 720p. (KLV-S26A10)
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That is most likely the problem. The difference increases with the size.

Interesting though. Just makes you think that even though HD adoption is increasing, not everyone is going to go out and buy 50''+ televisions.
 
I've been somewhat underwhelmed so far myself, and that includes 1080p via a Dell 2407 monitor. Casino Royale looked good, but not convincing enough of the format. The Fountain as well.

I will say that Crank downloaded via XBL at 720p was more impressive than anything I've yet seen on Blu-Ray.
 
Mr. Pachunga Chung said:
That is most likely the problem. The difference increases with the size.

Interesting though. Just makes you think that even though HD adoption is increasing, not everyone is going to go out and buy 50''+ televisions.
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HD sets still look good even at smaller sizes. Most people who have the smaller units are because they live in a dorm or for the bedroom or just can't afford the more expensive sets but want to join so to speak.
 
I can tell the difference between SD and HD content on my 20.1" LCD monitor easily, you should be seeing improvement at 26". I say you should try and calibrate your TV.
 
Can you tell the difference, in terms of quality, between an OTA/Cable/Satellite HD broadcast and your DVD's?

Edit: Your TV may be small, but you should still be able to see some differences.
 
Yeah, 26 inch is 66 cm. That's kind of small; HD shows with tvs where standard resolution would get the pixels so big they're noticeable. Something above 82cm would start to get you closer into that territory.
 
1080p is definitely not needed to get a major upgrade. A 720p/768p plasma makes the diff very obvious.

With a set that small, you literally have to sit around 3 feet away to resolve all the detail of high-def.
 
If I pop in a DVD after watching a Blu-ray, I find myself constantly taking off my glasses and wiping them off. Not on purpose, it's just the natural thing to do when things don't look as clear as I think they should be 3;
 
I know I am going to get flamed for this, accused of being a troll, etc....

BUT

I think HD DVD's on my 360 ad on look better than BR movies from my PS3 through HDMI. I have a native 720P Panasonic RP LCD.

Given since the last firmware update that allows me to run BD's at 720P they look tons better but still not as crisp as the HD DVD's look. I have and enjoy movies on both formats though.

Either way they BOTH look better than upscaled DVD's.
 
Juice said:
I've looked at a few for direct comparison so far. Casino Royale (my test) and Catch and Release (wife's) both were pretty underwhelming. On Catch and Release in particular, I honestly couldn't tell the difference when testing blindly.
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...well that's your problem right there! :lol :lol :lol

Juice said:
Set: Bravia 26" @ 720p. (KLV-S26A10)
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Seriously though...there is the problem. That's a tiny, tiny HDTV. With that small a monitor you just aren't going to get a great "WOW" factor with any form of HD content.
 
I say, well encoded PAL DVD's at 576 resolution upscaled to 720p looks great.

Bluray and HD-DVD have some good advantages over DVD... but for the averange consumer they just wont matter. For me they really don't.

Digital distribution is the true successor to DVD.
 
MechDX said:
I know I am going to get flamed for this, accused of being a troll, etc....

BUT

I think HD DVD's on my 360 ad on look better than BR movies from my PS3 through HDMI. I have a native 720P Panasonic RP LCD.

Given since the last firmware update that allows me to run BD's at 720P they look tons better but still not as crisp as the HD DVD's look. I have and enjoy movies on both formats though.

Either way they BOTH look better than upscaled DVD's.
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Depends on the films. I have some hd dvds that have awful transfers and are only marginally better than their sd counterparts. Same goes for BD.
 
Your TV is too small.

Watched Pirates on blu ray back to back with the dvd version certain scenes on a 42" DLP. Blu Ray blew away DVD. Made DVD look like a VHS tape.
 
Get a bigger HDTV man. At LEAST 32 and you should see huge differences. If you are planning on getting a new set then get a 1080p 40"+ set and you won't say what you posted today ever again. :D
 
nubbe said:
I say, well encoded PAL DVD's at 576 resolution upscaled to 720p looks great.

Bluray and HD-DVD have some good advantages over DVD... but for the averange consumer they just wont matter. For me they really don't.

Digital distribution is the true successor to DVD.
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no
 
Pristine_Condition said:
Seriously though...there is the problem. That's a tiny, tiny HDTV. With that small a monitor you just aren't going to get a great "WOW" factor with any form of HD content.
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it isn't that small....
 
narcosis219 said:
Get a bigger HDTV man. At LEAST 32 and you should see huge differences. If you are planning on getting a new set then get a 1080p 40"+ set and you won't say what you posted today ever again. :D
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QFT

planet earth was amazing on on BD @ 1080p w/HDMI.... AMAZING!!!
 
nubbe said:
I say, well encoded PAL DVD's at 576 resolution upscaled to 720p looks great.

Bluray and HD-DVD have some good advantages over DVD... but for the averange consumer they just wont matter. For me they really don't.

Digital distribution is the true successor to DVD.
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I agree.
 
Crayon Shinchan said:
How far are you sitting from your 26"?

I'd say more sense is what's needed in your comparison.
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My couch is situated about 4'6" away. I realize that it would look better with a 50" TV. But even when I'm standing a foot or two away, the difference isn't appreciable.

LJ11 said:
Can you tell the difference, in terms of quality, between an OTA/Cable/Satellite HD broadcast and your DVD's?

Edit: Your TV may be small, but you should still be able to see some differences.
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When I had Comcast, I rarely saw any "wow" content through HD because it was an old-as-hell house/neighborhood and the compression was ridiculous.

Now I've got Time Warner in a brand new building in a brand new area of town, and I swear I've seen a few shows in HD on TNT/Discovery that were significantly more impressive than the Blu-Ray discs I've watched so far.
 
You could also try unchecking 1080i in your resolution settings, so your blu ray movie playback is at 720P where the PS3 does the scaling. Perhaps your bravia TV isnt good at scaling a 1080i signal.

Go into resolution and just have 720P checkmarked.
 
26 inches doesn't sound that small until you realize that it's a widescreen set. a 26 inch fullscreen is quite a bit larger.
 
are you comparing two of the same film?

i recently got Pirates 2 on blu-ray, having already watched it to death on dvd. after projecting it onto a 66" silver screen i was blown away. the detail is truly amazing, and the vibrant colours. i definitely felt it was the next step from dvd, such as vhs -> dvd

i also have a 26" bravia (KDLS2010U) and can see the difference when sitting up close. obviously, not as noticeable as on the projector, but definitely improved from the dvd

edit* note, my projector displays 1080p, and my 26" i use 720p
 
Juice said:
When I had Comcast, I rarely saw any "wow" content through HD because it was an old-as-hell house/neighborhood and the compression was ridiculous.

Now I've got Time Warner in a brand new building in a brand new area of town, and I swear I've seen a few shows in HD on TNT/Discovery that were significantly more impressive than the Blu-Ray discs I've watched so far.
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So it's not the size of the TV, because you've been impressed by compressed Cable HD. Try watching some of the better reference BR discs (Pirates, Planet Earth etc). If those don't impress you, well not much will.
 
Sage00 said:
Then I recommend you see an optician.
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I have. I have significantly better than 20/20 vision. I've had one optometrist tell me as recently as 2 years ago that "in 27 years of practice, you're the 3rd person I've tested to have perfect vision."
 
Juice said:
My couch is situated about 4'6" away. I realize that it would look better with a 50" TV. But even when I'm standing a foot or two away, the difference isn't appreciable.



When I had Comcast, I rarely saw any "wow" content through HD because it was an old-as-hell house/neighborhood and the compression was ridiculous.

Now I've got Time Warner in a brand new building in a brand new area of town, and I swear I've seen a few shows in HD on TNT/Discovery that were significantly more impressive than the Blu-Ray discs I've watched so far.
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Then you've got a really bad scaler on your TV? is your TV 720p native?

That been said, I haven't had much firsthand experience with 720p upscaling... I've seen the difference between 1080p BD and 1080p upscaled, and the difference is very appreciable.
 
oh man! my 360 is hooked up to a 23 inch 1080p TV and there's a huge different between SD and HD content. probably you sit way too far away from your set. I'm sitting less than a meter away from my TV (so a bigger TV wouldn't make sense).
 
pn18 said:
oh man! my 360 is hooked up to a 23 inch 1080p TV and there's a huge different between SD and HD content. probably you sit way too far away from your set. I'm sitting less than a meter away from my TV (so a bigger TV wouldn't make sense).
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Didnt realise they made 1080p 23inch tvs.
 
I don't want to live in a world where a 26" TV is tiny...That world sucks. I hardly have space for my 13" tv in my dorm.
 
Hey speaking of which, would there be any point in getting a LCD monitor that's 1920x1200 then? Or would there be no difference and better off at 720p monitor?

Sorry to hijack just need to clarify.

And 26inch is pretty big, OP do you live in a dorm or for bedroom use?
 
Xeke said:
I don't want to live in a world where a 26" TV is tiny...That world sucks. I hardly have space for my 13" tv in my dorm.
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1) Flat panels have a small footprint

2) You live in a dorm :p
 
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