Huh, and its between 2015 and 2016 that attacks jumped up...
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Six hurt in 'acid attack' at Stratford Centre in London (UK)
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Huh, and its between 2015 and 2016 that attacks jumped up...
Sevenfold
Member
Water eventually thins the liquid to the point where it's no longer effective. What do you think is happening in the meantime?
Diprosalic
Banned
there are better reasons to never go to london again. this ranks pretty low.
Another danger is when you try to get it off with too little water. In that case you are only dilluting it a bit (which can still cause burns) and spreading it even more over your body.
There's also the fact that adding water to acid makes it generate heat, sometimes to the point of boiling.
Sunster
Member
I mean, tell that to someone with burning acid on their skin? they're not going to wait for a lab report.
Marvel
could never
I know? but it's a risk you take when you use water... a very serious risk to the poor victim. It's now becoming advised not to do so.
Don't get snippy.
SixMachine
Member
I read some crazy stuff about acid attacks, I think a few months ago a crazy guy threw acid on some women because they were brown and it was life threatening for one women because it damage them so badly it effected breathing. How much can modern medicine recover a person from acid? I know it is something that will stick with a person but I wonder what extent it can help a victim.
I disagree with this.
In cases such as this, eye for an eye is more than justifiable.
Fuck that Sharia law bullshit.
elrechazado
Banned
Why is acid attack in quotes?
Because they didn't know what the substance was I guess.
Those worried about being attacked. As a black dude London is far safer for me then most of US sadly.
Messofanego
Banned
That's like an hour from me. Damn.
Emperor_Uriel
Member
This is really the new objective for a lot of these little shits, huh? Why kill the person when you can force them to live after being mutilated.
Cases like these, which involve vicious sadism, ought to lead to very long prison sentences. No mercy for those who take pleasure in the pain of others.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I lean a bit to the right when it comes to retaliation, I must admit. This idea doesnt offend me.
The other thing that springs to mind is going full Jesse Pinkman, and having the victims take their cut from anything they earn for life if they cause life-changing injuries (not so in this case).
In reality, they should be forced to provide care for the victims for however long it is needed.
shnurgleton
Member
It's just drain cleaner? Jeez, I guess I've accidentally acid attacked myself before
ChainedMaster
Banned
An eye for an eye is from the Christian Bible and Jewish Torah, not the Quran.
shnurgleton
Member
In the Christian bible It's also held up as an example of what not to do. Ever heard the phrase "turn the other cheek"?
Do you know what the advice is, Marvel? Everything I've found says clean water/saline solution.
Edit: Thinking back to the last "epidemic" I recall getting coverage in the media (aside from "plain" stabbings)... It was stabbings to the rectal area to "maim". Although, I think an attempt was made at Dizzee Rascal years ago.
ChainedMaster
Banned
The New Testament does rescind many things from the Old Testament. It is nonethless in the Bible and many Christians do believe in it regardless.
Emperor_Uriel
Member
Nah, sadism does not belong in a healthy modern society and is never justified. Even as an act of vengeance, we cannot let ourselves see these methods as anything other than abhorrent.
Providing financial support for life, on the other hand, is a punishment I'd support.
Marvel
could never
This is the point and why I said it's a shitty situation. There is advice for and against water rinsing, it can be a gamble.
It depends on the chemical itself or how you apply the water as someone else here stated, it can spread the substance and burn more of the victim.
Someone my sister knew many years ago had a type of acid thrown at her, landed on her arm. Water was used naturally in the panic to help. Dr said it made the injury a lot worse, ate more tissue because of increased heat.
CyclopsRock
Member
How many victims do you think would like to be cared for by the person that threw acid in their face?
Visualante2
Member
Next you'll be asking for public toilets...
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Did I really need to explicitly say that this would have to be at the discretion of the victim?
Those already exist. Usually theyre signposted Costa or Starbucks or something else a bit misleading.
Chemical attacks are a special kind of sickening.
It's an attempt to scar physically and mentally. It isn't even an attempt to kill - it's an attempt to kill whatever life that person had and leave them with a more difficult one.
If you're caught at any point in the process of commiting an acid attack those should be the last seconds of freedom you ever experience.
It's an attempt to scar physically and mentally. It isn't even an attempt to kill - it's an attempt to kill whatever life that person had and leave them with a more difficult one.
If you're caught at any point in the process of commiting an acid attack those should be the last seconds of freedom you ever experience.
Surely it would be better for them to serve for a charity that helps victims of acid attacks rather than being a private nurse for their victim, which is just super creepy
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Court-mandated direct victim/attacker interaction is pretty successful for rehabilitation. Closure for the victim, and the attacker understands cause and effect a lot better.
tonysidaway
Member
I thought I'd check, and GBH has a maximum penalty of life. According to the Crown Prosecution Service the prosecutor guidelines have been updated to advise them to press for this maximum sentence if they can demonstrate to the court that the defendant acted with "intent to maim, disfigure or disable".
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...n-service-cps-east-london-burns-a7877311.html
And I have to say I hate it when people say "oh it's gang violence, normal people are safe." The country isn't divided into gangs, and all violence negatively affects the public peace. In this epidemic, however, it's clear that the types of attack and the profiles of the victims are not typical of the kind usually dismissed as "gang violence."
tonysidaway
Member
Usually applied in low-level cases. In cases of GBH it is a given that the attacker is a danger to all and must not be left at liberty for a considerable time. Typically a court might add an order forbidding the attacker to approach the victim.
So you think the justice system should itself be above the law? What kind of an example is that setting?
We do not respond to atrocities with equal barbaric force.
An hour isn't really that close. Some of us live like 2 minutes from this shit.
tonysidaway
Member
Quite. The courts have the power to keep the attackers off the streets for a long time, or sentence them to life. In the UK life means even after they've served the full tariff they can only be freed on licence, with parole requirements for the rest of their lives, and subject to instant return to complete their sentence if they ever put a foot wrong again.
MegaMelon
Member
Glad (?) to hear this is gang related and not one of the much more horrible random/racial/robbery based attacks. Heck I'm going Westfield on Friday for some shopping and was using the train day after that bomb recently on the underground...gotta keep your head held high and carry on I guess.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I do get this, and Ive been to London a lot recently without batting an eyelid.
However, Id seriously think twice about taking my kids right now. So I guess the terrorists and these assholes have done their job.
Do you know what the other option is for that situation if you only have water available at the time?
Glad to hear prosecutors are being encouraged to throw the book at anyone doing this.
tonysidaway
Member
Whatever the recommendations on this thread, the Metropolitan Police are arming their bobbies with eye protection, gauntlets and five-litre (1 imperial gallon) bottles of water.
http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/n...-strong-corrosives-must-be-licensed-1-5177247
http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/n...-strong-corrosives-must-be-licensed-1-5177247
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Thats a hell of a weight to carry around on foot.
tonysidaway
Member
They travel in squad cars. I don't think the neighbourhood police or the specials would be involved.
tonysidaway
Member
Also in that article about the acid response kits:
Bet attacking the homeless is higher. We got a lot of wastes that find that shit funny.
entremet
Member
Why? Seems like a strange outlier. Gangs?
Most probably but not on other gang members. 450 odd attacks there since 2010 and 1800 in all of London.
Demoskinos
Member
Acid attacks are especially heinous. Having some asshole disfigure you for life would be emotionally and mentally damaging for the rest of your life.
There's a large south Asian population in Newham and acid is a popular form of attack in places like India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. Nearly a third of acid victims in London are Asian.