Snapchat lost $2.2B last quarter, stock down 25% after-hours

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http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/10/technology/snapchat-earnings/

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How do you lose that much money with something as basic of a concept as Snapchat?

Were the commercials with the ghosts and celebrities that expensive?
 
I have only used it on a handful of occasions and have like 5 people I am friends with on it, but Instagram's stories function seemed to absolutely crush it in terms of that regard so I don't really see the point. If you want to use the filters, you can always just save the photo and share it elsewhere..

When I do open the app, the few people I knew who did use it don't seem to have posted anything in the last 24 hours almost every time but I am definitely not in their target market.
 
Not particularly surprising. Snap is slow as molasses compared to the other options, and facebook has been out for blood with a vengeance, so...
 
How do you lose that much money with something as basic of a concept as Snapchat?

Were the commercials with the ghosts and celebrities that expensive?

The company reported a net loss of $2.2 billion (yes, with a "B") for the quarter, due in large part to $2 billion in compensation costs tied to going public. Even without that one-time cost, however, Snap's loss doubled from the same quarter a year earlier.

Most of the loss is from going public.
 
Yeah, pretty sure a big part of it is due to Instagram adding Stories.
I talk to a lot of people between the ages of 18-25 and it seems most of them have moved on from Snapchat, pretty much everyone uses Instagram for stories now.
 
Probably showing my age but I don't know anyone who uses it. How are they trying to monetize?

Snapchat is (or was) supposed to be the next big thing in social media, but corporations really don't know how to take advantage of it. Snapchat themselves have made it hard for advertisers to monetize by not providing much in the way of analytics.

Short answer is no one knows.
 
Instagram and Snapchat are still fundamentally different in use.

Snapchat is for real life, Instagram is for fake life.
 
Don't they charge for those ridiculous dog, rabbit, etc filters I see people uploading videos of all the time?

I certainly hope they do, charge a buck...there's money to be made in those filter hills.
 
Isn't it pretty happy he with younger kids and stuff, who are pretty fickle and quick to move on to whatever the next thing they've all decided they're gonna use instead is.
 
Don't they charge for those ridiculous dog, rabbit, etc filters I see people uploading videos of all the time?

I certainly hope they do, charge a buck...there's money to be made in those filter hills.
They used to but they stopped that. Now the filters change every so often or are random or something, not sure exactly.
 
Is it because Instagram borrowed some of their features?
Likely, didn't Instagram already outpace Snapchat in how many stories are posted daily or whatever?

The future of Snap Inc. is kind of up in the air, they've got their hardware thing going but I don't think that's a solid bet.
 
Is Facebook the only social media focused company making money at the moment? I thought Twitter wasn't doing well and now Snapchat appears to be failing as well. It is hard to feel sorry for Snapchat. Their CEO is an Apple fanboy and as a result the Android experience has been awful for years until very recently, not to mention they pretty much ignored Windows Phone/Windows 10.
 
They have a product people really like, but can't monetize it without alienating the users who are most active, and goes against the reason many people like it.

Certainly don't envy their problem.
 
It doesn't immediately strike me as unhealthy but it is the reality of the modern mid-sized software company. There is an increasingly widening gap wealth you have to cross to maintain yourself, especially if you aren't focused on a very niche industry. You need to spend like a goddam madman in order to push ahead before an established giant decides they need growth and throws a 1000 highly paid developers, millions of dollars in marketing, and uses their established platforms to push you out and make themselves the default. The only way it works is if you are willing to risk more than they are comfortable with, and much of the time it's on borrowed money.
 
Is Facebook the only social media focused company making money at the moment? I thought Twitter wasn't doing well and now Snapchat appears to be failing as well. It is hard to feel sorry for Snapchat. Their CEO is an Apple fanboy and as a result the Android experience has been awful for years until very recently, not to mention they pretty much ignored Windows Phone/Windows 10.

What? I've been using Snapchat daily for 3+ years and never had any issues on my Android.
 
woooooooooooooow

yeah they're fucked. at least 90% of my snapchat friends are inactive, now just posting instagram live stories.
 
What? I've been using Snapchat daily for 3+ years and never had any issues on my Android.

As someone who uses the app every day, would you have any idea how they make money?

(not asking because I don't know, asking because you would see their efforts the most)
 
I've been using Snapchat for years and even own the Spectacles, which were a blast for a while.

But, the service just feels like a ghost town now. Most of my friends have moved to Instagram Stories, and I get infinitely more traffic on my posts there.
 
It was obvious they were overvalued. Too much hype with some of these social media companies, people hoping to catch the next FB.
 
As someone who uses the app every day, would you have any idea how they make money?

(not asking because I don't know, asking because you would see their efforts the most)

The only way right now is probably through the ads that appear if you swipe left twice. Medias like Vogue, Cosmopolitan and Daily Mail have their own feeds in there that sort of rotate in some weird way. Also sponsored filters, I remember the Batman v Superman one was pretty cool
 
Why? Are users abandoning the app?

I dunno, doesn't feel like it. Their biggest problem is they don't have any particularly useful way to monetize it outside of forced ads and FB/IG's "story" implementation has essentially swallowed their whole concept into something with a much higher userbase. Its a shame to see really.
 
Instagram has basically become Snapchat and other social media networks have been trying to ape the Snapchat model themselves. Not surprising to see such a huge loss-- and it won't be turning around anytime soon.
 
Android photos tend to be pretty bad in comparison with the iPhone version.

Android version doesn't use any platform specific APIs for the camera like the IOS app does or like other Android apps do. You're pretty much directly limited by your phones's camera HW and raw camera input. Even on the best of the best phones, with cameras tested as better than Iphone's it still doesn't look as good as the IOS version or other apps do.
It was obvious they were overvalued. Too much hype with some of these social media companies, people hoping to catch the next FB.

I dunno about overvalued. The concept is a hit and has definitely taken off, with FB basically directly ripping off stories for itself and IG and seeing immediate success.
 
Is Facebook the only social media focused company making money at the moment? I thought Twitter wasn't doing well and now Snapchat appears to be failing as well. It is hard to feel sorry for Snapchat. Their CEO is an Apple fanboy and as a result the Android experience has been awful for years until very recently, not to mention they pretty much ignored Windows Phone/Windows 10.
They prioritise the iOS version because it's much more popular than the Android app https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/2/14491356/snapchat-users-number-monthly-iphone-vs-android

I still use it tons, way more than Facebook and Instagram and probably as much as Twitter.
 
So looks like they went public, hit their first quarter as a public company by underperforming, and then paid out 2 BILLION in shareholder compensation for the cratering share price, which forced the share price down even further, etc.
 
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