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SNK interview - Metal Slug 6, Sam 6 and why Atomiswave...
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I'm surprised Koyama said as much as he does about the Sony approval process.
"Moving on to recent difficulties with the submissions process at Sony Computer Entertainment America, Koyama-san let the firms frustration with recent events be known. As regular readers of SPOnG will know, SNKs US offering, headed up by the infamous Ben Herman, has had some difficulties in its attempts to get games already on open sale in Japan accepted as stand-alone PlayStation 2 releases. Sony just isnt interested in 2D games anymore whatever it might be, exclaimed Koyama-san. And yet shitty games, as long as they are in 3D, trickle trough all the time. Its a crazy situation and we dont believe it reflects the needs of game consumers. This is why we decided to release Metal Slug 4 and 5 as Xbox exclusive.
boutrosinit--Thanks for the link.
"Moving on to recent difficulties with the submissions process at Sony Computer Entertainment America, Koyama-san let the firms frustration with recent events be known. As regular readers of SPOnG will know, SNKs US offering, headed up by the infamous Ben Herman, has had some difficulties in its attempts to get games already on open sale in Japan accepted as stand-alone PlayStation 2 releases. Sony just isnt interested in 2D games anymore whatever it might be, exclaimed Koyama-san. And yet shitty games, as long as they are in 3D, trickle trough all the time. Its a crazy situation and we dont believe it reflects the needs of game consumers. This is why we decided to release Metal Slug 4 and 5 as Xbox exclusive.
boutrosinit--Thanks for the link.
Apharmd Battler
Member
Interesting....good read as well. Thanks for the link........
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Heh, now hear this:
Posted by Qroach @ B3D (he's a developer, btw):
Sony rejects a lot of games at the concept phase, as they can afford to. You wouldn't beleive the number of games each week that get turned down by SCEA. Last year when I talked to the guys htere, they told me there were up to rejecting about 20 games each week, and that was around july. They reject more and more games each year, mainly becuase more and more are submitted. nintendo and MS rarely reject anything.
Posted by Qroach @ B3D (he's a developer, btw):
Sony rejects a lot of games at the concept phase, as they can afford to. You wouldn't beleive the number of games each week that get turned down by SCEA. Last year when I talked to the guys htere, they told me there were up to rejecting about 20 games each week, and that was around july. They reject more and more games each year, mainly becuase more and more are submitted. nintendo and MS rarely reject anything.
SolidSnakex
Member
"Last year when I talked to the guys htere, they told me there were up to rejecting about 20 games each week, and that was around july. They reject more and more games each year, mainly becuase more and more are submitted."
Considering the majority of games made today are 3D, that'd mean most if not all of those are 3D. So much for "They'll let anything through just as long as they're 3D".
Considering the majority of games made today are 3D, that'd mean most if not all of those are 3D. So much for "They'll let anything through just as long as they're 3D".
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
A Metal Slug Collection on the Gamecube seems like a perfect fit. I'll never understand SNKUSA's official line on the topic of GC development: "It's too late into the lifecycle of the system to start developing games on it." Xbox exclusivity just seems like a bit of a waste because those Metal Slug releases will be overshadowed by so many other games (the same way sports games are overshadowed on the Gamecube only worse).
I mean just look at how well Sonic Mega Collection sold. And now the Megaman Collection is currently on track to sell more on the Gamecube than the PS2 (this despite it being the inferior version). Then of course there was the Zelda compilation which was a huge success as well. These sorts of series compilations just seem to click with the Gamecube's audience. A Metal Slug Collection really seems like a no brainer to me but what the hell do I know?
I mean just look at how well Sonic Mega Collection sold. And now the Megaman Collection is currently on track to sell more on the Gamecube than the PS2 (this despite it being the inferior version). Then of course there was the Zelda compilation which was a huge success as well. These sorts of series compilations just seem to click with the Gamecube's audience. A Metal Slug Collection really seems like a no brainer to me but what the hell do I know?
ravingloon
Member
So Sony rejects 1000 games a year. Impressive! Of course, too bad these are mythological games, because it surely doesn't apply to the Akklaims and Infograms of the world. And Japan isn't having that many games a year published, so it can't be that Japanese released games are all being rejected. But impressive rhetoric none-the-less. I guess Sony is really taking a stand against concepts submitted with the home-brew linux kit.
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And yet, I wonder how well MS4 and 5 will do on the Xbox.
shoplifter
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ge-man said:
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SolidSnakex
Member
MoxManiac said:
Going by retail sites, it still is. Seems like another one of Spong's "stories".
Mr_Furious
Member
I kind of doubt Sony denies that many concepts per week (at least on a consistent basis).Marconelly said:
We've already been down this road too many times before.SolidSnakex said:
I have a feeling Sony wants a $20 price point while SNK probably wants to stick to their $40 price point but that's just my guess.MoxManiac said:
Invertibrate
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Marconelly said:
This statement is incorrect.
Hellraizah
Member
It's still in the release dates for PS2, yet, you can see the "Only for Xbox" logo on the box :
Mr_Furious
Member
I'd believe SNK over EB or Gamestop anyday. Hell, both stores/sites had MS3 listed even after it was widely known that Sony officially rejected it.Hellraizah said:It's still in the release dates for PS2, yet, you can see the "Only for Xbox" logo on the box :
Hellraizah
Member
I agree.......but remember it has been said on Spong. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. However......Mr_Furious said:
http://www.snkneogeousaconsumer.com/corporate/press/e3_2k4.shtml
"Bonus Combination DVD packs on the PlayStation 2 and Xbox
PlayStation 2 and Xbox owners can have an instant SNK arcade library in their home with the release of two SNK combination packs for the systems. The classic SNK franchises, METAL SLUG and THE KING OF FIGHTERS will be launched as special two-games-in-one packages during the second half of 2004 and the first half of 2005. METAL SLUG 4 & 5 Combo and THE KING OF FIGHTERS 2002 & 2003 will be available for a consumer-friendly $39.99 MSRP."
Which is an official press release from SNK, maybe it changed afterward, who knows....
Mr_Furious
Member
that PR was dated 4/29 and I'm assuming the Spong interview occured more recently so I think things have changed for MS4&5's plans.
btw, although Spong has a bad reputation for being wrong a lot, they also have been right on surprising occasions. Also this is an "interview" and I doubt even Spong has the balls to doctor up a phony interview with a major company executive.
btw, although Spong has a bad reputation for being wrong a lot, they also have been right on surprising occasions. Also this is an "interview" and I doubt even Spong has the balls to doctor up a phony interview with a major company executive.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
Mr_Furious said:
The interview took place yesterday in London. And most of the stuff that some of you guys are saying could be bullshit, are things personally confirmed by senior SNK staffers to Spong on that very day. I'd definitely trust this as on the money.
Has anyone played MS3 on Xbox yet? A fun 2d shooter with co-op sounds great right now! I've only played the MS series sparsely in arcades. If I enjoyed it and wanted to review the whole series is there a way to access the original titles? I think they were on the Neo-geo, but I don't have one.
Hellraizah
Member
If it's true, then, it's really sad to see Sony pass on such a great serie. I guess SNK will maybe move on elsewhere, if they are sick of all this shit. Maybe Nintendo. I agree that SNK would make a great addition to the GameCube's line-up of developpers. I don't want to play any fighting game with the GC controller, though.
seismologist
Banned
Sony's approval process doesn't have anything to do with games being 2D. Otherwise we wouldn't be getting Guilty Gear X3 and Phantom Brave.
They probably just dont want a bunch of 16 bit ports sitting on the shelf released at full price. Which is understandable.
They probably just dont want a bunch of 16 bit ports sitting on the shelf released at full price. Which is understandable.
shoplifter
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seismologist said:
Why not let the market decide what a game is worth?
SolidSnakex
Member
seismologist said:
Winner! Whenever a game looks like it belongs on next gen systems, they don't really seem to give much trouble (if any) about releasing it. The big problem is that 2D developers aren't trying to push the graphics at all. They're just fine sticking to stuff that they've been using for years and years now. Sony does the same with 3D games, they canned Charlies Angels for example because UBI wouldn't fix it up. Yah it's being a graphics tart and all, but it could easily be fixed if 2D developers started pushing the graphics more instead of using the same engine over and over.
I think that more than 2D-hate, SCEA position is the following: "We cannot charge full price for games that the casual mass is going to despise". They try to pack them to make more atractive to the gamers...
I say SCEA because it's clear that SCEE approach is totally diferent...2 days ago I paid 30 for Hyper Street Fighter 2.
I say SCEA because it's clear that SCEE approach is totally diferent...2 days ago I paid 30 for Hyper Street Fighter 2.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
SolidSnakex said:
Couldn't have said it better myself...
Though I'm still unclear as to why Greg's Horror Show was a no-show in the States.
SolidSnakex
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boutrosinit said:
That I can't really defend.
Was it officially shot down or did Capcom ever try to bring it over? I know some said NAMCO tried to bring ToD2 over and that turned out to be false, so you never know now.radios shipping overview
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shoplifter said:
Quoted for emphasis.
shoplifter
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SyNapSe said:
Yet, it's worth every damn penny.
\/\/ it's just MS3. If you want to play the earlier ones, you'll have to grab the Saturn or Neo MS1, Neo MS2 or PS1 MSX
You should buy it. It's great.
shoplifter said:
Has anyone played MS3 on Xbox yet? A fun 2d shooter with co-op sounds great right now! I've only played the MS series sparsely in arcades. If I enjoyed it and wanted to review the whole series is there a way to access the original titles? I think they were on the Neo-geo, but I don't have one.
SolidSnakex
Member
NotMSRP said:
Well the majority of the best sellers cost 50, so obviously it's worth it to the consumer or else they wouldn't buy them. With MS though when they're released at full price they simply don't sell. So that kinda works into Sony's own argument.
NotMSRP said:
MS3 is a port of an oldish arcade game with no upgrades graphically or otherwise. Outside of the Xbox version being able to update scores to Live. $39.99 is pretty steep for that.. considering the new R & C, or GT4 should be the same price.
Look at MMAC.. it's a compilation of 10 games ported and it's still only $29.
SyNapSe said:
Forget perception. If SNK want's to charge that much, let them. Either people are going to except it, or eventually the game will be slashed in price and SNK will learn their lesson. Pricing is no reason to block a game IMO, especially in the case of MS which has limited appeal. The game is not being made for the masses, so it shouldn't have to be subjected to the kind of reasoning behind pricing casual gamer releases.
seismologist
Banned
MS 4&5 has already been approved so Spong's interview is bogus. They probably meant to say MS3 will only be on Xbox.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
The great serie ended with MS3, sadly. MS4 and 5 are utter recycled trash compared to the first three games.
ge-man said:
Eh. Nintendo seems to be the "loosest" as far as "budget" licensing goes... Blowout was originally given a MSRP of $10, but it only had that price on the PS2 and GC versions... MS wouldn't let Majesco sell a $10 new game...
Again, it just doesn't make any sense. If you can't get the game rele--
Wait, was Metal Slug 3 released for the PS2 in Japan?
DavidDayton said:
MS3 was released in Japan. This is SCEA problem. The other divisions don't seem to have these same issues.
As for my argument--I really don't know. The license thing was a guess based on something that was mentioned before about SNK saying that GC development was too expensive or something like that. I find it hard to believe that there would be a huge amount technical difficulties in porting the game.
We're getting both HSF2 -and- SF3 3rd for $30. So perhaps SCEA does know what they are doing.
To be honest, i've hated SCEA alot in the past, but they seemed to be doing well in getting companies to offer more for less now.
Honestly, Playmore sucks. NeoGeo tech is old as dirt, and as much as I love 2D fighters (nobody that knows me can dispute this) the fact of the matter is Playmore continues to drag SNK's good name through the mud with their crappy games, and worse yet, on hardware that was long outdated. Bash Capcom all you want for their low res sprites, but they at least moved on from CPS2 a long time ago.
I'll never forgive SCEA for axing Shadow Tower Abyss, though. There was no reason to do that.
Mr_Furious
Member
Many games get a tentative approval pending future stipulations. I think in this particular instance price might've been the deciding factor in Sony reversing their approval of MS4&5. Same happened for MS3.seismologist said:
Mr_Furious
Member
Some of these "other" 2D games that still seem to get released either:MoxManiac said:
A) have great replay value at cheaper prices
and/or
B) are being released by companies that have bargaining chips to help leverage their concepts submitted at Sony. This is where SNK has a serious problem.