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So I'm 45 minutes into Citizen Cane for the very first time
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teezzy
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OMG, I know right!
Like Homer's Odyssey is totes overrated you guys.
And wat is even Mozart, dude sounds like a total boomer is not vibing like at all.
Classics are basic af, we 2021 now y'all need to get with the times.
There's not a single ounce of my soul which would rather watch Citizen Kane over some based ass hot tub stream
I stand with OP here
MvCSpiderman
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Id rather watch Mr. Smith. But back then it was easy to payoff hype.
Zangiefy360
Banned
You should reflect on your life to see if you've conditioned yourself to only connect with mediocre things. Have you been watching a lot of Marvel by chance? Do you think The Last Jedi is misunderstood? Do you look at your phone while watching movies and tv shows?
teezzy
Banned
Absolute bullshit and reductive take
Fuck holy grails
OP is right: Terminator 2 and Alien are superior to Citizen Kane in every respect imaginable.
You know a movie sucks when all someone can praise it for is the lighting or some miniscule detail
Fuck film nerds
Ad hominem is uncalled for. People have preferences, it’s no big deal. Orson Welles said we are all philistines and aesthetes.
That said, I’m glad to see people defend the film. And I’m glad to see people at least try to watch the movie. It’s all you can ask really.
Hnjohngalt
Member
It maybe a age issue. I did not start appreciating older films like this till i was almost 40. The reflection aspect on life and meaning usually is more a personal matter. Some folks like OP just want action and adventure less deep movies intellectually. I was the same way when i waa younger.
How is Terminator 2 and Alien superior to Citizen Kane?
teezzy
Banned
Editing, lighting, thematic score, sense of action, sense of suspense, writing, special effects, cinematography techniques, and acting
How are they not?
Speaking personally, it is and it isn’t. I saw Kane when I was 17. I thought all black and white films were hokey but found Kane to be suprisingly modern. It’s interesting that Welles was only 24 when he made this movie.
OTOH I remember really wanting to see “Bad Boys 2” in the theater. I finally started watching it a few years later. Found the first five or so minutes to be absolute cringe. Yes Michael, we know you like to move the camera.
There’s nothing wrong with enjoying something light or mindless. But there are those that crave something deeper that reflects the human experience. Those films tend to push needle forward, if only a bit.
Ok, how is Greenblatt’s work on T2 better better than Robert Wise on Kane?
Is Kane an action movie?
How is Wisher and Cameron’s script better than Mank’s script?
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teezzy
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I'm working, and don't have time to go into further detail and argue over something as subjective as art. Nor do I really care to convince you of anything , it serves me in no way.
When people praise Kane, 90% of the time they refer to the advancement of techniques of the craft or praise Welles' auteurism. Very rarely do they comment on the quality of the movie itself
If you believe the above, it would apply that art is progressing and improving over time as any other craft would.
Have your average viewer watch all three movies and I guarantee you that Kane will be viewed less favorably than the other two
Only knobs who enjoy beating off into their mouth and consider it art would feel otherwise
Also, I find you annoying
Hey, I’m one of those film nerds you want to fuck apparently.
I like T2. It’s a film that looks like it cost 100 million to make. But it clearly does not have the depth of Citizen Kane. I find it curious that someone who went to film school would make such an argument.
In terms of art progressing, who knows? One would hope so.
teezzy
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Terminator 2 plays with the subject of atypical family structures, defying stereotypes, and altering one's own destiny. It's not a drama like Kane, and shouldn't have to be. Still, it touches these themes while managing to enthrall the audience from start to finish with explosive action and memorable characters.
Like I said, I'd prefer not to debate further. I barely post here these days.
Cheers
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
How young are you, OP?
I watched Citizen Kane a couple years ago and I was definitely impressed. But if I was younger, I’d probably not be.
I watched Citizen Kane a couple years ago and I was definitely impressed. But if I was younger, I’d probably not be.
Zangiefy360
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It's OK, you just aren't a movie guy. You need to exercise your movie appreciation skills to get something out of Citizen Kane.
Do you think The Avengers series are better films than Citizen Kane?
Zangiefy360
Banned
People that think netflix quality is the standard because they can browse their phone at the same time deserve scorn when they take shots at culturally and historically important films like Citizen Kane.
Not all opinions are equal, nor should we pretend they are.
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strange headache
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That's like saying the first transatlantic fight is lame because any random fat slob tourist can do it on a low-cost flight nowadays.
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
So it's not for people who speak English? Or Japanese, since "so" happens to have the same meaning and use there as well.
teezzy
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I attended film school, made shorts, music videos, and was a PA/extra on major studio sets. Also had a decent collection of Criterions, and foreign flicks on bluray/DVD for years. I'd consider myself a "movie guy", I just don't agree with your assessment.
This belittling attitude is exactly why I can't stand film geeks. Watching things on a screen isn't a skill or anything to aspire to.
Yeah you can sit through Godard's Week End, and not wanna stick your head into an oven. What an intellectual you must be.
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
His childhood was stunted with the death of his father and his inheritance of a fortune at a young age. The sled was the last toy he had a chance to enjoy. He was raised by a butler or a lawyer or something, with the expectation that he be a good steward to the fortune he inherited so was expected to act as an adult would from an early time. As his life went on, he became more and more harsh and bitter, but always had a longing for the childhood he couldn't have and the toys he had to leave behind. It represents the tenderness and childlike kindness he had to stifle in himself to be the person others expected him to be. It's all the regrets of who he was, what he had to do, and what he couldn't be, what he would have been if he'd been able to be a child and grow into a man with the normal responsibilities of a typical life.
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Hey man, I agree with your opinion. I’m just trying not to rock the boat, trying being the operative word. I would simply say some of us recognize and enjoy these old films. I wish more did, but c’est la vie.
I agree. There are a lot poseurs and general dipshits that just follow cinema fashion. I went to school with them. But from the responses I’ve seen, these are not those people. People just want to celebrate “Citizen Kane.”
Kilau
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Exactly, knowing what a bombshell this movie was at the time and how hard Hearst fought to have it shut down really puts context to the impact it had then and continues to. It's fine if people don't enjoy the film of course but it goes beyond that in it's importance.
Slaylock
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The American Film Institute seemed to like it.
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And that’s totally possible.
Ya i watched it the first time about 5 years ago, I loved it. Not my most favorite movie of all time or anything.
Zangiefy360
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This is so far off the mark that someone in China had to duck.
Porcile
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Aside from the technical advances which are impressive if not down right astounding considering Welles' age, I love the cinematography which is still very modern and stylish. Also, I am huge sucker for any film that attempts to tell a story across the entirety of someone's life, like Once Upon a Time in America, and Kane does this very. It's also very well acted, and it's messaging is still very relevant today. Citizen Kane is a film that lives up to its reputation.
eyesabitdull
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It's a movie. It's meant to subject to your taste and mindset.
And as you're watching in 2021, I wouldn't hold it against you for not enjoying it.
But the fact that you stopped half an hour in, haven't finished it, and already dont like it - well, makes your statement a little unimpressive.
And as you're watching in 2021, I wouldn't hold it against you for not enjoying it.
But the fact that you stopped half an hour in, haven't finished it, and already dont like it - well, makes your statement a little unimpressive.
IntentionalPun
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I preferred Citizen Kane 2 but the overall cinematic universe wasn’t as cohesive as the modern greats like the MCU.
I tried watching that once. I gave up after the monkeys and read the book instead. Definitely liked the book better. Oh well, at least Citizen Kane can't be worse than my least favorite film of all time, "Hugo Sucks!"
West Texas CEO
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Lmao!
PleaseDontBanMe
, did you just make an OP using a singular gif?
That is some savage shit right there. .
PleaseDontBanMe
, did you just make an OP using a singular gif?That is some savage shit right there. .
Spaceman292
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Maybe watch the whole thing instead of fiddling with your phone you ADHD moron.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
What are the implications of this thread for The Last of Us, I wonder. You know, gaming’s “Citizen Kane”.