Done with this thread. Obviously people here aren't open to the idea that players can have many, many different reasons for coming to a game, even if it's a different reason than yours. Yes, AAA games have exploration, or narrative appeal, or audiovisual appeal, etc. Even if on the surface they seem completely different from other games.
So, Polygon 'playing' Doom...
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orthodoxy1095
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Come on. Stop playing semantics.
This is a gameplay preview. Would you take someone seriously who worked for a car magazine if they uploaded a "Driving Preview" that looked like this?
Sword Of Doom
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But people,are being straight up dicks. That's what I have a problem with.
Don't worry, the non-review code has screen ripping to go with that screen tearing. It all balances out in the end.
SlipperyFishes
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No, but now you mention it there are more important things than getting into Gamergate grade ethics arguments over gameplay videos. And that other thread is related to video games and is on THIS VERY FORUM.
is it their job to give an inherently bad impression of a game? they could have just let a demo play and it would have been fair enough.
they could have used stock video of someone else playing. They could have gotten a 10 year old.
lmao...for real? performance art, everybody.
gunslikewhoa
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Nobody is outraged over the video. Zero people. Seriously. It's possible to criticize something without being angry at it, believe it or not.
Nobody here is denying what you just said, but we're discussing the video not the game. What does this video show to a Gone Home fan that a gameplay video from even a marginally skilled player does not?
And I don't believe you either.
Is it common for you, or players you watch, to only move one stick at a time?
An inability to perform the most basic task when manipulating a controller shouldn't seem normal.
orthodoxy1095
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But players who go to a gameplay preview are all coming for the same reason.
What does that even mean? The only one who mentioned ethics here is you, compadre
Gunslinger
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Welcome to the world of fighting game players...as a fighting game fan most of the times our games are reviewed by people who can't even do a shoryuken consistently. I agree with most people in this thread. This kind of badly skilled players shouldn't review games imo. How can you review something if you can't even understand it or even be somewhat competent at it.
Cause reviews are opinions and everyone's entitled to one?
and some are even paid to supply us with terrible, badly informed ones, and we call these people experts.
It's quite something... I didn't bring up any of the topics they are freaking out about.
Zen_Arcade
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No.
Let me explain to you why there is such a vast difference in interest between these two threads. Because calling what you said objective facts is hilarious. Outside of the sheer amount of posts there is nothing objective about what you said and there are very good reasons why that thread doesn't have nearly as many posts as this one.
There haven't been dozens of people in that Fable thread saying that not having black people on the cover of a video game is fine. If there were, you could sure bet that there would be more discussion about it. But there is little to no conflict there, because most, if not all people agree that it's dumb that they don't put black people on the cover of video games. And the few people who think that it makes sense are smart enough to not bring it up, because they know most people are going to compeltely shit on their dumb opinion.
Contrast that with this thread, where for some reason there are plenty of people who are completely fine with not only voicing their opinion that it's fine for video game journalists to be incompetent, but actively make excuses for them, and it shouldn't be hard to connect the dots as to why this thread is getting more attention than the Fable one.
Long story short, there are arguments to be had here because for some reason people like to defend incompetent corporations, whereas there arent nearly as many arguments to be had in the Fable thread because the few people who would argue that black people shouldnt be on the cover of video games shut their mouths and never post out of fear of being either chided or banned. So it just ends up as a short thread full of posts of pretty much everyone agreeing that not putting black people on the cover of media is fucked (As it should be).
orthodoxy1095
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People are entitled to tell you that your opinion is badly informed and poorly thought out as well.
In this case though, we're talking about a gameplay video, in which case we're entitled to say that the person playing it is fundamentally incompetent.
Oh my God. I was wondering when we'd go here.
Give me a break.
Saw the topic, went "that's fucked", then decided I'd rather get punched in the face for an hour than watch another round of internet forum tries to discuses serious issue. At least in this thread about Doom I'm not expecting quality debate.
Gunslinger
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Lol these aren't our grandparents trying to play video games. They are being paid for something they are not even competent at. And yes writing in only half their job other half is to being able to play decently and understand the item they are trying to review.
Sword Of Doom
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If we want to argue about the state of video games so saturated with bullshit COD clone shooters that people no longer know how to play a proper old school style shooter, then I'm all for it. nonsense and speculation about reviews and ganging up on people I'm not cool with
So I guess yeah I seriously made the "there are more important things" argument
These aren't just opinions, they're paid opinions people look up too. In so few other industries do people with so little skill or knowledge get brought in to give "expert" advice on the products in said industry.
Even then this isn't a review, it's a gameplay video.
Its about ethics in being terrible at video games.
styl3s
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I almost spit this diet coke all over my monitor.
I feel like this entire video is just a massive troll by Arthur to get people talking about their site and getting clicks and even if it isn't it doesn't bother me at how bad he is playing.
Not sure why these people are being put on the "expert" pedestal hen they are just getting paid to give their opinions in a somewhat coherently written article.
KatamariOnTheRocks
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Come on. Stop playing semantics.
This is a gameplay preview. Would you take someone seriously who worked for a car magazine if they uploaded a "Driving Preview" that looked like this?
Depends on what you look for in a Driving Preview.
Maybe you only care about what the car looks like and sounds like when it does that and not the fact that it's doing that instead of driving competently. /S
NinjamicWZ
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Why?
This thread keeps delivering .
Riposte
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Come on. Stop playing semantics.
This is a gameplay preview. Would you take someone seriously who worked for a car magazine if they uploaded a "Driving Preview" that looked like this?
Maybe I'm a terrible driver, so I need to hear opinions from crash test dummies.
Anyone can play horribly and make reviews about it, that is not up to debate. The problem is that this is a Polygon video made by a reviewer. That means something, Polygon have a important position in video game journalism, and so these videos should be held at higher standards.
If the same player uploaded the same video but in their personal Youtube channel there would be no discussion.
The car and other media review analogies make sense. New York Times can have a horrible reviewer that can't even read fluently in English, but we are free to question the credibility of said reviewer.
If the same player uploaded the same video but in their personal Youtube channel there would be no discussion.
The car and other media review analogies make sense. New York Times can have a horrible reviewer that can't even read fluently in English, but we are free to question the credibility of said reviewer.
Quadraphonic
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"I got this book to review. Sadly, it's in Croatian and I can't read it. But I tried to pronounce each word, so I got through it. That should count for something, right? I don't need to be a professional reviewer to review this..."
forknknife
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Can't believe this thread is 14 pages of discussion instead of lol comments which is the only thing that video deserves.
neostapler
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it's ok. you just aren't the target audience for this thread.
JasoNsider
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*shrug* I don't know what to tell you. You can believe what you want to believe? I'm a game developer; I see nearly the entire spectrum of expertise on players as part of gameplay development and testing. And yes, it is fairly common. Again, I thought nothing of this video until coming here.
I could get behind this idea if media outlets followed a model so that dozens (or a couple) of diferrent people reviewed the same game, so the audience can get all possible perspectives, be that from the pro to the noob.
That's REALLY not the case though and I didn't see anyone arguing for that model.
BouncyFrag
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Shaka, when the walls fell.
Scientist Supreme!
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I wouldn't go that far but it's obvious how that type of behavior evolved from threads like this.
BruceLeeRoy
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Lo_Fi are you being serious with all this? I feel like your just playing devil's advocate for entertainment here
orthodoxy1095
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Quadraphonic
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I dunno, I think he might be like the person in the video.
He also seems to not understand chopsticks or stick-shifts.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202188313&postcount=779
I think he just really dislikes sticks, even if it's twin sticks.
chaosblade
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If you think that's bad, I should have recorded my Uncharted 2 playthrough. That Doom gameplay doesn't even come close to how poorly I play third person shooters.
Morrigan Stark
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Can hire please me you? I do good grammar sometimes, only but when I feel it like!
WTF??
lol
Yes, people who want to watch Doom gameplay videos will find value in this video because they can see the narrative appeal and exploration!
Are you for real
Thursday War
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not playing like a retard who just picked up a controller for the first time isn't "in-house marketing". it's called being able to properly show off game mechanics THAT THEY THEMSELVES ARE REVIEWING
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