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[Einchy]

Correct. People come to games for the visuals, the audio, exploration, challenge, socializing, mastery, achievement, escapism, immersion, goofy fun, narrative, as a diversion, etc. Some of these things can be previewed in a preview video. No need to put a negative connotation on it.

It's weird that the video is called "DOOM GAMEPLAY" when according to you, gameplay is the least important thing about a video game and there's no way people went to the video for that.

 

[Wink]

Of course there has to be a certain base level of competency to making such videos as part of your business, completely justified to be calling them out for this.
The only job Polygon had with this project was to record Doom gameplay, no writing needed to be done, no voice over, practically no editing, yet they still managed to come off as unsavvy and or lazy.

This video should be called "What the first 30 minutes of Doom might look like for inexperienced FPS players on console." Then nobody would have lost their shit, this way many did.
The promise of the title of 30 minutes of Doom gameplay was not satisfied by seeing someone struggle playing Doom. Polygon made their own bed with this, they're part of the enthusiast press, this is not "some freelancer for Washington Post plays Doom", no, this is Polygon, we are right to expect basic competence in making this video and pressing record is not enough from them.

 

[Lo_Fi]

But, but... the speed and overall frantic feel of the combat is the most important thing in this Doom.

To you.

 

[80s Bad Guy]

It's an embarrassing video for an embarrassing site. It's perfect for polygon.

 

[DieH@rd]

K...but how does someone else playing affect your enjoyment of them?

it does not affects my enjoyment, but I can criticize Polygon for uploading blatantly unprofessional video. It so bad manages to be both both sad and funny, ergo memes.

 

[Ibuki]

I'll take a stab at this. They're good people who do good work and have a good community of commenters on site.

What's your reason for hating?

I don't hate Polygon, I just think this video is hilarious, and it blows my mind that they actually uploaded it.

People are defending them even when they fuck up and it blows my mind.

 

[Syril]

Geez, that gif looks like the first time I tried to play Halo.

 

[Lo_Fi]

I think its ridiculous. It does hurt perception of anyone watching this game and expect it to look anything other than slow, confused, clumsy, and not fun. But that's just the way its being played? If it was deliberate you'd almost say there was an ethical issue, but instead this is just apathetic execution of occupational drudge work. So I guess that makes it technically ok, but from a business sense its still kind of not.

Polygon is not Id or Bethesda's marketing arm. Their job is to give you an impression of the game, not make it look good.

It's weird that the video is called "DOOM GAMEPLAY" when according to you, gameplay is the least important thing about a video game and there's no way people went to the video for that.

I never said gameplay is the least important thing about a video game. I am only saying that there are other facets to games than can be previewed in a preview video.

 

[Quadraphonic]

To you.

And to other users on Steam.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

Time will tell. If their reputation is tarnished by this, then they won't have a fanbase anymore. If they continue to have a fanbase, then you can ask one of them.

Holy correlation does not equal causation, Batman. Of course this single video isn't going to tarnish their reputation and destroy their fanbase. What a ridiculous metric. "Polygon's still in business, guys. I told you people liked that video!"

 

[Ibuki]

Polygon is not Id or Bethesda's marketing arm. Their job is to give you an impression of the game, not make it look good.

It's also not their job to make it look bad by getting someone who can't operate a controller to play it.

 

[Einchy]

Polygon is not Id or Bethesda's marketing arm. Their job is to give you an impression of the game, not make it look good.

I'll copy and paste what I said earlier when someone said the exact same thing.

Why does polygon owe it to ID or Bethesda to make this game look good?

They don't, they owe it to their viewers to properly represent the thing that they are trying to show. Their viewers go to their website to get a realistic representation of what it will feel like to play any game and if the person who is playing cannot do that, they do a disservice to their viewer.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

It reminds me of when I tried to get mom to play Halo 2.

She spun around in place shooting her SMG to make a 'shield of bullets.'

 

[DieH@rd]

Polygon is not Id or Bethesda's marketing arm. Their job is to give you an impression of the game, not make it look good.

So, it would be OK if car reviewer is someone who knows almost nothing about cars and can barely drive and follow road rules?

Nobody expects from gaming media to produce amazing pro-level gaming videos, but at least they should not totally embarrass themselves.

 

[Lo_Fi]

I'll copy and paste what I said earlier when someone said the exact same thing.



They don't, they owe it to their viewers to properly represent the thing that they are trying to show. Their viewers go to their website to get a realistic representation of what it will feel like to play any game and if the person who is playing cannot do that, they do a disservice to their viewer.

And where we disagree is what "properly represent" is. I watched the video and it looked like someone playing Doom just fine to me.

 

[Einchy]

I never said gameplay is the least important thing about a video game. I am only saying that there are other facets to games than can be previewed in a preview video.

"People clicking on gameplay videos don't care about the gameplay. News at 11."

And then you said correct then you listed a million things people care about and gameplay was not one of them.

So, I guess you didn't say it was the least important, you said it wasn't important at all.

 

[rdytoroll]

To you.

And I'd wager a majority of the potential player base. It's a shooter first and foremost, the gameplay is king. In this case it's the fast paced nature of the combat which is not adequately represented in the video. Of course all these other things are important, but arguing that most people don't care about the combat is just arguing for the sake of arguing imo

 

[Hero Prinny]

Polygon is not Id or Bethesda's marketing arm. Their job is to give you an impression of the game, not make it look good.



I never said gameplay is the least important thing about a video game. I am only saying that there are other facets to games than can be previewed in a preview video.

and your impression is worth shit when you don't even know how to control two sticks at the same time.

 

[Quadraphonic]

And where we disagree is what "properly represent" is. I watched the video and it looked like someone playing Doom just fine to me.

This thread wouldn't be at 30 pages if the person playing was able to use both thumbs at the same time.

 

[Lo_Fi]

And to other users on Steam.

There are a lot of other tags there. A viewer could come to the video to see if any of those are represented in the way that they would like, as well.

"People clicking on gameplay videos don't care about the gameplay. News at 11."

And then you said correct then you listed a million things people care about and gameplay was not one of them.

So, I guess you didn't say it was the least important, you said it wasn't important at all.

Nope, just pointing out that other aspects exist. We are all already well aware that gameplay is a part of games, so it doesn't need mentioning.

So, it would be OK if car reviewer is someone who knows almost nothing about cars and can barely drive and follow road rules?

Nobody expects from gaming media to produce amazing pro-level gaming videos, but at least they should not totally embarrass themselves.

It wasn't a review.

 

[Einchy]

And where we disagree is what "properly represent" is. I watched the video and it looked like someone playing Doom just fine to me.

Isn't odd to you that you're the only person who thinks this?

 

[Sibylus]

Poly: "Reviewer A, please step forward."
A: "I can track targets."
Poly: "Excused."

B: "I circle-strafe."
Poly: "Excused."

C: "I stop on a dime."
Poly: "Excused."

D: "I keep my gun on a swivel and my feet constantly in motion."
Poly: "Excused."

E: "I get distracted looking at environmental art in the middle of firefights."
Poly: "Anything else, Reviewer E?"
E: "I have feet for hands."
Poly: "Reviewer E, please raise your right... appendage and repeat the oath for the room."

 

[SirMossyBloke]

Correct. People come to games for the visuals, the audio, exploration, challenge, socializing, mastery, achievement, escapism, immersion, goofy fun, narrative, as a diversion, etc. Some of these things can be previewed in a preview video. No need to put a negative connotation on it.



Time will tell. If their reputation is tarnished by this, then they won't have a fanbase anymore. If they continue to have a fanbase, then you can ask one of them.

Who are these "people" you speak of that don't give a shit about gameplay? lol

 

[Kinyou]

It reminds me of when I tried to get mom to play Halo 2.

She spun around in place shooting her SMG to make a 'shield of bullets.'

That's at least a tactic

 

[Diablohead]

Whoever made that video, and whoever let that pass as a valid upload for their website videos are doing a poor job, you don't need to be an expert but at least show that you care and can play a game well enough, polygon are most likely getting good youtube views from this trash which is why they keep it around instead of swapping it out with normal, everyday gameplay.

There's very little that I take away from videogame websites now days and this just makes me want to ignore them even more so.

 

[KatamariOnTheRocks]

I'm guessing from a business perspective why it makes sense for them to do.

It makes them enough money to continue what they are doing. Putting more effort into it may get them some more viewers, but not enough viewers to justify the cost (or at least, that's the business risk they are placing their low-stakes bets on). People who care enough to get mad at this video are a vocal minority. If that's not the case, then I'm wrong, and Polygon is wrong, and they will lose viewership for it. My guess is that the people who are upset about this either don't care about Polygon in the first place, or it's not enough people for Polygon to care about losing. But I could be wrong.



Are you arguing that the visuals, narrative, and audio have nothing to do with Doom's appeal? Sure, the gameplay is a large part of the appeal, but if I'm looking to see if the new Doom game is good, gameplay is not the ONLY part of the appeal. What if I just want to see if the tone is goofy or self-serious? What if I want to hear the music and hear if it's reminiscent of the original? What if I just want to see how fast the movement speed is, to see if it's similar in that way to the original? None of these rely on someone playing well.

Whats the current going rate for effort these days? I can't even imagine how much effort they would have had to borrow from the bank to have paid for someone else to play that's skilled enough to move both sticks at the same time.

 

[akira28]

the player spent more time aiming at the explosive barrels than he did the enemy demons. I kept expecting him to use some clever splash damage environmental battle strategy, but he just kept scaring demons with warning shots, and then meleeing them to death.

 

[Plum]

There are a lot of other tags there. A viewer could come to the video to see if any of those are represented in the way that they would like, as well.

Nope, just pointing out that other aspects exist.

Other aspects exist, yes, but why go to a specifically labelled gameplay video for it? Like I said in a previous post, if I want graphics I go to DF or NXGamer, if I want story I go to an Errant Signal or maybe even Polygon's actual review.

Hell, here on Gaf there's the OT for general impressions and the console/PC screenshot threads for graphics. If the market wasn't as saturated as it is I'd agree with you.

 

[Lo_Fi]

Who are these "people" you speak of that don't give a shit about gameplay? lol

People who bought this:

http://steamspy.com/app/232430

or any other narrative or visuals focused game.

Other games that are more "mainstream" or AAA tap into these same aspects, just usually to a lesser extent.

Isn't odd to you that you're the only person who thinks this?

In this thread. Which is not representative of the playerbase or the viewer base.

 

[SirMossyBloke]

People who bought this:

http://steamspy.com/app/232430

or any other narrative or visuals focused game.

You're comparing Doom to Gone Home.

You've reached a new low.

Fi.

 

[Ibuki]

People who bought this:

http://steamspy.com/app/232430

or any other narrative or visuals focused game.



In this thread. Which is not representative of the playerbase or the viewer base.

Oh yeah, that huge overlap between the Gone Home and the Doom fanbase... I should have thought of it sooner.

 

[Lo_Fi]

You're comparing Doom to Gone Home.

You've reached a new low.

Fi.

Please explain.

Oh yeah, that huge overlap between the Gone Home and the Doom fanbase... I should have thought of it sooner.

I hate to ruin games for you...but The Last of Us is like, 25% "walking simulator". Just to name one.

Plenty of large games have exploration, visual appeal, or narrative appeal. Not sure what's controversial about that statement.

 

[Quadraphonic]

People who bought this:

http://steamspy.com/app/232430

or any other narrative or visuals focused game.

Other games that are more "mainstream" or AAA tap into these same aspects, just usually to a lesser extent.



In this thread. Which is not representative of the playerbase or the viewer base.

#1 tag - WALKING SIMULATOR.

 

[SirMossyBloke]

Please explain.

I can't explain it. That's how ridiculous it is.

 

[rdytoroll]

People who bought this:

http://steamspy.com/app/232430

or any other narrative or visuals focused game.



In this thread. Which is not representative of the playerbase or the viewer base.

But why would these people go for a FPS, and a Doom at that? This is so confusing, I'm really trying to understand your side here. But this doesn't make any sense

 

[Zen_Arcade]

People who bought this:

http://steamspy.com/app/232430

or any other narrative or visuals focused game.

So...people who like games that are nothing like this and would either be misled into thinking that this game was in a genre they're interested in or would see it and completely be disinterested in what they're seeing, which they would still see if a competent person was behind the controller?

You're only adding to everyone else's argument that having someone who knows what they're doing behind the controller for this video would have been more beneficial for all of the people watching.

 

[Einchy]

In this thread. Which is not representative of the playerbase or the viewer base.

And on youtube.

And on Reddit.

Where exactly are the people who agree with you? Because they don't seem to exist.

Please explain.

You're trying to equate reasons for why someone would watch a gameplay video with Doom and Gone Home.

If you don't see how ridiculous this is, then there really is no point is trying to explain it to you.

 

[Plum]

People who bought this:

http://steamspy.com/app/232430

or any other narrative or visuals focused game.

People who know about Gone Home will know Doom is as far away from it as possible. For the tiny few who don't this video does nothing that watching an official, or more well-made video will not.

 

[ghostjoke]

Please explain.

Gone Home is a narrative driven game.

Doom is a face-paced FPS that openly mocks having a story.

Neither is better or worse than the other, but you cannot approach these two games in the same way.

 

[Ibuki]

I think I understand the point. Polygon was just trying to include all those Gone Home fans and show them you don't have to be able to shoot a gun to enjoy DOOM.

 

[Haunted]

is this who's reviewing the game?

 

[80s Bad Guy]

Dat cacodemon in gone home tho

 

[SlipperyFishes]

I don't hate Polygon, I just think this video is hilarious, and it blows my mind that they actually uploaded it.

People are defending them even when they fuck up and it blows my mind.

This thread - nearly 1.5k replies (80% are fuck polygon lol)

Microsoft thread about not wanting a black person on the cover of Fable 3 - nearly 300 replies.

Priorities are fucked up here

 

[Zen_Arcade]

This thread - nearly 1.5k replies (80% are fuck polygon lol)

Microsoft thread about not wanting a black person on the cover of Fable 3 - nearly 300 replies.

Priorities are fucked up here

Man, you really like misrepresenting things dont you?

 

[SlipperyFishes]

Man, you really like misrepresenting things dont you?

Objective facts?

 

[Sword Of Doom]

I don't hate Polygon, I just think this video is hilarious, and it blows my mind that they actually uploaded it.

People are defending them even when they fuck up and it blows my mind.

Honestly it's just a guy who is painfully bad at Doom. I don't understand why people have to be such a dick about it. Of all the problems in this world this is what people are outraged over?

I couldn't even watch the video cause it's painfully bad but ffs

 

[captjohnboyd]

this whole thing makes me so sad cause I've just been turned on to Monster Factory and My Brother My Brother and Me and they're so god damn funny.

 

[Ibuki]

This thread - nearly 1.5k replies (80% are fuck polygon lol)

Microsoft thread about not wanting a black person on the cover of Fable 3 - nearly 300 replies.

Priorities are fucked up here

Did you quote the wrong person?

Honestly it's just a guy who is painfully bad at Doom. I don't understand why people have to be such a dick about it. Of all the problems in this world this is what people are outraged over?

I couldn't even watch the video cause it's painfully bad but ffs

Are you seriously doing the 'there are more important things' argument on a forum dedicated to video games?

 

[Robaperas]

Huh, it wasn't that bad, I'm worse than this person with a gamepad; I remember giving up on Black for PS2 for that reason.

I'm totally outraged by the screen tearing though.

 

[SirMossyBloke]

Honestly it's just a guy who is painfully bad at Doom. I don't understand why people have to be such a dick about it. Of all the problems in this world this is what people are outraged over?

I couldn't even watch the video cause it's painfully bad but ffs

Not sure where you see outrage.

I also don't think anyone is ignoring all the other problems in the world simply to reply in this thread.