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[Dram]

Crazy shit episode this week. Really though if your going to talk shit don't start to cry when people talk shit back.

 

[Dram]

Ah come on. No one saw this?

 

[dolph]

It's a good show. They sure opened themselves up for trouble by not kicking that guy off. These guys are tough sum-a-bitches, get some more liquor in them and who knows what they will do.
I can't wait until next week, the fight is going to be sweet!

 

[dskillzhtown]

It was a great show last night. A great write-up is on wrestlingobserver.com about it. The fight next week is going to be awesome. What a build up for a training fight. Better than what WWE has been putting out recently. And to think I wasn't going to even watch this show because I thought it was 'just another reality show'.

 

[SolidSnakex]

The fight where the guy had to lose all the weight and then fight the next day was great.

 

[dskillzhtown]

The one thing I noticed is that most of the guys who get the camera time are total assholes. I guess they make for better TV or something.

 

[Minotauro]

I'm glad to hear people are actually watching it. You would think there'd be a pretty decent crossover appeal from the RAW audience...

Either way, I really, really like it so far. I'm not exactly a huge fan of reality television but it's by far my favorite show of that type. The rivalries and grudges that are developing are really quite compelling. I don't think they could've written it better. Then again, I guess that's what you get when force a bunch of fighters to live together in a house without any outside influence though.

EDIT: Oh, and hopefully, Leben stomps Koscheck next week. That was some real bullshit that him and Bobby Southworth pulled. Too bad Nathan Quarry is injured...they coulda killed two birds with one stone by having him fight Bobby.

 

[PlayStation Tree]

I was wondering when this thread would start up.

This last week wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be. Chris is such a shit talker, and then when it comes to it he doesn't even have the balls to smoke Bobby in the face. I mean I know he's in a higher wieght class, but come on, after filling his sleepingbag with water Chris had more than enough reason to flip. He really looked scared of Bobby.

And Chis' explanaition afterward that he was thinking about his goal to be in the UFC and thats why he didn't try to fight those guys is BS; he was way too drunk to make that kind of rational choice.

 

[Boogie]

Of course I'm watching it.

I'm not quite sure what to make of last night's episode though. I mean, Leben has been the one aggravating people, and no one has exploded on him, so there is an element of "Don't dish it out if you can't take it" there.

Ah well, whatever. It'll all be settled by next week, and I'll be rooting for Josh.

I think they need to show more interview time from Forrest. He rocks.

 

[SolidSnakex]

EDIT: Oh, and hopefully, Leben stomps Koscheck next week. That was some real bullshit that him and Bobby Southworth pulled. Too bad Nathan Quarry is injured...they coulda killed two birds with one stone by having him fight Bobby.

C'mon, Chris is no better than any of them. This is the same guy that pissed in a guys bed and now he can't take people coming at him? Please he just showed exactly who he is. He can dish it but the second someone comes at him he turns into a little baby. He thought he had everyone scared of him and now he sees that they aren't.

 

[Biff Hardbody]

I saw it for the first time today. The latest episode. Seems a little hoomersexual with the male on male shaving. Seriously though, I like it, but won't go out of my way to tune in or anything. I don't dig the real world vibe the show has, or the stupid antics the guys do. Some things that struck out at me-

-Really surprised Randy Couture wasn't more aware. I think he's at fault for that Nate guys injury. He had 6 guys in a small area sparring, and he shoots right into one of his kids and takes out Nate. You can say Nate should have been aware, but so should have Randy at this point. Since he's the coach, and known for his meticulous training methods, I found it surprising. That guy could be fucked up bad, torn ligaments you know.

-Leben cried and seemed weak because of it. Yes, it was a fucked up comment. But, he's been pulling all sorts of shit like pissing on someones bed (what the fuck, seriously. He deserves a beatdown just for that). Someone makes a crack about his personal life and he starts bawling? Real tough. I'm not saying Southworth and the blonde albino are right, I don't like either of them. But come on, Leben seems lik the classic school yard bully.

-That being said, I just don't like Josh. I hope he gets pounded by Leben.

 

[dem]

I watched the first few eps of this and nothing much was happening. Sounds like its turned around a bit.

Does this show get repeated through the week? Oh wait.. its spike.. ofcourse its repeated.

 

[Minotauro]

C'mon, Chris is no better than any of them. This is the same guy that pissed in a guys bed and now he can't take people coming at him? Please he just showed exactly who he is. He can dish it but the second someone comes at him he turns into a little baby. He thought he had everyone scared of him and now he sees that they aren't.

Actually, after the first few episodes, I too thought Chris was an asshole and was rooting against him. After seeing Josh avoid his challenge last week, I kinda admire his confidence.

I will agree that Chris needs to learn how to take shit better and that he probably overreacted to Bobby's comment. Still, last night, I think Bobby and Josh went too far. There had already been an altercation and Chris went out of his way to sleep in the front yard to avoid any further problems. Under any other circumstances, I would probably agree that Chris went over the line with his reaction but I think, after everything last night, it was completed warranted. Bobby is lucky that Chris didn't put his fist through his face.

 

[Minotauro]

-Really surprised Randy Couture wasn't more aware. I think he's at fault for that Nate guys injury. He had 6 guys in a small area sparring, and he shoots right into one of his kids and takes out Nate. You can say Nate should have been aware, but so should have Randy at this point. Since he's the coach, and known for his meticulous training methods, I found it surprising. That guy could be fucked up bad, torn ligaments you know.

Yeah, I was surprised at this as well. Couture was almost 100% responsible for the injury and he didn't even really apologize or anything. Then again, that could really be the result of the show's editing.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I think Josh is definetly a pansy, he seemed to run off after the spraying incident too. Bobby walked right behind Chris the whole time, which if anything shows that while he's an ass he's not afraid to back his attitude up. That's the main reason I think Chris didn't want anything to do with him, he would've got tagged pretty hard.

This fight should be interesting. We'll see if Chris is all talk since he's really done nothing to back anything up so far. And with Josh we'll get to see just how good he is since I haven't really seen anything impressive from him. He won't have Bobby to hide behind.

 

[Biff Hardbody]

Yeah, I was surprised at this as well. Couture was almost 100% responsible for the injury and he didn't even really apologize or anything. Then again, that could really be the result of the show's editing.

I don't think he would apologize as a coach, because he wants to keep that mystique about him. However, I wish we could have seen his reaction when he was away from the guys. Because aside from checking out Nate's ankle like any coach would do, he didn't really seem to have much of a reaction to it. It was fucked up too, when you saw the EMT ask Nate if he wanted an X-Ray and Nate looked at Couture for approval on what to do. It's clear his approval means allot to him, and for Randy to be so careless with him is dissapointing. I wonder if Randy blamed himself, or if he shrugged it off as "these things happen".

 

[dskillzhtown]

Here is the replay information:

Friday at midnight, Saturday at 7 p.m. or Sunday at 5 p.m. All times Eastern.

 

[dem]

You could tell Chris was going to lose last night because they were talking him up so much.

The guy didnt do anything in the octagon except get sit on.
And then he cried again :lol


Gotta wonder where the show is going from here. While annoying as fuck, Chris really was the show.


I was real pumped for that fight. Excellent idea for a reality show.
Too bad the fight was terrible. No one landed shit.

 

[Boogie]

Yeah, that fight was a big letdown.

Chris didn't do squat. For someone who supposedly likes to throw down, he didn't actually put any effort into trying to hit Josh. I think he only connected with Josh twice while standing, once was a knee, and one punch.

But Josh wasn't that impressive either. It was really a textbook boring lay 'n pray. Hopefully it's just because of his lack of experience, and as he continues to improve he'll become more aggressive after he takes someone down.

 

[Biff Hardbody]

I agree with the man called Boogie.

edit: Chris was way to tentative. Josh didn't even keep his chin down. had Chris gone off more, he could have knocked Josh down and maybe out. Worse case scenario is he still loses the way he did, but he would have had a better chance of winning.

 

[PlayStation Tree]

And then he cried again :lol

Seriously, what a pussy.

I mean, first of all, Chris, you're a grown man.

Secondly, you're supposed to be a tough grown man, and while I don't think that tough guys should never cry, they definitely shouldn't cry when they just don't get what they want. When you fall off the horse, you get right back on; you don't pout in front of the whole world on camera.

And thirdly, you're a professional fighter. Losing is part of the career you chose. If you can't accept that you win some, you lose some, then you're an idiot who should go back to working at McDonalds and getting into fights at the bar for no reason on the weekends..

Get some fucking talent you fucking loser.


Grrrrrrr...


That being said, I am looking forward to what Forrest will do next week. For some reason I think that guys gonna be tough.

 

[Biff Hardbody]

I like Forrest too. Unassuming, nice.

 

[Boogie]

I like Forrest too. Unassuming, nice.

Forrest rocks. The show's made me a big Forrest fan.

 

[Minotauro]

I really hope that fight didn't kill what momentum the UFC has built throughout the series. A lot of people tuned in after RAW due to all the promotion and that fight really could turn some potential fans off. Fucking Koscheck.

 

[PlayStation Tree]

So its a good thing Bobby believes in Karma, eh?

I love the way they started off the show by having Bobby talking shit about Chris' departure last week, and then he pulls the exact same shit when he loses! I don't know what fight Bobby was in, but he didn't win that fight by any stretch of the imagination.

And major props to Bonnar for being the first tough motherfucker on the show. The way he chose Bobby cause he thought he was the toughest was cool, definitely changed the momentum for his team I think. No fear what so ever, just went out there and did his job.

First good fight of the series.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Bobby was completely robbed. Like he said whenever Bonnar got him down all he'd do was try to lay on him, Bobby was still damaging him and reversing his holds. When Bobby got him down he caused a great deal of damage to Bonnar. The only thing Bonnar really did better than Bobby was be more aggressive, but that shouldn't win you a fight when the other guy causes alot more damage to you. It even seemed like Couture expected it to go to Bobby along with the UFC pres (I think thats his position).

 

[Biff Hardbody]

I actually thought Bobby won, or at least deserved a third round. I know Bonnar was more aggressive, but Southworth counterpunched him with visible effect. At one point he seemed to rock Bonnar. Southworth hits seemed cleaner and more damaging overall. He just fought the fight moving backwards, so that doesn't sit well with judges.

Bonnar scored the takedowns, but Southworth reversed him and again, and may have done more damage on the ground. Of course, the fight is scored with aggression in mind so I understand the reasoning for giving it to Bonnar. But, I thought Southworth landed cleaner and harder punches overall.

Anyhow, Bonnar is cool and Bobby seems like a jerk. Congrats to Bonnar.

I think they are brining Leben back. Pretty sure they are after seeing something.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I think they are brining Leben back. Pretty sure they are after seeing something.

If that happens I guess Bobbys mistake after losing was complaining instead of crying.

 

[Minotauro]

I think the fight really needed to go to the third round but I think if you had to give it to someone, it should be Bonnar. He dictated the pace, landed more shots (even though Bobby landed better shots), and had more takedowns. He didn't do much on the ground but Bobby really didn't either. Bobby did nearly have a triangle at one point which would probably figure in greater if they were fighting under Pride rules but I think under the 10-point must system, Stephan edged him out.

Otherwise, Liddell's team is obviously being positioned as the heels. After seeing Josh Rafferty's poutiness about having to switch teams and how they've made Sam an outcast, I'm really hoping this week was the start of a big comeback for team Couture.

As far as who's coming back next week, while I wouldn't be surprised to see Leben regardless of how bullshit it would be. Jason Thacker is also a possible candidate. He's the only one who wasn't eliminated from a fight. What I would imagine happens is that Nathan Quarry will end up being too hurt to contine (which really, really sucks) and they have to find a replacement.

Also, I really, really wanna see Forrest fight soon. He really seems to be itching to do some damage.

 

[Boogie]

Hey Minotauro, have I mentioned how much your new avatar rocks?

 

[Minotauro]

Hey Minotauro, have I mentioned how much your new avatar rocks?

Well, you have now I guess.

I'm not 100% satisfied with it though. I had to cut out the punches that followed after Alex had dropped to the ground in a heap. Freaking size limit!

Either way, thanks!

 

[dskillzhtown]

I'll have to watch the replay Sunday of this show. I totally forgot about it honestly. I hated Bobby, glad to see him gone.

 

[Claus]

Wow,

Spoiler

Diego fucked Josh up. Fight barely lasted a minute.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I don't get why in the world anyone in Diego's class would pick him. He's clearly out of everyones league. The only reason you should fight him is if you're the last one there and you have to. This Josh guy could've had it pretty easy if he'd just picked his friend who's closer to his level. The other Josh would've even been a good choice as all he does is try to lay on you. Diego actually does damage to you, and not slowly, he beats the hell out of you.

 

[Claus]

I don't get why in the world anyone in Diego's class would pick him. He's clearly out of everyones league. The only reason you should fight him is if you're the last one there and you have to. This Josh guy could've had it pretty easy if he'd just picked his friend who's closer to his level. The other Josh would've even been a good choice as all he does is try to lay on you. Diego actually does damage to you, and not slowly, he beats the hell out of you.

Best part was seeing the girls in the background. Their jaws just dropped when Deigo started to throw those punches. :lol

 

[SolidSnakex]

I'll have to watch for that when it comes on again. I knew Diego would win, but I atleast expected Josh to hit him once or twice. He never landed a single attack. All that practicing he did of dodging his trainers takedown attacks, and he didn't manage to dodge any of Diego's.

 

[Bishman]

Holy shit, the Alex vs Forest fight was awesome! Too bad it ended up on the ground, they were real good aggressive fighters. Props to Alex for kneeing Forest in the face, leaving him with a cut above his eye.

 

[Boogie]

Holy shit, the Alex vs Forest fight was awesome! Too bad it ended up on the ground, they were real good aggressive fighters. Props to Alex for kneeing Forest in the face, leaving him with a cut above his eye.

Yeah, short but sweet. Those guys threw down, unlike how tentative some of the fighters have been.

And hey, don't knock the ground game! It can be exciting in its own right

I'm only worried that the cut will force Forrest out of the competition. :-/

 

[NLB2]

Too bad it ended up on the ground, they were real good aggressive fighters.

Oh yeah, the ground sucks .

http://s3.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=09EJR0SAK8JD51GVXDUPEHFMMY

 

[Minotauro]

I'm really going to miss this show once the season is over.

Here's hoping they get a high enough rating on the final show to convince the Spike people to put on a weekly show of fights... <fingers crossed>

 

[EAJAPAN]

Damn, I was super impressed with Kenny's defense in the latest episode. He hung in there during that first round.

Sanchez/Koscheck is gonna be the best fight yet I reckon. Also I reckon Forrest is out. He has to be. That cut is nasty. Lucky it didn't bleed when it happened. I'd feel more sorry for Leben but he was too cautious versus Josh, and too aggressive vs Kenny. Initially during the fight I was wondering why Kenny wasn't even attempting a takedown, but with that defense he didn't even need to.

 

[DarienA]

Finally watched the show... pretty good... though the guy Alex(?) lost he put up a helluva fight... he definitely seemed to deservedly earn some respect in there.

 

[Minotauro]

I've been really unimpressed with Leben so far. First, he was absolutely controlled by Josh. Then, he failed to finish a guy from a lower weight class. The cut was a bad break for him but he didn't really look as dominating on his feet as he should. Kenny is hardly a striker and I really think the shots he hit were more solid than Chris's.

Either way, Diego will probably maul Josh next week. It's really a conflict for me since I despise both of them. I was hoping someone would stop Diego but it really doesn't look like it's going to happen.

 

[Boogie]

Damn, I was super impressed with Kenny's defense in the latest episode. He hung in there during that first round.

Sanchez/Koscheck is gonna be the best fight yet I reckon. Also I reckon Forrest is out. He has to be. That cut is nasty. Lucky it didn't bleed when it happened. I'd feel more sorry for Leben but he was too cautious versus Josh, and too aggressive vs Kenny. Initially during the fight I was wondering why Kenny wasn't even attempting a takedown, but with that defense he didn't even need to.

The Homer Simpson effect isn't really something to be "impressed" by. His "defence" really consisted of just being tough enough to take what Leben threw at him.

Props to Florian for being tough enough to persevere, but it was still a flukey win.

And yeah, Leben hasn't looked too impressive, altogether. I mean, that's a HUGE size advantage he had, and he couldn't put Kenny away.

I'm kinda disappointed that the UFC wasn't able to get a full roster of genuine middle- and light-heavyweights, because seeing some of the smaller guys get destroyed hasn't really been that fun to watch.

*prays that Forrest's cut heals enough to let him fight*

 

[SyNapSe]

I thought Lebin mauled Kenny in the first round, but Kenny did a good job of not taking too much severe damage. The 2nd round Kenny caught Legin advancing a couple of times and hit him with a good shot. Then the Flukey elbow that ended the fight

Disappointed to see Bobby Southworth come back because he is an ass, although I thought it was a tough decision in his fight vs Stephan. I thought it was very close.

 

[Biff Hardbody]

I enjoyed the Leben/Florien fight, but I agree with the general sentiments listed here. Leben seems to lack power in his strikes, with all he landed he couldn't drop Florien. Lots of arm punching. Has anyone seen other fights of his? I thought he was supposed to be a strong hitter.

I have to say, the foot stomps were cool and sounded like they hurt. He was dominating Kenny, but left his face wide open and got hit with a elbow that just ripped his eyebrow open. Good stoppage, bad break for Leben. Honestly though, Leben has been more entertaining to watch out of the ring then in it. I look foward to his next hissy fit with anticipation.

I think Diego will catch Josh pretty early on. Minotaruo, I'm with you. I don't like either of em. Josh is self explanatory, but there's something about Diego I just don't like. I think he's the best middleweight though, he's a class above the other guys.

Forrest seems like the best lightheavy and the coolest guy all around there. Cut will probably stop him, but it would be nice if it didn't and he went on to win.

 

[EviLore]

Just watched ep 10...


Yeah, leben won the first round pretty handily, and unless he gassed in the second or third round he probably would've taken it if not for the cut. I don't really like elbows to the face, and this is a good example, but chris let it happen and lost legitimately.

Kenny seems to be a good BJJer from the footage I've seen (and landed some occasional very clean strikes in this fight), but can't shoot very well. His shoot feints were slow and didn't do a whole lot to phase his opponent, and he chose to run into clinches when leben went forward with knees and kicks instead of capitalizing and going into his real element. Chris obviously isn't an idiot and can sprawl when someone shoots from neutral positions, so maybe kenny's brain got rattled and he thought he was royce in ufc 1.

So yeah, he's a little green under MMA rules, but he obviously has ability and can take more than a few hits. I'm just hoping forrest can make it...

 

[Asbel]

Actually, Ken Flo talks about his strategy for that fight on his site. He comes off very respectful. I'd definitely like to see him in UFC, though more at his natural weight.

http://kennyflorian.com/

It's kinda buried so here:

Kenny’s thoughts on the fight

Going into this fight, I knew it would be difficult for Chris to knock me out. My chin has been tested before and I knew that if I would be able to contain the storm a bit, I could get him tired and work for a takedown midway in the 2nd round or early in the 3rd round. I had a badly sprained wrist and a deep bone bruise on my knee so I would have to use my strikes wisely. Chris came out guns blazing so I did not want to match his intensity just yet.

He was strong early and ready to avoid takedowns. Being much lighter and Chris having an advantage in strength, I would have to wait for right opportunity to take him down. Too often grapplers try immediately and too hard to get the takedown. They get tired wasting energy on the takedown and then lose from being gassed. Chris has used this against some good grapplers earning him the win. I was going to let HIM gas and then turn it on in the end. I knew if I had 2 minutes on the ground with me on top of Leben, I could work my way to a position to submit him. Me jumping guard was an option, but I knew that Chris would be conservative there and would just try to grind out a win by not moving too much. My clinching was terrible partly from training too much with boxing gloves. I started to wrap the head up as I would with big gloves on instead of working for the underhooks. This was very uncharacteristic of me and the training practice of tying up this way turned it into a bad habit during the fight.

Exchanging on the feet with him was risky but I was confident I could take his shots, get some of mine in and work for a takedown when he got too overzealous. Elbows are weapons I have always wanted to use in a fight but never had the rules before to do them. I threw them early in the 1st but it was not until midway through the 2nd round when it actually landed. It was a short elbow and it opened up a large gash over Chris' eye. I was excited after the cut because I knew Chris would be badly handicapped not being able to see out of one eye. This would have opened up more strikes and takedowns for me that would have been extremely difficult for Chris to see. All of this was to no avail. The Doctor claimed it was too close to the artery and it was too deep and too dangerous.

I learned a tremendous amount from this fight. Chris is a great competitor and he brought everything to knock me out. While I thought I proved to everybody that I have a lot of heart and will, this was not a great performance. In MMA, there are so many skills to learn and master. This was my 5th fight and I moved up at least one weight class. I have a lot to learn and have been working hard on all of my skills and strength everyday. I am excited to fight again in the octagon and I hope to gain many more fans with my performance on April 9th in Las Vegas.

 

[Asbel]

I found a vid of Leben vs Swick pre-TUF.

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2U8SUR5IIANTT3506ES1ZQMS19

Spoiler

Now either Swick has a glass jaw or Flo is a welterweight version of Nog.

 

[Minotauro]

I found a vid of Leben vs Swick pre-TUF.

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2U8SUR5IIANTT3506ES1ZQMS19

Spoiler

Now either Swick has a glass jaw or Flo is a welterweight version of Nog.

Spoiler

I'm leaning towards the former.

I caught that fight on HDNet the other day. It was a part of a best of show for the WEC before they aired the new show. Definitely worth checking out for people interested in MMA.

Or, if anyone wants to trade tapes/DVDs, I capped both the WEC shows. Shoot me a pm if you're interested...