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captainraincoat
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How will cancel culture work then in the future if your allowed to make mistakes?
Oakland Unified among Calif. school districts phasing out D, F grades for high school students
The move is potentially a step toward "mastery-based learning" in which students are assessed by what they've learned, not how well they perform on tests on a given day or whether they turn in their homework on time.abc7news.com
What do you think GAF? In their eyes this will shift the focus from one-time test metrics to "competency learning" by allowing students to make mistakes but learn and grow from them.
Opponents are saying that it will make lazy school kids even lazier since the new lowest grade is still a C.
Decontamination Silo
Banned
Why stop there? Hand out diplomas along with the birth certificate.
The Pleasure
Member
Too easy. Put a diploma in a claw game.
celsowmbr
Banned
They did something similar here in Brazil, decades ago by Left-wing govs. Want to know the results?
en.m.wikipedia.org
Programme for International Student Assessment - Wikipedia
The US spends on average $42,000 per student per year. In South Korea they spend $14,000 per student. One can only imagine how abysmally their students fare.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I agree. The younger the kid, the more parents need to be involved. Although I got to admit that at high school fucking age, you cant expect parents to babysit teenagers to do essays and study for math exams. Its not like the average parent has the skills to even help out doing complex equations and writing 10 page case studies. So its more about hoofing their kid's asses off the couch to go do it, while any parent can help with homework for an 8 year old.
Then again, maybe it is the parents job to put on a steel toe boot and kick their asses into gear (figuratively not in reality) and get those slackers off their ass, off their cell phones and go get a PT job or play street hockey if they got that much time on their hands. I played street hockey all throughout high school with buddies.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Agreed. Canada too.
When I hear the dumb shit my nephews and nieces do at school now, no wonder half of them are retards. I'd say the math parts are the worst. I'm not saying learning a lot of the math in school is really useful anyway (99.99% of people will never use quadratic equations or need to know how many joules of energy are burned in chem class), but even for basic fundamentals, it's like either the students are morons to begin with or the school board are lazy fucks purposely wanting to dumb it down so they can do easier teachings. Maybe it's both?
Some of shit they'd do in grade 6, we did in grade 4. That kind of trend. It's like every grade got dumber when you'd think it should be the other way around as kids are smart enough to pick up tech skills growing up with it and you can churn out a lot more shit by PC (assignments and googling info if desperate) then the old way of writing everything out with a pen/pencil or using a typewriter to do essays with that god awful white out correction cartridge (which I did till we got a shitty printer for our PC in like 1992 using an early version of Word Perfect). A lot of time wasted and sore wrists writing shit like that manually.
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nush
Gold Member
You could give all the underachievers "A" grades and they'll still amount to shit because if they can't pass an interview and many people don't regardless of grades then it's pointless. This is only for the school to get funding for being so good at turning out high grade students and nothing more.
I've interviewed and hired enough people for entry/mid level jobs and quite honestly I ignore whatever grades they have. I hired on personality and attitude and thus far have never made a bad hire. I've seen more than enough applicants that wave their educational paper at me thinking they are entitled to the job because "They are the best".
I've interviewed and hired enough people for entry/mid level jobs and quite honestly I ignore whatever grades they have. I hired on personality and attitude and thus far have never made a bad hire. I've seen more than enough applicants that wave their educational paper at me thinking they are entitled to the job because "They are the best".
Porcile
Member
I liked it in Japan would some kid who never came to school would turn up after 3 years and "graduate" with the rest of kids like they had been there the entire time.
Or even better when the kid didn't come to school, and wouldn't come to the graduation ceremony for whatever reason, but they still had to technically graduate for the sake of their records, so the kid would come to school on their own and literally get a private ceremony with all the teachers complete with speeches and singing LMAO. So if there three or four kids we would have to do the whole thing again every time for each kid.
Or even better when the kid didn't come to school, and wouldn't come to the graduation ceremony for whatever reason, but they still had to technically graduate for the sake of their records, so the kid would come to school on their own and literally get a private ceremony with all the teachers complete with speeches and singing LMAO. So if there three or four kids we would have to do the whole thing again every time for each kid.
Ionian
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Academic grading in the Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia
| Grade | Percentage Range | Points at Higher Level | Points at Ordinary Level |
|---|---|---|---|
| H1/O1 | 90% - 100% | 100 | 56 |
| H2/O2 | 80% - 89.9% | 88 | 46 |
| H3/O3 | 70% - 79.9% | 77 | 37 |
| H4/O4 | 60% - 69.9% | 66 | 28 |
| H5/O5 | 50% - 59.9% | 56 | 20 |
| H6/O6 | 40% - 49.9% | 46 | 12 |
| H7/O7 | 30% - 39.9% | 33 | 0 |
| H8/O8 | 0% - 29.9% | 0 | 0 |
Flash Junkins
Member
I feel sorry for any workforce featuring this guy or this generation of kids.
People fail. It's life. You weren't good enough, and that's okay.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I was a good student and went to college. My opinion on this has nothing to do with my own experience in school.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I think this is detrimental since it moves students to advanced classes that they are not ready to take due to the lack of a solid foundation.
When my little brother was a kid in primary, he did poorly in many courses and the school gave us the option for him to be held back and explained to us that children who didn't learn fundamentals just struggle more in later year as the lack of a solid basis of understanding just compounds over the years. My brother is now in college and I am very happy my parents opted for him to repeat the grade.
People who did not excel in high school still have a path to prestigious degrees by going through city college and picking up strong studying habits. If you never develop strong study habits at some point, college might not be for you, which is fine since there are still tons of professions to practice that do not require a degree, including software engineering.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
The whole "everyone gets a minimum C" mark doesnt even make sense since high school is where electives come in. And being qualified to do the grade 10 course requires you passing the grade 9 one. Grade 12 chem requires passing grade 11 chem etc....
So if someone doesn't show up to class and should really get an F historically, he now still passes with a C and qualifies for the next grade version of the subject even though the guy wont know anything in last years course?
Gimme a break.
This school district probably (assumption here) has kids flunking out left and right and need a way to artificially pass them so they move on. ANd its there way of boosting overall scores where suddenly the avg mark of each student goes from 64% to 76% because the worst mark you can now get is a mid range C.
Hey look! Our students now have the highest test scores in the country!
Mathematically, why would a student who got a 65% getting a legit C mark, also has a student getting a 40% and getting the same C? Going by this, someone not showing up getting 0% gets a C too?
LOL. Maybe I'm unlucky, but I never got bell curved in high school. I did well as a whole, but I had a couple 50s trending to a D. I dropped them and right away did another course to make up for it next semester playing catch up using up a spare. But under this rule, if I hung around all year, that D would become a C? lol
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Yoda
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We already spend $12,000/year per student: https://educationdata.org/public-ed...hools spend,pupil from the federal government.
In some cases its way above that (see the link). It's the fifth highest amongst similarly developed nations and our total spending only falls short because college is largely privatized by being fully privatized or the loans being handled by public-private corporations and we don't do pre-k (massive miss on our part). Throwing more money at the problem w/o reforming the dismal state of teacher unions and the never ending glut of school bureaucracy is destined to fail.
Note: I don't disagree w/you that our (U.S.) schooling system is fucked.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
This is a lot different than those awful equity-based school policies being put into place that have no benefit whatsoever.
Some people just suck at taking tests. I was one of them. I don’t know what it was. I knew the material inside and out. I’d always raise my hand in class everyday to answer various questions. My homework was always fully correct. But when I sat down to take a test, I’d get a ton of anxiety and my brain would go blank. And also the pressure of having to complete a test in the limited window if the test was long was stressful as hell, as some people are slower thinkers.
I do think there is something to differentiate knowing the material from proving it on tests. Though there are some people who don’t know it and fail tests too obviously.
Some people just suck at taking tests. I was one of them. I don’t know what it was. I knew the material inside and out. I’d always raise my hand in class everyday to answer various questions. My homework was always fully correct. But when I sat down to take a test, I’d get a ton of anxiety and my brain would go blank. And also the pressure of having to complete a test in the limited window if the test was long was stressful as hell, as some people are slower thinkers.
I do think there is something to differentiate knowing the material from proving it on tests. Though there are some people who don’t know it and fail tests too obviously.
Javthusiast
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I get what youre saying.
But in terms of measuring things (completing a test in a 2 hour window), there's got to be some standard a school or work has to work with because they got 100s or 1000s of people to rank. You cant have everyone doing it their own way in different time periods and expect the evaluators to somehow massage all the different replies into one common evaluation.
If the kid doing the test in 2 hours gets a 70% and the other guy gets 4 hours and gets a 75%, going by the numbers the second student did better. Is that really fair? If that's the case, give all the other kids 4 hours too.
If someone is slow with a pencil and eraser, does everyone do it the old fashioned way but that guy gets to do his answers on a PC using Excel because he says his wrists cramp too much writing it out by hand?
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I'm not really talking about these changes specifically, just the idea in the article that states how kids perform on tests isn't necessarily indicative of how much they know the material.
But there definitely do need to be standards.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I agree.
There's book smarts, street smarts, and best of all the person in life who can combo things together no matter what he gets hit with. Everyone knows people of each type and I think most people have an idea what kind of person they were in school. And then there's the night before crammers and the people who studied and did case studies for a week straight. Those are academic traits too.
Also, I'd say it depends on the subject matter. If there's a kid that cant answer questions and bombs every test in calculus, I highly doubt if you talked to him about it at lunch he's suddenly a mastermind doing calc on the fly while eating a ham sandwich. If someone cant do it, they cant do it. And this Oakland district seems like that guy who'd get an F in calc would end up with a C on his report card.
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bigedole
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In your opinion, around when did the American school system start to fail its students? You only have to go back a few decades to reach a time when our kids were near the top in pretty much every metric of learning globally.
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