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Jill Sandwich

the turds of Optimus Prime
Searched and found nothing, but this probably goes for X-Factor, American Idol et al. SYCO is taking down links to this story. So, enjoy.

TLDR: The winners are already chosen before it even begins/12 year olds are sexed and coked up.

BRITAIN'S GOT TALENT and the RONAN PARKE CONNECTION

For reasons which will become obvious, I can't reveal my full identity. But let me just say that, I am an executive with Sony
Music UK with many years experience in music mangement. My work involves close liasion with Simon Cowell's SYCO
company (specifically SYCO Music and SYCO TV) and, as a result, I have seen what goes on from the inside and this has
left me increasingly uncomfortable about the integrity of Britain's Got Talent and particularly the workings of SYCO.
It's long been known that there is a quite a degree of "fixing" in BGT. ( Daily Mail http://bit.ly/fxkWne ) But press reports on
"fixing" are only the tip pf the iceberg when it comes to SYCO's manipulation of, not only the show and the contestants, but
also the viewing public and hopefully, in this email, I can shine some light on the smoke and mirrors trickery of SYCO.
Take BGT 2011 for example. Scouts working for SYCO first saw Ronan Parke (the 12 year old singer) some two years ago
when he was just 10 and was singing at a birthday party for former Norwich City goal-keeper, Bryan Gunn. Following that,
Ronan was privately auditioned by SYCO scouts on two more occasions and, as is usual practice on BGT, he was "invited" to
audition for the show as a "preferred" contestant. At the same time, Ronan and his parents were "required" to enter into a
contract with SYCO. Like all SYCO contracts, it is heavily weighted in favour of the label and are notoriously bad, even in the
cut-throat world of the music industry. Simon effectively signed Ronan for life and he's got little or no chance of ever getting
out of it...unless Simon decides to terminate. Recording contracts are legally extremely complex and usually require input and
advice from very expensive, specialist contract lawyers. SYCO knows that such legal advice goes well beyond the means of
most contestants. As one senior SYCO executive said to me recently. "These people are mugs. They'll sign away their own
mother just to get on tv. It's a fucking turkey-shoot and then we own their arses!"
As is common for "invited" contestants that SYCO likes and have already signed, Ronan and his parents were provided with a
car to drive them to the audition in London. These "invited" contestants don't have to queue up with everyone else, they
don't go through the preliminary auditions with producers, but perform straight to Simon and the judging panel at a prearranged
time-slot. And so it was for Ronan back in 2009 when he was just 10.
It was at this initial audition that I first met Ronan and he looked very different back then. He was a skinny, 10 year old lad
who, even at that time, was a bit effeminate. His voice needed a bit of working on, but that wouldn't be a problem.
Unfortunately, nerves got the better of Ronan and he was unable to perform. Simon however, had already seen the audition
tapes from the scouts and took Ronan into an unused dressing room and got him to sing in there with his mum for support.
Clearly Ronan was not going to be part of BGT in 2009 and nothing from this was ever televised.
Ordinarily, you would think that would be the end of things, but with Ronan already signed to SYCO, far from it. This was just
the start of a two year grooming and manipulation process to prepare Ronan for stardom.
It's no big secret that Simon has been looking for an artist who could crack the very lucrative pre-teen market for some time,
particularly in the US. If you like, he wanted his own rival to Bieber and, taking a leaf out of how professional football
academies develop youngersters to feed their main team, Simon wanted his own singing academy and Ronan was just one of
a number of identified youngsters, with whom SYCO intensively works with.
A development package, which included professional singing, dancing and stage-craft tuition was arranged for Ronan and
the SYCO machine kicked into gear with the view of Ronan entering BGT 2010. Lots of work had been done with Ronan
and his voice was much improved, unfortunately nerves were still a major issue for him and it was decided by SYCO not to
enter him into the 2010 series.
At a following senior exec meeting at SYCO it was suggested that Ronan be dropped, but with Simon confident that he could
be the kid he had been looking for, it was agreed that Ronan would receive "intensive support and input" to ready him for the
2011 series. Although Ronan's voice was now stunning, there were other major problems to be dealt with in order to sell him
to the public. With respect to Ronan, he was nothing more than a cooky-looking, skinny runt of a kid and this was identified
as a major handicap to sales.
It was agreed at a high-level, secret SYCO meeting, that if they were to do anything with Ronan, he needed totally restyling
from the toes up. And so with time running out to develop Ronan into the star Simon wanted, SYCO went into overdrive.
Ronan was even given speech and elocution training to rid him of his rural Norfolk accent, again in preparation for the
potential US market. As for his effeminate and girlishness, this posed a bigger problem and resulted in many highly
confidential meetings. At one of these meetings, the unthinkable was raised as a way forward....
Until now Ronan had been encouraged to "boy-up" and it was planned to present Ronan as an everyday skater-boy. But
with his girliness still showing through, the image just wasn't believable. So a decision was taken to encourage and allow
Ronan to "release" and enhance his campness . Disgustingly, SYCO planned to sexualise him. They were well aware of
course, that if they sexualised a young girl to look sexually older than she is, all hell would let loose. But with Ronan, as one
executive put it, "no one has ever seen a 'gay' kid before, it'll be a novelty."
As for the pre-teen market, it was accepted they
wouldn't care if Ronan appeared gay or not...most probably don't know what gay is anyway. And so, with a total gaysexualisation
of Ronan secretly planned, SYCO got to work. I should stress, Ronan's parents were not aware of any of this
and were never consulted about Ronan's development or management. When I first met Ronan he was a bit effeminate in
his ways, but nothing like the camp, girlie-giggling kid you see now on BGT and this is a direct result of SYCO's styling. Even
his clothing worn at the audition and live semi-final were chosen for him by SYCO to match his new image.
SYCO took over everything to do with Ronan. His hairstyle, his clothes, his poise, giving tv interviews, you name it, Ronan
was styled within an inch of his life and all on the promise of stardom, just as long as he worked hard and listened to his
mentors. As for Ronan's parents they were constantly reassured that Simon was personally looking after Ronan and "it's all
good".
And so to BGT 2011. With Ronan ready to be unveiled, SYCO bosses, under instructions from Simon did something not
done in previous series of BGT; the winner of BGT 2011 was decided long before the first auditions took place and that
winner HAD to be Ronan Parke. With Ronan now 12, he looked and sounded just as SYCO had planned, but time was
running out. Soon Ronan would be going into puberty and his voice would eventually break, so BGT 2011 had to be the
vehicle to launch Ronan's career; another year and as a singer he would probably be beyond any meaningful career and the
opportunity will have been missed. With all this investment in Ronan, the production managers at SYCO TV are ready to
deliver Ronan as ordered. Again, I need to stress, Ronan and his parents know nothing of this and have no idea Ronan will
win BGT this weekend.
So far in the history of BGT and X-Factor, for that matter, no one has ever won who has not been an "invited or preferred"
contestant, and it does sadden me that, all those thousands of people, lining up outside, often in the rain and cold, are
basically wasting their time. The producers of BGT are not looking for the talented people, they aready have those. The
reality is that the producers are hunting out oddities, freaks and, I'm ashamed to say, mentally ill people, to act as amusing
fillers in the audition shows.
They are nothing more than unpaid extras and they don't even qualify for traveling expenses!
It's quite disgusting and shameful really, how the production team on BGT operate. People come from all over the country,
often at great personal expense, because they think BGT is a talent competition and they stand a chance of realising their
dreams. I can tell you from the inside that BGT is no more a "competition", than I am an astronaut. Nothing is left to chance
on BGT, everything is micro-managed, choreographed, manipulated and planned down to the last detail including, the
telephone voting.
The ability to manipulate viewers opinion is vital if you are to control telephone voting and indeed get the required result.
SYCO see this as essential to the success of the show and are very open about fact; planning and delivering live shows of
quality is impossible if it was purely left to the public vote. As Simon said in a meeting once. "The public NEED to be told who
to vote for." Everything on BGT is geared towards telling you who you should for, particularly on the production side. It's an
art really, which Simon has honed to perfection and SYCO are now world leaders at.
The micro-management of Ronan's audition performance was incredible. I was really quite shocked at his new image. From a
starting point of wanting Ronan to look cute for the pre-teen market, SYCO had totally gayed him up in the process. Ronan's
not a 16 year old expressing his sexualty for the first time, he's a 12 year old boy. It was horrible and I was very
uncomfortable as to where this was going to end. Ronan, still suffering from nerves, performed his song and received a
standing ovation from all three judges...why? Because it was in the script to give Ronan a standing ovation. As for Louis
comment. "Ronan Parke. Remember that name. This kid's gonna be a star!!" - that was actually fed to him from the
production gallery and I know the guy who wrote the line. And when it comes to Ronan's tears...well, check it out on
YouTube or something. You see Ronan crying and wiping away tears. Only you don't see any actual tears, not even on
close-up and on an HD tv. Yep you guessed it, even that was choreographed, right down to the lip-biting!
It was also interesting to see that even before the final credits rolled on Ronan's audition show, SYCO TV had uploaded the
offical video of Ronan onto YouTube. Today, that particular video has been viewed over 2.5 million times and growing.
SYCO don't do that for other contestants, so why Ronan? The gaying-up Ronan plan slightly backfired on SYCO when lots
of negative comments were being posted on YouTube and Twitter about Ronan's image and the supposed sexuality that
represents. Things got so bad on YouTube that the posting of comments had to be suspended. But SYCO learned from
this and dressed Ronan more appropriately for his semi-final show; preferring a much more Bieber inspired look to the 'gaykid'
image presented in the audition.
In another unusal move for BGT contestants, SYCO created Ronan's Official Facebook Fan Page and Twitter account. Both
these services are managed from within SYCO and they post messages and pictures, not Ronan. This is because they don't
want Ronan posting anything controversial and is standard practice for currrent artists signed to SYCO.
And so this weekend will see Ronan crowned as winner of BGT 2011. Oh and let's not forget the £100k prize money. It's
unlikely Ronan will see much or any of that. He's been signed to SYCO for two years now and under the terms of his
contract, while SYCO stump-up for costs in advance, this is paid back from future earnings. So he will need to pay for all
those lessons, coaches, cars, clothes, styling and management... I wouldn't be surprised even after winning BGT, if he is not
still in debt to SYCO.
As a recording artist Ronan has a relatively short shelf-life. Simon knows he is going to have to hit the ground running to
maximise Ronan's earning potential, particularly if they go ahead with a planned break into the States and the pace is going
to be frantic for Ronan. If you think the music industry is bad in the UK, you haven't seen anything until you experience it
Stateside. With an "anything goes" attitude all morals have long since gone out of the window. There will be no allowance
for Ronan's age and he will be expected to perform on late- night shows and dinners etc. And if he get exhausted, there's
always some sleaze-bag on hand ready to put a line of coke under his nose. I've seen it a million times.
I know for a fact, that the songs have already been chosen for Ronan's debut single and album, and that the backing and
drum tracks have already been laid down.
Of course, once Ronan's voice breaks, it's game-over and he will be commercially redundant for a few years. By the time he
gets through that, the world will have moved on and his fan-base will have grown-up a bit. Will he make a comeback? In my
experience I'd say probably not.
I've met Ronan a few times over the past couple of years. He's a really nice kid with a generous, warm personality and the
most wonderfully cute, girlie-giggle. There's nothing to not like about Ronan. He's a really sensitive soul and this comes
across as him being a bit effeminate. But in a world of thuggish chavs, Ronan's a real breath of fresh air really and a real
delight to chat to. Do I think Ronan's gay? No, is the short answer to that. SYCO have got a lot to answer for in their initial
styling and image for Ronan. Like many 12 year old boys, Ronan may have issues in coming to terms with his sexuality in a
couple of years. But right now, he's just a great kid...a bit different, I admit...but a great kid just the same.
I hope Ronan is not damaged by this experience, unforunately, history warns otherwise...but whatever, the genie is already
out of the bottle and come this weekend, Ronan's life will change forever. Whether it's a good or bad experience being a 12
year old star in today's music industry, only time will tell. But as an industry insider I have serious reservations about what is
about to happen to Ronan Parke and I doubt he or his family are ready for what's coming.
Thanks to my friends on Twitter and Facebook for getting this document out. Without you my voice would be silent.
** If you want to help expose the lie which is Britain's Got Talent, please feel free to republish this article or post a link to it

Anon
Sony Music UK
 

Kosmo

Banned
The producers of BGT are not looking for the talented people, they aready have those. Thereality is that the producers are hunting out oddities, freaks and, I'm ashamed to say, mentally ill people, to act as amusing
fillers in the audition shows.

Uh, duh. That's the best part of these shows.
 

Mudkips

Banned
I am shocked and appalled.

Next you'll be telling me that the people on Hell's Kitchen don't notice the cameraman filming their reaction shots when they get the acceptance letter.
 

Brannon

Member
Naw.

Really?

Guess it's a slow news day if they needed to throw this on the pages. I'd actually be shocked if this news was fake and they really did give everybody a fair chance.
 

big ander

Member
Yeah, I think most people realize that these are fixed to a degree.
There are some crazies that refuse to believe that any part of any reality show is orchestrated. Just the other day my mom was watching Pawn Queens and there was some situation revolving around a lost ring. I thought it was so obvious by the amount and placement of coverage and the delivery of the people that it was lightly scripted as filler so they could continue that storyline throughout and just have the little realer pawning vignettes throughout. But my mom refused to recognize that and got really into it.
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
None of it is that unbelievable, apart from the gaying up a 12yo thing, but word is it was put out by a gambling syndicate who have money on a rival contestant.

Although that's not confirmed either.
 
I knew all this shit from watching one episode of this type of crap, also they pretend to not like some one but keep them in the contest to make them popular.
Also the judges all know the phone poll dater asap so they manipulate events as they see fit.
 
Doesn't really make sense to me. The winners of these types of shows usually fade into obscurity immediately after the show is over, I don't know why you'd have him win it if you actually wanted his career to take off.
 
I really couldn't care less.. but most of that sounds like a bunch of crap anyways.

During the course of all of these shows it's obvious they choose certain contestants to highlight, give them stylists, etc. They are already making money on these people and they've already signed all rights to whatever they do while on the show (and after if they win).

The part about him being picked before hand.. signed 2 years earlier.. sort of lol to me.. that would be pretty easy to prove wouldn't it?

You can't just go giving a 10 year old a record deal and have that not be on some official record somewhere. It's not like the employees of companies are some trade secret.
 
Brannon said:
At least shows like 'Repo' are so blatantly fake that they become somewhat enjoyable in their own right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu6R_0XswBA It involves the Delorean and some dance moves...
There was some show on the other day called All Worked Up on TruTV and had this awesome guy who had to serve papers and it was the most fake thing I had ever seen on television. But it was so awesome and hilarious I didn't mind at all.
 

Rich!

Member
Did the winner of the X Factor a couple of years back ever recover from being absolutely beaten to the christmas number 1 by Rage Against the Machine? It seems to have completely killed his career.

Thank god.
 

DanteFox

Member
I knew there was a certain amount of fakery involved, mainly that the judges fake surprise at such contestants like Susan Boyle. What is surprising from the OP is that the winners are chosen beforehand just so that they can manufacture stars.

Pretty sickening that the people lining up have no chance to win.
 
rainking187 said:
Doesn't really make sense to me. The winners of these types of shows usually fade into obscurity immediately after the show is over, I don't know why you'd have him win it if you actually wanted his career to take off.
Everyone who gets on to preform signs a contract with Cowels company who come in first doesn't matter if any of them hit it big then the show is a success.
 
richisawesome said:
Did the winner of the X Factor a couple of years back ever recover from being absolutely beaten to the christmas number 1 by Rage Against the Machine? It seems to have completely killed his career.

Thank god.
He was dropped by Cowell's record label.
 

ggnoobIGN

Banned
I think they pruposely don't take the best talent as the winner. Take America's Got Talent for example.

Michael Grimm won last year despite being thought of as a distant 4th heading into the finals (and he deserved a lot worse than 4th, the dude really wasn't good). But the other three had already "won". Poppycock was one of the most exuberant personalities the world has ever seen. Fighting Gravity put on an act that most anyone had never seen before and now have their own Vegas show. Jackie Evancho was already an American celebrity before the show even ended.

Yet Michael Grimm somehow beat them all. Yeah right. He was the only one who actually needed the boost. Same reason why the ugly opera singer on BGT finished 3rd when she was on. She didn't need to win.
 
Is there any actual proof of any kind, or just a statement? If there's no hard evidence, then this isnt any different than how people have talked shit about reality television since the stuff starting booming since survivor got big.
 

kitch9

Banned
The votes are dealt with by an independent third party after a big voting scandal that hit here in the uk, not sure how they can fix that.

The programme makers would do well to get this type of conspiracy past our press too, they'd just love to blow the lid on something like this.
 

Koodo

Banned
Marius_ said:
I don't believe it for American Idol since the past several winners have been shit
lmao, indeed. I don't think American Idol is under SYCO either.

The last 4 winners have been too aligned with what one would expect to result from an influx of tween votes. Every contestant has also gone on to have a lukewarm at best career. The judges were also visibly displeased with Kris Allen's win (oh lul, those gifs).

They apparently do the same shit in the audition process though. That's one of the practices that disturb me the most. Taking people who likely have psychological problems and putting them on TV to be ridiculed by millions. It felt funny during the first couple of seasons, but now it's just annoying and obviously contrived.
 
rainking187 said:
Doesn't really make sense to me. The winners of these types of shows usually fade into obscurity immediately after the show is over, I don't know why you'd have him win it if you actually wanted his career to take off.

It's actually way smart given how the pop music industry is structured. It takes the gigantic cost sink that record companies invest in production / marketing / publicity on a bunch of artists that don't make it. In the music world, the gambit is making sure your bets that do become huge success are often and huge enough so their incredible upside profits make up for the tremendous losses they take on all the others that don't become huge successes.

These shows turn that equation on its head by negating that loss. So they are already starting from a profitable enterprise, sans actual star performance.

Any actual successes are pure gravy.
 

Jill Sandwich

the turds of Optimus Prime
Yeah sorry for the wall of unformatted copypasta, I'll try and tidy it up. I hope more 'hopefuls' see the light before queueing up for the next 'audition'
 
Jill Sandwich said:
Yeah sorry for the wall of unformatted copypasta, I'll try and tidy it up. I hope more 'hopefuls' see the light before queueing up for the next 'audition'
So long as they are happy been tossed in the bin and forgotten about in a year some of them will make a lot of money, the contestants closer to prostitutes then anything else.
 

OmniGamer

Member
This is obvious...they market it as this broad spectrum kind of thing, but it's a $1,000,000 prize... it's not going to go to some contortionist or fire eater...it's going to go to a singer 9 times out of 10... You can easily market music. You're not going to get a million dollars worth of people to care about someone hammering nails with their head. It's sideshow freakshow filler for tv
 

okno

Member
fredrancour said:
Is there any actual proof of any kind, or just a statement? If there's no hard evidence, then this isnt any different than how people have talked shit about reality television since the stuff starting booming since survivor got big.

Kind of hard to present hard evidence when you're trying to disguise your identity.
 

Koomaster

Member
kitch9 said:
The votes are dealt with by an independent third party after a big voting scandal that hit here in the uk, not sure how they can fix that.

The programme makers would do well to get this type of conspiracy past our press too, they'd just love to blow the lid on something like this.
It's not about vote fixing so much as it is manipulating the audience to vote for who you want them to vote for. Give them the right image, have them say/do/sing the right things, have the judges react in the right ways and you'll get the audience vote.
 
Koomaster said:
It's not about vote fixing so much as it is manipulating the audience to vote for who you want them to vote for. Give them the right image, have them say/do/sing the right things, have the judges react in the right ways and you'll get the audience vote.

Yeah.. but the idea that some 10 year old was hired on for 2 years of grooming before the show even aired when he was 12...

Seems a bit far fetched. So everyone in his family kept this a secret? The kid never told a friend?

It's painfully obvious they highlight certain "contestants" over others.. either way the producers pick the people that actually end up on the show... so why that would be shocking or controversial is a bit.. strange.
 

captive

Joe Six-Pack: posting for the common man
nVidiot_Whore said:
Seems a bit far fetched. So everyone in his family kept this a secret? The kid never told a friend?
just because he's been groomed and is already picked to win doesn't mean they told the family or the kid that. They could have just told them they think he has talent and they want to work with him and then there's an "opportunity" which comes up which is the TV show.
 
captive said:
just because he's been groomed and is already picked to win doesn't mean they told the family or the kid that. They could have just told them they think he has talent and they want to work with him and then there's an "opportunity" which comes up which is the TV show.

Errr.. either way according to this "whistle blower" he was hired on 2 years ago by Simon Cowels company.. given voice and dance training.. style makeover and all of that.

I'm not saying he had to have been told he'd be the winner of some show.. but if he really has spent the last 2 years working for SYCO.. how exactly did they hide that?
 
Anecdotal evidence but my friend applied for X Factor and there was some shady shit like this going. For one, they told her and the crowd for the purposes of the live show they were to pretend they were in a different city. During the audition, she was to pretend she was reacting to Syco and co when in actual fact it was a line of producers. She was also told she was good but "a male has already been selected to win this year".
 

Cindres

Vied for a tag related to cocks, so here it is.
While we're in here. Did the hoff say "cunt" tonight? Swear he did!
 
Messypandas said:
She was also told she was good but "a male has already been selected to win this year".

Only the execs would know that, and they wouldn't tell schmucks (the lower down producers/directors/agents).
 
Galvanise_ said:
Only the execs would know that, and they wouldn't tell schmucks (the lower down producers/directors/agents).

I don't think they said it during the audition, and I have no reason she would lie about it either. I don't care enough about the shows to make shit up
 
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