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Sony sued over Dual Shock, 90.7 million

Here's a hint for many: If you don't post news on this forum, don't start now. Chances are, you're just not fast and it's already been posted. Leave it up to the big boys.
 
Holy crap! :) well, at least I missed it. I musta been sleeping, buying furniture, or watching Doctor Who

Appealing or paying out?
Didn't Microsoft just cave in and negotiate a liscence to the tech?
 
In the ruling handed down Thursday, the federal court also ordered Sony Computer Entertainment and Sony Entertainment America Inc. to stop selling the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 game consoles using Dualshock controllers as well as more than 40 game software products.

Thats just about the ballsiest thing you could ask of Sony.... it's basically saying "let's have a nice long legal fight"
 
It's good that we don't encourage redundant threads, but I do believe people take too much offence to them when at the same time, a lot of retarded threads are created as well. Ironically, both seem to spur some sort of conversation.
 
Pug said:
Alpha believe me if we still had the delete thread option I would use it!
Good lord son edit your post and remove all content, THIS IS LIFE OR DEATH SON.

Alpha chill out, I doubt this thread is forcing you to read it.
 
Robert-GCA said:
Damn...I wonder how much more debt each year Sony can handle. They aren't exactly raking in enormous profits each year.

Well if things get to bad I'm sure they'll sell off their unprofitable divisions like consumer electronics and robotics and stay with what's making them the cash: entertainment divisions like video games, movies, and music.
 
n the ruling handed down Thursday, the federal court also ordered Sony Computer Entertainment and Sony Entertainment America Inc. to stop selling the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 game consoles using Dualshock controllers as well as more than 40 game software products. (Kyodo News)


Wow, so how does this affect us now? PS2's and controllers realistically can't be pulled form shelves, can they? I don't think this'll happen, and the would have reached some agreement.












Teh patent does indeed sound vague.
 
Once the federal court of appeals declares somethings, its in stone. Who are they going to appeal to? The Supreme Court?

RaymondCarver said:
Wow, so how does this affect us now? PS2's and controllers realistically can't be pulled form shelves, can they? I don't think this'll happen, and the would have reached some agreement.

If the court orders it (which they did), yes.

Sony had a chance to settle all this out of court, but refused. Now they are faced with this. Punishment for their arrogance.
 
Who are they going to appeal to? The Supreme Court?
Them, Federal Appeals Court which they can spend a decade or more in if they want, etc.. And if this doesn't seem like its worth Supreme Court consideration, well thats never stopped them before when someone starts picking on the poor unfortunate major corporations.
 
Can someone please explain me why this doesn't apply to MS nor Nintendo controllers? Did they actually pay the rights to Immersion or what? Thanks.
 
TTP said:
Can someone please explain me why this doesn't apply to MS nor Nintendo controllers? Did they actually pay the rights to Immersion or what? Thanks.

MS paid, as for Nintendo, their controller is just different enough to avoid patent infringement. Something about the motor driving the spinning device that provides force feedback versus the motor actually doing the spinning to rumble, IIRC.
 
TTP said:
Can someone please explain me why this doesn't apply to MS nor Nintendo controllers? Did they actually pay the rights to Immersion or what? Thanks.

IIRC, Microsoft licenses the technology and Nintendo holds a patent of their own, pre-dating the Immersion patent.
 
gamergirly said:
The news just continues to get worse and worse with Sony. What's up with all the bad luck lately?

Didn't you say you *weren't* part of the spin? The only other news I've read about Sony is how well the PSP launch went. Now, that may or may not be true, but it's certainly not bad news, is it?
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Didn't you say you *weren't* part of the spin? The only other news I've read about Sony is how well the PSP launch went. Now, that may or may not be true, but it's certainly not bad news, is it?


doesnt sound like spin to me, this is not good no matter how you look at it brah.
 
sp0rsk said:
doesnt sound like spin to me, this is not good no matter how you look at it brah.

Upcoming report on CNN: "Is it Game Over for Sony?"

:lol :lol Never underestimate the ability of the media to manufacture hysteria.
 
AlphaSnake said:
Here's a hint for many: If you don't post news on this forum, don't start now. Chances are, you're just not fast and it's already been posted. Leave it up to the big boys.

Calm it down, AlphaMale.
 
ecliptic said:
Sony had a chance to settle all this out of court, but refused. Now they are faced with this. Punishment for their arrogance.

Yes, how arrogant of Sony to fight this. Especially after Microsoft bought a stake in Immersion as part of their settlement arrangement, more or less with the sole intention of using them as a legal weapon against Sony by means of this suit. Typical underhanded corporate bullshit. So Sony dug in their heels and fought back, instead of meekly ponying up the bucks to Immersion and MS. Had Microsoft not been involved, perhaps things would have gone differently. Under the circumstances, though, I can hardly blame Sony. With any luck, they'll win an appeal.
 
sp0rsk said:
doesnt sound like spin to me, this is not good no matter how you look at it brah.

This *is* bad news-- it's the reference to all the "bad luck" lately and how the news gets "worse and worse with Sony" coupled with a comment gamegirly made elsewhere about supposedly not spinning the PSP launch into bad news.

Unless he's referring to some other bad news.
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
This *is* bad news-- it's the reference to all the "bad luck" lately and how the news gets "worse and worse with Sony" coupled with a comment gamegirly made elsewhere about supposedly not spinning the PSP launch into bad news.

Unless he's referring to some other bad news.

oh, yeah, i dont see much bad sony news aside from this. The whole psp thing is going pretty well
 
Diffense said:
Well, at least we know PS3 will have a new controller. :)
Why will the PS3 have a new controller? Sony can't use this way of doing rumble, buy they can use the same design (it's their own). Just like the Dual Shock 1 -> 2, the design is the same but some things are different (like the upgraded rumble motor).

Too bad it will probably stay the same, because a new controller is always fun :)
 
Thank Nerevar and lokii for the clarification (and sorry for having bumped an old news).

Tallaerin, do you have a link or something related to the MS/Immersion arrangement?
 
Ignatz Mouse said:
Didn't you say you *weren't* part of the spin? The only other news I've read about Sony is how well the PSP launch went. Now, that may or may not be true, but it's certainly not bad news, is it?

Being sued for 90 million dollars and having a possiblity of getting some of your production stopped isnt what we(as in the real world that you're not involved in clearly) call "good news". There's no spin on it all, that's just the way it is.

Now, if you want to continue following me around thread after thread bc you could never prove where I said 700,000 sold out of 1 million shipped was a failure(bc it's NOT in the least), then be my guest. I'd like to stay on topic :D
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4387045.stm


Sony faces $90.7m patent damages

Sony has been told to pay $90.7m (ÂŁ48m) in damages and stop selling PlayStation consoles in the United States after losing a patent infringement lawsuit.

Sony said it would appeal the decision, stemming from a 2002 case brought by US firm Immersion, and would continue to sell its products pending the hearing.

A California court found that Sony had infringed sensory technology developed by the small tech business.

This allows a controller to vibrate in time with the game's actions.

Appeal

A federal district court in Oakland upheld a decision by a US court last year which ordered Sony Computer Entertainment, Sony's gaming unit, to pay $82m in damages.

However, the order to suspend sales of PlayStation and PlayStation 2 consoles - the best selling games platforms in the world- and more than 40 individual games does not hold while an appeal is being heard.

Immersion Corporation claimed that Sony's Dual Shock controller for its two PlayStation consoles violated its patent rights, a claim which Sony has denied.

The $90m award is more than three times Immersion's total revenues last year, which amounted to $23.8m.

The California based company develops and licenses digital technology.

Computer games are vital to Sony as profits from its consumer electronics business continue to slide.

The Japanese company's shares closed down 0.91% at 4,360 yen on Monday.
 
MS paid 26M to get the stake in Immersion. If you count the number of rumble controllers they sold, it comes down to approx the same per-controller fee that Sony will have to pay if they lose when the ruling is completely over. Difference of course being that MS probably doesn't have to pay further fees on their future rumble controller sales, and Sony will have to (if they lose, and choose to use the same rumble as they have in DS1 and DS2)
 
turok4n64 said:
down with Sony!!

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22149

A RULING by a judge that Sony infringed patents from Immersion has led to an order that it stop selling its games machines in the USA.

And, according to the Wall Street Journal, Sony will have to pay $90.7 million to Immersion.

But, the report said, Sony is to defy the ruling by the US court and will carry on selling games machines and won't pay the money.

The paper quotes a Sony exec as saying the firm doesn't agree with the order.

Last week Sony launched its PSP handheld in the States, but that machine isn't part of the lawsuit, said the Journal.

Immersion has already collected $26 million from Microsoft over a previous ruling. We wonder how the judge will react to Sony's defiance of a court order. Normally judges' sense of humour get a little strained when people or companies "don't agree".


Sony is tough :lol
 
mashoutposse said:
This will be appealed faster than you can say the word 'appeal'

I saw this on the news today. This was the appeal. The first one anyway. I'm sure they'll take it to a higher court, though. Crazy news.
 
gamergirly said:
Being sued for 90 million dollars and having a possiblity of getting some of your production stopped isnt what we(as in the real world that you're not involved in clearly) call "good news". There's no spin on it all, that's just the way it is.

in the real world there are still PS2 shortages, so even if there's an injunction there's not many PS2's out there that Sony would have to pull from the shelves
 
TTP said:
Thank Nerevar and lokii for the clarification (and sorry for having bumped an old news).

Tallaerin, do you have a link or something related to the MS/Immersion arrangement?

Should Sony choose to settle, there may be more than one winner in the case--the other being Microsoft. In 2003, Immersion settled a similar patent-infringement case with Microsoft over its Xbox gaming system. Under terms of that settlement, Microsoft paid Immersion $20 million in cash and took a 9% equity stake, worth $6 million, in the company. It also has an option to convert a $9 million debenture into more Immersion stock.

Moreover, Immersion Chief Executive Victor Viegas says the settlement also includes a sub-license that allows Microsoft to cut license agreements on Immersion's technology with other companies--including Sony. Under such a deal Microsoft would share license revenue. But should Immersion settle with Sony, the latter would be obligated to pay Microsoft a minimum of $15 million. That's pocket change to a company that generates billions in cash every year, but could be viewed as a symbolic victory for Microsoft over Sony.

Viegas says the deal with Microsoft gave it a stronger negotiating position with other companies, and should give it increased leverage with Sony should the two come to the negotiating table.

http://www.forbes.com/technology/enterprisetech/2005/03/28/cx_ah_0328sony.html
 
It seems so. Sony could either win or lose all now. Damn, they must feel relived they didn't add a rumble feature in the PSP too.
 
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