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[Topher]

Doesn't appear to be an issue with Nintendo, so why would it be with Sony?



What has loosened Nintendo's limitations then?



Not at all. People will just refuse to pay for it if it costs too much. They tried that with the PS3. It backfired spectacularly.

Let's look at Nintendo as an example. You've agreed here that Nintendo off a unique experience without any competition. In which case, why isn't the Switch 2 $/£650? Because people wouldn't pay for it.



Great question.

The console isn't just about profit from the box. Nowadays it's a gateway into Sony's ecosystem for:

PlayStation Plus (subscriptions)
Digital storefront (commissions)
Accessories and peripherals

But other gaming devices are still competition. Are you really suggesting a gaming PC or Nintendo isn't competition to Sony?

$80 Nintendo games. Key cards. Some games are still $70 that launched with the first Switch. As it is, Switch 2 got a $150 price hike over the original. I don't know how one would describe all of that as coming from a company worried about competition.

PS3 had direct competition with Xbox 360.

My argument about "direct competition" seems pretty obvious to me, but I'm not going to keep repeating myself. Agree to disagree.

 

[semiconscious]

went over 2 years without a ps5 & didn't feel i was missing much. at this point, i'm pretty confident it'll be at least that long at a minimum next time...

 

[yogaflame]

I will still buy ps6 despite of the gaas blunder. I think Sony learned there lesson and Ps6 will be just like Ps2 this time with more single player exclusives.

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

The only way PS6 isn't a decline in hardware sales is if they prioritize affordability. Fans will have to take a graphical leap hit to get back to a healthy platform and dev industry that reigns things in a little.

 

[Topher]

If Xbox bows out, I'm not sure that Nintendo would necessarily stay with their current strategy. Not to say they would give up on a hybrid console, but there's also a possibility they could throw their hat back in the ring in terms of a more straightforward console (in addition to a handheld/hybrid option)- similar to the GameCube back in the day. After all, one less competitor would create a very favourable opportunity - especially considering how many dedicated fans Nintendo has.

As well, there's this idea that console players will turn to Sony as the one left standing in a hypothetical future without Xbox. But that's not necessarily correct. The Switch 2 doesn't get all the third-party games, but it does get a lot of them - and potentially way more if they and Sony are the only console platforms. People may choose them over Sony in that instance, especially if they also appreciate Nintendo's first-party games.

I'd love to see a traditional console from Nintendo frankly. If they were able to leverage that relationship with Nvidia then they could become more of a force in that space.

Third party for Switch is there, but I'd say folks buy Nintendo for first party first and foremost. If they want to play the third party games that are popular on PlayStation and Xbox then they will just buy a PlayStation.

 

[Lightbreak]

Maybe the person who created the OT, F FalconPunch doesn't know that Sony has the best year even in regards of income... so i doubt the PS6 will do any less

 

[asdasdasdbb]

I'd love to see a traditional console from Nintendo frankly.

I could see Nintendo just selling a "Switch 2 with No Screen" but I think the BOM decrease wouldn't be worth it.

But a real Traditional Console? Not happening.

 

[Felessan]

AI Overview

AMD's 2028 roadmap includes the launch of the AM6 socket for desktop CPUs, likely with a new Zen 7 architecture, and a potential next-generation console partnership with Sony, potentially for the PlayStation 6. The AM6 socket is expected to offer more pins for increased power and I/O bandwidth. While 2028 is a target for the desktop launch, the company is already developing Zen 6 for mobile and desktop in 2026-2027.
But I mean 2027 release surprised more or less everyone, so I don't understand why you even ask to a prove.

I do think people who just copypaste AI "information compression" (and that's all LLM do, they don't concisely analyze or verify) are idiots. Nothing personal. AI ain't magic - if internet is 90% shit (and it's really so), AI, who learned from internet, answers will be like that.
I don't really know about everyone. 2027 plan was hefty discussed in leaks threads for at least half an year already. Only those laymens who don't care or some hard believers (or non-brelievers) still think that it's posed for 2028 or beyond would be "surprised".

 

[Topher]

I could see Nintendo just selling a "Switch 2 with No Screen" but I think the BOM decrease wouldn't be worth it.

But a real Traditional Console? Not happening.

Probably not. I'd buy it in a heart beat if they did though.

 

[nial]

PS6 and PS6 Portable with Gran Turismo 8 and Astro Bot 2 would be the greatest console launch of all time. Do it, Sony!

 

[IDKFA]

$80 Nintendo games.

Following Sony and Microsoft.

Key cards.

Not forced on the publisher, but an option because those carts aren't cheap. Pretty sure this doesn't apply to first party games either.

Some games are still $70 that launched with the first Switch.

Sign of the times. All games for every platform have increased.

As it is, Switch 2 got a $150 price hike over the original.

Yes. But Nintendo couldn't go 250 or 350 higher than the OG Switch because the general public would reject it. It would flop.

I don't know how one would describe all of that as coming from a company worried about competition.

Did you expect the Switch 2 and the games to be priced the same as the eight year old Switch?

PS3 had direct competition with Xbox 360.

Hard to compare. Different era. Now there is far more competition for gamers money and attention.

Nintendo Switch 2 is offering almost the same games as the PS5 and Xbox, but a hybrid option. PC has the same games as PS5 and Xbox.

My argument about "direct competition" seems pretty obvious to me, but I'm not going to keep repeating myself. Agree to disagree.

Yes. Let's agree to disagree on this one. Thanks for your time.

 

[nial]

Following Sony and Microsoft.

Sony has never published any $80 game, and Microsoft was literally just following Nintendo.

 

[RoboFu]

I honestly think traditional adult gamers are the ones in for a shock. A lot of you are still talking about PS vs Xbox next gen. Thats over. Xbox isn't competing the same way it use to. It's really mostly down hill for a lot of us here. games are going toward more Roblox and less summer block buster and AI hasn't even really hit yet to push that,, but soon.

 

[laynelane]

Sony has never published any $80 game, and Microsoft was literally just following Nintendo.

I was wondering about that recently. I remember when MS announced $80 games, there were tonnes of Sonytoo comments, but Sony hasn't increased game prices, have they?

 

[yogaflame]

PS6 and PS6 Portable with Gran Turismo 8 and Astro Bot 2 would be the greatest console launch of all time. Do it, Sony!

And Stellar blade 2 will be icing on the cake if its a launch game for ps6 and psp3. I'm hoping for Physint to be a launch game but I think it will not be a launch game but one year or 2 years after Ps6 and PSP3 launch.

 

[nial]

And Stellar blade 2 will be icing on the cake if its a launch game for ps6 and psp3. I'm hoping for Physint to be a launch game but I think it will not be a launch game but one year or 2 years after Ps6 and PSP3 launch.

Stellar Blade 2 is probably for Q1 2028, so close enough.

 

[Topher]

I was wondering about that recently. I remember when MS announced $80 games, there were tonnes of Sonytoo comments, but Sony hasn't increased game prices, have they?

Nope. And MS reversed course.

Microsoft Confirms No $80 Xbox Games After All

The Outer Worlds 2 will not cost $80, nor will any Microsoft game this year.

www.gamespot.com

 

[laynelane]

Nope. And MS reversed course.

Microsoft Confirms No $80 Xbox Games After All

The Outer Worlds 2 will not cost $80, nor will any Microsoft game this year.

www.gamespot.com

The article says "this year" for MS walking back on game price increases. It's possible the increase will occur in 2026, but I hope they stay the course and keep them at $70.

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

First time since forever theres ZERO chance of me buying the new PS day 01
- shitty exclusives
- shitty support for the pro
- gaaaaaaaaaas
- wokenes
- even bigger crossgen

After 5 gens of playstation Im good... just going to wait.

This is me. I owned every PlayStation but I was day one for PS4, Pro, and PS5. I find my past positive experiences with Sony hardware was buying it four years in and having all those games available to me to play day one.

 

[Crayon]

What where you up to 6 months before the ps5 launched? Common sentiment was that it was going to be an epic disaster in every way. Remember, you are on the internet.

 

[Bojanglez]

Now this is where the problem is. To me, this generation appears to be rather similar to the latter years of the Xbox 360 generation. By that I mean, the software hasn't met expectations and it has quite delivered the highs we saw with the likes of Uncharted 2, Gow 3, TLOU on the ps3, or Uncharted 4/TLOU2/GOW/etc on the ps4.

I'm confused, the games you list here are games from the 360 generation

 

[nial]

If it costs $800-$1K or more it certainly won't be ok. It will sell to early adopters and hardcore fans then flat line. There's a reason Sony didn't have PS5 Pro be the default launch system. They knew it would only appeal to a very small crowd.

you literally responded yourself as for why it won't cost that

 

[Topher]

The article says "this year" for MS walking back on game price increases. It's possible the increase will occur in 2026, but I hope they stay the course and keep them at $70.

It will happen eventually, but Microsoft clearly isnt Nintendo.

 

[Minari]

This is me. I owned every PlayStation but I was day one for PS4, Pro, and PS5. I find my past positive experiences with Sony hardware was buying it four years in and having all those games available to me to play day one.

pretty sure all that shit only affects ppl who MAINLY buy ps5 for the exclusives, which we got less off,thats a fact.
for me its the ONLY place i game on,(ps4pro included for some dark souls remastered)and first party games is the cherry on top for me, not the cake.That has alway been third party games.

So im gonna be there day1 for ps6 regardless of what they did this gen. And to me the only fuckup was the whole GAAS bullshit.

FYI i didnt have a pc since 2014,switched to mac and its here to stay.

 

[nial]

I expect it to not ship with a disc drive.

I think that's already a given.

Identical to the PlayStation 5 and its detachable disc drive, customers will be able to buy the console individually as a "digital console", bundled with the PlayStation 6 as a "traditional console", or upgrade later by purchasing the detachable disc drive separately.

EXCLUSIVE - PlayStation 6 is Planned to Have a Detachable Disc Drive on Launch

Insider Gaming has learned that the PlayStation 6 is planned to have a detachable disc drive when the console launches.

insider-gaming.com

 

[IDKFA]

Sony has never published any $80 game, and Microsoft was literally just following Nintendo.

Check out my username.

 

[Edgelord79]

The only issue I could see is the rising costs of consoles. I think right now they are at the high end of what they could charge for a base (non Pro) console. We are still a couple of years out though so who knows if that will be a factor. Other than that, it will probably sell well.

 

[Karim]

I do think people who just copypaste AI "information compression" (and that's all LLM do, they don't concisely analyze or verify) are idiots. Nothing personal. AI ain't magic - if internet is 90% shit (and it's really so), AI, who learned from internet, answers will be like that.
I don't really know about everyone. 2027 plan was hefty discussed in leaks threads for at least half an year already. Only those laymens who don't care or some hard believers (or non-brelievers) still think that it's posed for 2028 or beyond would be "surprised".

You knew right the same leaks you find more "reliable" all coming just from the same internet "idiots"? So you are a laymans and a idiot too? Nothing personal but your hypocrisy and arrogance is something else.

 

[bitbydeath]

Poll is missing - Selling better than PS5.
With Xbox out of the race that's pretty much a given.

 

[saintjules]

you're not the center of the universe

 

[Ogbert]

It will be absolutely fine.

I'm not expecting anything exciting. But it will be the standard console for third party titles. Nintendo will own handhelds and first party.

Both will sell loads.

 

[Felessan]

You knew right the leaks are leaks and all coming from the net hardly official? So you are a laymans and a idiot too? Nothing personal eh.

Same as with discussion about AI models - you don't seems to understand how this things work.
There is no conscience in AI. And reflection, especially in public models are very limited. Public LLM is basically condensed information how it is with all it's known problem - some error checking is in place, but many stupid things still dominates.

 

[Karim]

Same as with discussion about AI models - you don't seems to understand how this things work.
There is no conscience in AI. And reflection, especially in public models are very limited. Public LLM is basically condensed information how it is with all it's known problem - some error checking is in place, but many stupid things still dominates.

I use AI to find faster the informations and it's extrapolated from the AMD roadmap. The hell is it this discourse about the conscience. Lol. You are really convinced too much to own a sort of Einstein mind my God.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

you literally responded yourself as for why it won't cost that

I think the sweet spot for PS6 launch is probably around $600-$649. Any more than that and they would be taking a huge risk of pricing out casuals.

 

[Humdinger]

I'm sure it'll do fine, assuming they price it reasonably. I picked "cause for concern," though - not because I'm concerned for Sony, but because I'm not sure whether I'll want it or not. I need to see what's on offer and how much of a jump it is over PS5 Pro.

 

[Topher]

I voted as well as PS5. That is a little optimistic. A lot of folks will likely just stick with PS5.

 

[Durin]

I think Sony is already showing signs of self-correcting when it comes to the cadence of single-player games, and likely will lower their output of service-based games to simply release ones that actually make money. Will echo I am concerned with their single-player games so far this gen being very iterative, and hope next-gen they'll experiment with more AA budget games they can release faster.

With Microsoft diminishing, I think Sony will absorb more marketshare next gen, but still sell slower than PS5 simply because PS5 is selling slower than PS4, and it's because people are staying on older consoles longer. I think the economy will still be recovering, so that will effect people buying a next console that I think graphically will be less noticeable an improvement, and if Sony produces a handheld will probably be enough for some of their audience instead.

It's going to be interesting because while Sony won't have as much direct competition, technological improvements stagnating will help portables like the Switch 2 + PC handhelds I think be enough for more people. Even more so, Android is already doing PC emulation, Google/Apple are being forced to allow third-party storefronts, and if Valve opens up Proton to work on arm-based chips...you'll see iOS/Android smartphones + Macbooks be capable gaming devices that people already own.

 

[Deficit]

Too many unknowns.

-What's the price of the PS6?

-What will make their handheld stand out?

-Will GAAS still be a major focus?

-Will first party be few and far between?

-Will first party be the same old shit?

If the PS6 is like the PS5 then it will be shit.

No PHYSICAL PS3 based backwards compat and im out. Like come the hell on Sony.

 

[NastyPasty]

I can't deny this generation has been a bit disappointing from a first party perspective. COVID, longer lead times and the disastrous pivot to live service games all played their part. But there's a lot in the pipeline now, there's real potential for the console to have an Indian summer of sorts.

Next year will have Fairgames, Wolverine, Marathon and Saros.

The following appear to be well into development and might make it before the PS6 releases in winter 2027:

• Media Molecule game
• Interstellar
• Venom
• Horizon MP
• Studio formed out of Deviation new IP
• Firesprite game
• Santa Monica / Barlog new IP

Plus potentially some Chinese/Indian hero projects.

And you might see some early PS6 era games going cross gen, Physint, Spider-Man 3 (2018), Ratchet and Clank (2029), LOU3, Horizon 3 and Matter.

All in all, it's potentially quite a lot. Coupled with GTA6 I could see the narrative around games and consoles in general being turned round in the next couple of years.

 

[laynelane]

It will happen eventually, but Microsoft clearly isnt Nintendo.

Nintendo games are over a hundred dollars where I live. I was at my local Game Stop tonight and they told me that Nintendo (Switch 2 and games) isn't selling a tonne right now. They're thinking the next big game release is when that will change.

Agreed that MS isn't Nintendo. Their games may not be able to sell for the same price as Nintendo's. On a positive note, though, I'll give MS props for listening to feed back about the price increase - even if it's only temporary. With Nintendo, it's like:

 

[fallingdove]

Well when you put it like that I guess Sony are a benevolent pro consumer company that isn't known for getting arrogant off the back of success

Cause that happened with one of the 7 gaming devices they released and the PS3 still ended up being pretty great.

The whole "Sony is only good when Xbox is keeping them in check" narrative is nonsense. Xbox has only been competitive in 1 generation.

 

[FalconPunch]

I believe the PS3 was a real eye opener for Sony. Their fans, en masse, rejected the price which led to positive change for the rest of the generation. The idea that they'd repeat the same mistake is just fear mongering or done by people who don't know the history of PS.

The problem is that a majority of people who experienced that mistake and rectified it have left the company. They left via retirement or via seeking out new opportunities. If those people were still at the company, the ps5 pro price is not $700+ and we aren't seeing the massive price hikes in services. The ps3 was almost 20 years ago. You can slready see clear evidence that Somy has forgotten those lessons.

 

[FalconPunch]

Maybe the person who created the OT, F FalconPunch doesn't know that Sony has the best year even in regards of income... so i doubt the PS6 will do any less

Best year of income is irrelevant in the face of inflation. Every single company is breaking revenue records. Furthermore, the growth in income is primarily coming from having people in their eco system purchase software and services not made by sony. So for example purchasing vbucks, shark cards, 3rd party software, etc. They're basically leeching off the work of others. This works until Microsoft successfully challenges the notion of having 3rd party stores on consoles in the courts. If Sony can't keep their users spending and purchasing through psn, their revenue drops substantially.

Often the gap between actions and consequences aren't immediate. For most people, by the time the consequences come, they've already forgotten the actions that led to it…

 

[Lightbreak]

Best year of income is irrelevant in the face of inflation. Every single company is breaking revenue records. Often the gap between actions and consequences aren't immediate. For most people, by the time the consequences come, they've already forgotten the actions that led to it…

Not really. In their 20 years in existence, this has been their best by far. They are the top grossing video game company in the world. Surpassing Xbox + Activision + Bethesda, doubling Nintendo, better than Tencent. And only with a coupe of exclusives. PS6 is going to do veeeeeery well.

 

[Edmund]

This sounds like a Paul Tassi article or a Michael Pachter prediction.

 

[BlitzerRadic]

This might sound a bit ridiculous to say especially coming off the release of Ghost of Yotei but, Sony's first party is in a rut. Barring Insomniac, their studios just can't get new software(not remasters) out at any sensible pace. Now, we can look to blame covid all we want, but there are third party developers doing so as we speak.

Regardless of what you think of the quality of Sony first party titles, there are few things I think we can all agree on. Their single player games are not taking significant risks. Their live service games have not quite hit the heights they were hoping to hit and, the quantity of worth while exclusive releases this gen has been at it's lowest in quite a long time. In my opinion, part of the responsibility of platform holders is to strive to innovate in both the software space and the hardware space to keep things fresh. This gen, barring a few releases, it doesn't appear that Sony has tried to innovate in the software space. They have chased trends with live service games and have come up short. Furthermore, they've continued with the template laid down during the ps4 generation for their single player titles. They innovated in the hardware space with the dual sense and the ssd however their biggest innovation this gen has been the price of the PS5 pro and the increases to PS+ prices. In Canada, it has reached the absurd price of $109.99 for 1 year of ps + essential.

In many ways, I believe the complaints of the lack of "real next gen" comes from the lack of innovation in their single player titles. They have not looked to use the ps5 to enable new experiences that could not be had on ps4. We can see this with the cross-gen releases of GOW Ragnarok, Spiderman Miles Morales, etc. To many on here the PS5 generation feels like an empty generation.

Now this is where the problem is. To me, this generation appears to be rather similar to the latter years of the Xbox 360 generation. By that I mean, the software hasn't met expectations and it has quite delivered the highs we saw with the likes of Uncharted 2, Gow 3, TLOU on the ps3, or Uncharted 4/TLOU2/GOW/etc on the ps4. Instead it seems, Sony is more focused on it's balance sheet this gen than the software. More concerning is the fact that there's been a huge loss of influential figures at Sony that helped spur and shepherd the creation of such influential software. We can begin to see the effects of this in the struggles Sony has had this gen convincing PS4 owners to upgrade to PS5.

While the ps5 is selling comparatively well, we've seen the effects of a long cross gen period. Following the rumors regarding the ps5 release in 2027, I'm almost certain that Sony will be in for a shock if they don't significantly course correct on the software front. This is not to say that the ps6 will sell poorly but, I expect them to have an extremely difficult time getting customer's to upgrade if the software is not enticing. The ps5 represents a console that is "good enough" for a certain segment of folks and delivers "good enough" visuals. If the software isn't the selling point, why should they upgrade? The hardcore will upgrade as always but imo, it may not have the legs of a traditional console if the software is not up to par.

What are gafs thoughs on this matter? Has Sony sowed seeds of doom that they'll reap next gen or will it go on to be the best selling playstation in history?

Bro auditioning to be the pachter of Neogaf lmao

 

[laynelane]

The problem is that a majority of people who experienced that mistake and rectified it have left the company. They left via retirement or via seeking out new opportunities. If those people were still at the company, the ps5 pro price is not $700+ and we aren't seeing the massive price hikes in services. The ps3 was almost 20 years ago. You can slready see clear evidence that Somy has forgotten those lessons.

People won't pay for an absurdly priced console. That's the takeaway. It doesn't matter who is at Sony - that is an immutable fact. The Pro is an optional upgrade and the price reflects that. Trying to use it to make the argument that the PS6 will be too expensive is disingenuous.

And, no, I don't see clear evidence that Sony has forgotten anything. When MS said they were increasing game prices, it was Sonytoo. Sony didn't do anything. That's the most recent example. Oh, wait, MS raised Game Pass prices so now Sonytoo for PS Plus. On and on it goes.

People keep trucking along with the made-up image in their minds of 'greedy' Sony. And too many of those people are ones who don't game on PS, as well. Or even on console. It's tediously transparent.

 

[Rockman33]

I also don't think Sony is doing well at all this gen software wise. But at the end of the day they might be the only high end console at a reasonable price on the market. That alone will be a HUGE draw to consumers. If they come out with a $600 console and Xbox is 800+ with all their terrible PR currently it's going to outsell it 10:1.

 

[CLW]

Xbox is DEAD literally or figuratively in 2 years

Nintendo doesn't have the hardware power

That leaves PC and PS and most people prefer the simple plug and play approach

This gen has been TERRIBLE for Sony 1st party exclusives but it doesn't matter FOMO and the desire to own the latest and greatest will keep Sony chugging along

 

[awwr999999]

PlayStation is shell of its former self, but plenty of people keep buying and their competition is getting weaker and weaker. PS6 will probably be fine, but it'll be the first PS console I'm not buying.

Studios that made PS1 games for PlayStation years ago are making PS1 games for Switch today.
Nintendo's competing against PlayStation's former self.