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Sony: Xbox 360 = Xbox version 1.5 (Ouch)
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problem is, horsepower isn't lacking. the device is very powerful and elegant.monkeyrun said:
it's just that, yes, ps3 has more horsepower. but really, as far as direct translation of said horsepower to visuals is concerned...i dont think anyone would be dissapointed with either consoles. its not like this gen or the previous one where graphics were actually flawed, the flaws will be far lessened now, given adequate development time. of course there are always rooms for improvement, but that's another debate.
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Nerevar said:
I love how people get angry at me when I speculate, as if no one else is doing the same thing.. Good job! :lol
Seriously, unless some crazy secret is hidden away still (which could be the case), I don't think Sony's claim of xbox 1.5 is too far off.
p.s.- I do own an xbox btw. lol
nitewulf said:
Well the one thing that stands out in peoples minds from the current generation is PS2s lack in IQ and pixel shading. That's with 1+ years of seperation between Xbox and PS2. Now both PS3 and Xbox 360 will have great IQ and pixel shading. The differences between the 2 systems will most likely be minimal. We'll have to see though.
Zelda-Bitch said:
There's a difference between speculating... and forcing your speculation on us as fact.
i think what gofreak is alluding to in most ps3/xenon hardware threads is quite correct. ps3 will be able to do more processed effects.
say madden xenon will have DoF, ps3 will implement some gloss on top. so on and so forth, depending on devs and games.
so MGS4 will basically be stunning with all sorts of bells and whistles. having said that...xenon games will look like the leaked pgr3 shots and better. so really, visuals will be not be a key difference, IMO. it's still down to art, just because you can put exquisite blurring and slow mo effects on your game doesnt mean you should overdo it, like most devs tend to do (w/ every new effect).
say madden xenon will have DoF, ps3 will implement some gloss on top. so on and so forth, depending on devs and games.
so MGS4 will basically be stunning with all sorts of bells and whistles. having said that...xenon games will look like the leaked pgr3 shots and better. so really, visuals will be not be a key difference, IMO. it's still down to art, just because you can put exquisite blurring and slow mo effects on your game doesnt mean you should overdo it, like most devs tend to do (w/ every new effect).
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DopeyFish said:
lol. yeah man!! That's totally what I was doing!! FORCING my opinion so far down your throat you have no choice but to accept it as FACT!!! :lol
worldrunover
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Aww, it's been like five years since we had our last spec war and PR shitfest. Kinda makes you think...
NINTENDO IS GIACOMO!
NINTENDO IS GIACOMO!
I think that many decisions MS has made for Xbox360 are completely wrong. But watching them improve in other matters like Japanese support makes me reluctant to predict the future. Although I will wait till PS3's release to decide if I gonna buy it or not cos I want to be assured that I won't end up with another Dreamcast.
Regardless of how powerful any of the consoles are here's what's going to happen. :lol
This gen:
High budget games from great developers: look awesome, have good framerates, are really fun, have awesome art and become instant classics
High budget games from ass developers: look awesome, have good framerates, are boring as fuck, have bad art and become laughing stocks
Low budget games from great developers: look good, have flakey framerates, are really fun, have awesome art and become cult classics
Low budget games from ass developers: OMG WTF
Next gen:
High budget games from great developers: look awesome, have good framerates, are really fun, have awesome art and become instant classics
High budget games from ass developers: look awesome, have good framerates, are boring as fuck, have bad art and become laughing stocks
Low budget games from great developers: look good, have flakey framerates, are really fun, have awesome art and become cult classics
Low budget games from ass developers: OMG WTF
This gen:
High budget games from great developers: look awesome, have good framerates, are really fun, have awesome art and become instant classics
High budget games from ass developers: look awesome, have good framerates, are boring as fuck, have bad art and become laughing stocks
Low budget games from great developers: look good, have flakey framerates, are really fun, have awesome art and become cult classics
Low budget games from ass developers: OMG WTF
Next gen:
High budget games from great developers: look awesome, have good framerates, are really fun, have awesome art and become instant classics
High budget games from ass developers: look awesome, have good framerates, are boring as fuck, have bad art and become laughing stocks
Low budget games from great developers: look good, have flakey framerates, are really fun, have awesome art and become cult classics
Low budget games from ass developers: OMG WTF
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Sony takes a lot of heat for their hyping strategies, but I'm sure you realize MS is not any better. Don't forget they had their own "Toy Story quality" hyping from Blackley himself, and tons of other stuff of that kind (remember the famous Xbox vs. PS2 vs. GC comparision chart?). Their hyping is OK by me actually, but when guys like Balmer and Allard start with preaching... jeez...
The 360 should be nice. I like the idea of wireless controllers (hope it's standard), and I'd really like to see wireless LAN capabilities right out of the box. They also have ATI on their side, and the controller looks good as well.
On the other hand, the look is rather bleh, and they are coming out first. The 360 will have the least powerful tech of all the consoles. It also has too many FPS's for my taste, and should be the king of PC ports with the XNA tools
PS3 will have true HD capability, a monster processor, and at least similar GPU as the 360. The development suite is up in the air, but NVidia is working with Sony to optimize it. At the least, it will be easier to program for than the PS2. Add Sony's huge library of licenses and titles, and the hype. PS3 will more than double sales of any next generation console, simply because it has Sony's style and name brand to help drive its sales. My kids call every console a Playstation these days, while back in my days it was everything Nintendo. That is the power that Sony has in the consumer's living room
As for Nintendo? The only thing to say is that the system will be full of surprises. Noone ever knows what they will do.
On the other hand, the look is rather bleh, and they are coming out first. The 360 will have the least powerful tech of all the consoles. It also has too many FPS's for my taste, and should be the king of PC ports with the XNA tools
PS3 will have true HD capability, a monster processor, and at least similar GPU as the 360. The development suite is up in the air, but NVidia is working with Sony to optimize it. At the least, it will be easier to program for than the PS2. Add Sony's huge library of licenses and titles, and the hype. PS3 will more than double sales of any next generation console, simply because it has Sony's style and name brand to help drive its sales. My kids call every console a Playstation these days, while back in my days it was everything Nintendo. That is the power that Sony has in the consumer's living room
As for Nintendo? The only thing to say is that the system will be full of surprises. Noone ever knows what they will do.
"PS3 will have true HD capability"
Meaning???
360 will have all games 16:9, 720p, 5.1 So that's not "true" HD??? Of course it will be able to output 1080, but as native, I am thrilled that the HW can do progressive scan natively.
It will also have a nice head start. Will it mean what it meant for the PS2? We can't really say for now.
All I know, as a cross platform owner since the Genesis/SNES days... is that this year has been about Xbox, Xbox... more Xbox, some kick ass God of War, Xbox.... Damn Forza RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Conker!!! Xbox, MTV and E3 with GAMES!!!... AHHHHHHH... then a blurry and not as good looking as we all hoped Zelda. Fun, but STILL nowhere as pretty as other GC games. I wanted this to crush RE4 graphically. Oh well, it will be fun; the only GC game I care about likely for the rest of this gen.
Board freaks, many of us cross platform owners are going to have a freaking blast next gen... and that's now cause it's taking most of the boards already. After next week, avalance of fun starts.
As for the "Xbox 1.5" commetns from Sony; this statement comes from a scared company. Over the last few years, they have ALWAYS been aloof, confident. Cool. Now it's cheap ass moving of their press conference, and stupid comments like this. Yea, 3x3GHZ, + a SMOKIN GPU + lot's o happy RAM, + ALL HD, that's 1.5. Sure, whatever.
Looks like Molly and Reggie need to meet up, they both like pulling cocky assed, can't be backed up bs out of their bungholes.
Meaning???
360 will have all games 16:9, 720p, 5.1 So that's not "true" HD??? Of course it will be able to output 1080, but as native, I am thrilled that the HW can do progressive scan natively.
It will also have a nice head start. Will it mean what it meant for the PS2? We can't really say for now.
All I know, as a cross platform owner since the Genesis/SNES days... is that this year has been about Xbox, Xbox... more Xbox, some kick ass God of War, Xbox.... Damn Forza RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Conker!!! Xbox, MTV and E3 with GAMES!!!... AHHHHHHH... then a blurry and not as good looking as we all hoped Zelda. Fun, but STILL nowhere as pretty as other GC games. I wanted this to crush RE4 graphically. Oh well, it will be fun; the only GC game I care about likely for the rest of this gen.
Board freaks, many of us cross platform owners are going to have a freaking blast next gen... and that's now cause it's taking most of the boards already. After next week, avalance of fun starts.
As for the "Xbox 1.5" commetns from Sony; this statement comes from a scared company. Over the last few years, they have ALWAYS been aloof, confident. Cool. Now it's cheap ass moving of their press conference, and stupid comments like this. Yea, 3x3GHZ, + a SMOKIN GPU + lot's o happy RAM, + ALL HD, that's 1.5. Sure, whatever.
Looks like Molly and Reggie need to meet up, they both like pulling cocky assed, can't be backed up bs out of their bungholes.
6.8 said:
Fan 1: "You were right. It doesn't matter."
Fan 2: "No, you were right. Our games DID look crappy. It SO matters."
Fan 1: "Nah, what are graphics anyway? It's all about the gameplay. 60 FPS, great art. That's all I care about."
Fan 2: "Blind fanboys. Your system can't match the RAW power of the PS3."
Fan 1: "Your system is only marginally better, and developers aren't using it anyway."
Fan 2: "The difference is like night and day!"
Fan 1: "It's liquid."
Fan 2: "It's ice."
Simultaneously: "It's Icebreakers Liquid Ice!"
JoDark said:
You are fuckin kidding yourself. All hardware manufacturers make dumb ass comments around E3. Sony didn't just start doing it this year... and they don't have an exclusive license on taking potshots at competitors... how conveniently short memories around here are.... Moving of their press conference? Yes and preventing the press from getting to MS' conference... oh but wait we alreayd know that shuttle service is provided between conferences....
Damn you are such an insider.
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JoDark said:
You need to read that Revolution Spec Thread good news all around for the X360
JoDark said:
As cocky as that statement by Mollie Smith may be, your post about this year bring about Xbox is even more retarded. Last I checked, Sony's still handing MS and Nintendo their combined asses. MS is MUCH closer to Nintendo than it is to Sony. And most here don't give Nintendo a prayer of a chance this coming gen. PEACE.
Pimpwerx said:
That's because developers have dropped third party support for the Cube, and total software sales for the Cube is much less on a monthly basis than they are for the Xbox. Not to mention the fact that in the US, the Cube usually sells half what the Xbox does, and less than 100K.
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Angelus said:
One Console Future would end if we all did that
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Angelus said:
Funny thing is that most people here will buy both consoles,. we just love arguing about stupid shit. It's in our collective GAF blood
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
and so would regular updates.
What incentive is there to push tech forward if there is no choice other than one console?
Sony would actually be able to bring in megaprofits from the extended life cycle and with less pressure to blow their wad on the hardware, the tech curve would likely be less pushed.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
They have debt which is more than covered by their assets. So it's not what you'd call actual real debt.
None of that would happen if there would be one console platform with some DVD-like consortium to control the development and any willing manufacturer to develop hardware.
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DCharlie said:
Exactly, one console future would suck. I'll probably just get PS3 next gen, but imagine if it were the only choice. Hardware advancements would end there. Take a look at Nintendo and the GB-line, that's what nonexistant competition does. They stuck with archaic hardware for 10 years before upgrading, hell I was surprised they even did that considering that there was no real incentive in doing so without competition.
Yeah, but gaming isn't like movie watching. Movies don't require interaction, games do...I'd hate to see a 'standardized' controller, inputs, etc. If things were to change it'd be tied up in the consotorium, and progress in gaming would be a lot slower than how it is now. I personally think 2 competitiors is best, and as much as I love Nintendo...way down the line it's going to be MS and Sony battling it out (hopefully, I don't want one to absolutely crus the other). And I'm fine with that senario.
Sony also owns an insurance division, they have liabilities -- I wouldn't consider that debt in the same vein as is collocially stated. Although, I suppose there could be a nuclear exchange in the South China Sea or something. *roll*
Can someone refresh my memory of how many days more we need to listen to these types of pseudo-logical sentences filled with more fallacious logic than most creationists use?
More serious retort: http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=1269438&postcount=112
Retort for Forum: Seriously, do yourself a favor and make the transition to Nobody cares about how the games actually look or play anyways and offer up the GBA as proof.
DopeyFish said:
Can someone refresh my memory of how many days more we need to listen to these types of pseudo-logical sentences filled with more fallacious logic than most creationists use?
More serious retort: http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=1269438&postcount=112
Retort for Forum: Seriously, do yourself a favor and make the transition to Nobody cares about how the games actually look or play anyways and offer up the GBA as proof.
How is that "fallacious logic"? Seriously. All we have to go on is what past experience has shown us. And until something totally opposite happens, it's a pretty safe bet that the tech wont be so far beyond what it will be 6 months from now. If the opposite happens the logic no longer applies and the bet sucks. Pretty simple.Vince said:
PhatSaqs said:
It's fallicious because he's implictly stating that preformance is a function of time, which it isn't and I explain why at the link I posted. You need to look at the preformance per area per application.
The logic never applied, it's nothing but a silly form of reductive thinking. In reality, the preformance limit is more step-wise and based around lithography advancements. There is an incrimental increase in preformance/area based on time within each lith node, but this isn't significant when looking as we are at the abstract bounds on preformance.
And when you look at the metrics that are applicable to those stated above, PS3 will be significantly ahead of X360, and this is able to be seen just from the public information thus far. Wait a week and then lets see what the conversation is concerning the minimal difference.
EDIT: Concerning your "past experience" you're just not looking hard enough. Look for occurances of equivalent die sizes and process technologies with different preformance levels. For example, Compare the 250nm (300MHz) Emotion Engine to a 250nm PentiumII/III (450MHz) in media applications. Or even the NEC SX-6 used in the Earth Simulator compared with a commodity CPU in the super computing realm.