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Sony's revolution
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One thing I was/am hoping for with PS3 is the 3D eyetoy that keeps getting mentioned. I'm wondering if it'll be feasible in PS3's life.
It seems though, that simply the extra processing power lets you do a lot more with even the original eyetoy (the ducks demo was excellent). Could open it to more thorough usage in "proper" games if it only takes a tiny tiny amount of overall power (vs the large proportions on PS2).
It seems though, that simply the extra processing power lets you do a lot more with even the original eyetoy (the ducks demo was excellent). Could open it to more thorough usage in "proper" games if it only takes a tiny tiny amount of overall power (vs the large proportions on PS2).
Mama Smurf
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One day, things like this will be fucking awesome for gaming. Hopefully this coming gen, who knows?
This 3D stuff is great, but all I really want is it to be incredibly accurate. Washing that screen in the first game drove me fucking nuts when it didn't detect movement sometimes.
This 3D stuff is great, but all I really want is it to be incredibly accurate. Washing that screen in the first game drove me fucking nuts when it didn't detect movement sometimes.
HomerSimpson-Man
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I was at circiut city and checked out the PS2 they set up, it was hooked up to the eye-toy. We and my friend messed around with the Virtua Fighter game. It was pretty damn cool. The thing that poped in my head was how much more advanced this game would be on PS3, more complex movements? Faster A.I. reactions? Better human recognition?
It's fun and you get some good exercise!! Spinning air kicks for everyone!!!
It's fun and you get some good exercise!! Spinning air kicks for everyone!!!
gofreak said:
I think it will be. The problem in the last gen was that the PS2 wasn't powerful enough to be able to create any games for it that were complex. I think the PS3 will be enough though. But what I want to know is, will we be able to use our old Eyetoys or will we have to get a new and improved one?
genjiZERO said:
I think if they're going to stick to 2D cameras for PS3, you'll certainly be able to use your old one.
I'm wondering where the hi-def ip camera might fit into this. I guess more resolution can't hurt, but it's still 2D.
I'm guessing they'll start out with 2D stuff with the same camera as PS2 (that'll also work with the HD IP camera) and then later release a 3D one. Well, I hope at least, but I'm somewhat sceptical if we'll see it in PS3's life. Infrared cameras are still REALLY expensive, right?
Still, I think you'll be able to a lot more with 2D now that there's processing power galore there. This is another area that's perfect for Cell btw, image/signal manipulation.
BTW, just got me thinking about Eyedentify again. That seems to be a really ideal/clever use of PS3's power - both image (camera) and sound (voice) detection/manipulation. I really can't wait to see what they can come up with in that department given the power that is there for that kind of thing.
Eyetoy 2 certainly sounds cool. First Eyetoy was interesting and certainly innovative, however it was crap. Sure it had bad games and wasn't well used, but thats because its functionality wasn't up to much. i.e. robot punching game where it sunclear why some punches hurt him and some dont. If they can refine this and make it accurate etc then it's got potential.
But I think everyone should be aware that while these things sound great, in practice they are anything but. Sure I can dodge bullets, but can I actually see them coming at me in order to judge the angle etc? OK I can slash a sword or throw a punch but these are worthless and repetitive gimmick-type gameplay if they aren't flexible and give some kind of physical feedback. Check out the arcade game sword slashers for evidence, those things suck hard.
Another example, ok you move your head to look round a corner, but this isnt natural because you have to keep your eyes on the screen. Aiming a gun will be cool though.
This versus gyroscopes with quality force feedback?
But I think everyone should be aware that while these things sound great, in practice they are anything but. Sure I can dodge bullets, but can I actually see them coming at me in order to judge the angle etc? OK I can slash a sword or throw a punch but these are worthless and repetitive gimmick-type gameplay if they aren't flexible and give some kind of physical feedback. Check out the arcade game sword slashers for evidence, those things suck hard.
Another example, ok you move your head to look round a corner, but this isnt natural because you have to keep your eyes on the screen. Aiming a gun will be cool though.
This versus gyroscopes with quality force feedback?
Panajev2001a
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TTP said:Completely different technology was my point.
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The 1.52 upgrade is mandatory in every game coming to Europe. VT included.
But the *cough*PSP skip-firmware-check-and-load-UMD-anyway thin *cough* should help with most of those... right ?
Panajev2001a
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TTP said:I dunno. Cannot try that. 2.0 here
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.Another thing - text input with eyetoy could be very useful. A virtual keyboard. I was able to select buttons with some wagging on PS2, it'd be cool if you could "type" on a keyboard on screen. Maybe that'd require more resolution, or maybe just more processing power (?). It's interesting that Marks used the neon coloured wedge to use it as a virtual mouse in this demo, I wonder how necessary that is. It'd be so cheap to include though. Could make web browsing and such a lot easier on PS3 - heck, that's part of what's needed to move computing more thoroughly to the couch.
Well, anyway, I'd definitely love to see it as an option for text input and the UI on PS3.
Well, anyway, I'd definitely love to see it as an option for text input and the UI on PS3.
Shao said:
I don't know, i think it might depend. If the motion was perfect it could work well. It may also depend on other things like your proximity to the screen, screen size.
It'd be interesting to see video of that demo to try and gauge it. But from experimenting with the monitor in front of me, leaning in as if to peer around something could work well (try it! :lol ). Your eyes are still on the screen, where you want to look in fact, you could still move them around independently of your head etc. Obviously turning your head significantly left or right wouldn't work, but I don't think that's the kind of motion they're talking about. It'd be interesting to try, that's for sure.
Good news to see they might be bringing in View Tracking. I've been arguing that they should try it for a while now, and it's nice that the PS3 can handle it so easily (although, at 20% CPU usage, I'm surprised it was never demoed on the PS2). I'd like to see how accurately it could track movements, though, will it be jittery, will it take into account distance from screen? I'd also be interested to see this combined (if only in a tech demo) with some retro red'n'blue 3D goggles, to give the effect that the TV screen is a window into a gaming world, as it were. Could be very interesting to try out.
Marks keeps doing these demos at conference after conference and seems to be adding new ones as he goes along. I have to think that Sony has something significant planned for the PS3 to be putting this much ongoing effort into educating the industry about the potential of motion tracking/video processing input mechanisms. I'd imagine its absolutely necessary too given that designing for these type of input mechanisms has got to be a lot more effort than a simple gamepad interface.
The Take Out Bandit
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We need more Eyetoy games of this sort, and less of the bullshit - "ZOMG! Look I'm a moron on TV!"
If they make an Antigrav 2 for the PS3, with even better player detection and motion tracking; that would sell me on a PS3 day one.
Jive Turkey
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Agreed. EyeToy is a cheesy little gimmick however if they make more games that use EyeToy like Antigrav then you'd have a real winner on your hands...No pun intended...The Take Out Bandit said:
We need more Eyetoy games of this sort, and less of the bullshit - "ZOMG! Look I'm a moron on TV!"
If they make an Antigrav 2 for the PS3, with even better player detection and motion tracking; that would sell me on a PS3 day one.
MadOdorMachine
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I suspect they'll release a visor for VR as well. They all but announced it at E3 when they said PS3 had dual monitor support and the new eye toy would be able to track depth.
psycho_snake
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Dammit, I thought Sony decided to have a built in toaster.
Wax Free Vanilla
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koam said:
This?
:lol
The Take Out Bandit
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Borys said:
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Have you been eating those packzi again?
PkunkFury
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I saw this session at Siggraph. The best part was when he used the infra-red eye toy to control an avatar manipulating a punching bag on screen. Not sure that was mentioned in the article, but it was really cool. At one point, the punching bag swung in back of him and he ducked, causing it to get stuck behind the avatar. He used the styrofoam markers in the other demo to navigate a personnal photo gallery on the PS2, selecting and rotating the pictures with his hands.
The session itself was terrible aside from the eye toy. It was supposed to be on novel interactivity devices for video games, but the first two presenters from EA missed the ball entirely. They just drove around in Need for Speed for XBOX 360, using the controller no less, and bragged about how awesome the graphics were. I don't know if they even undestood the point of the session. Other presenters included a guy from logitech who used the force feedback wheel, and a guy from Konami who showed off the new Kareoke revolution, which you can play using the microphone, dance pad, and eyetoy all at once. The Konami guy was pretty cool, but I was hoping to see more under development tech like the new eyetoy stuff.
The session itself was terrible aside from the eye toy. It was supposed to be on novel interactivity devices for video games, but the first two presenters from EA missed the ball entirely. They just drove around in Need for Speed for XBOX 360, using the controller no less, and bragged about how awesome the graphics were. I don't know if they even undestood the point of the session. Other presenters included a guy from logitech who used the force feedback wheel, and a guy from Konami who showed off the new Kareoke revolution, which you can play using the microphone, dance pad, and eyetoy all at once. The Konami guy was pretty cool, but I was hoping to see more under development tech like the new eyetoy stuff.