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[cireza]

You don't have to try to defend Sony's marketing. Everybody knows it's BS.

They were launching a console so consistency in communication was not really a priority. They told us the Power of the SSD was going to change everything, had Insomniac even say some BS about it (then Ratchet came to PC and everything was proved wrong), they made an argument about believing in generations and cross-gen games being risky (then announced a ton of cross-gen games), they announced FF XVI as a PS5 exclusive (then the game was revealed as being only temporary exclusive) etc...

It's always the same shit with them when they launch a new console.

 

[nial]

You don't have to try to defend Sony's marketing. Everybody knows it's BS.

They were launching a console so consistency in communication was not really a priority. They told us the Power of the SSD was going to change everything, had Insomniac even say some BS about it (then Ratchet came to PC and everything was proved wrong), they made an argument about believing in generations and cross-gen games being risky (then announced a ton of cross-gen games), they announced FF XVI as a PS5 exclusive (then the game was revealed as being only temporary exclusive) etc...

It's always the same shit with them when they launch a new console.

I literally did the opposite, but okay.

If there is one thing that I can understand, it's maybe the fact that they were not properly communicating on the fact that Miles Morales, Sackboy, Horizon Forbidden West, Gran Turismo 7 and GOWR would also come to PS4. The latter two weren't even announced to be coming to the platform until June 2021.

 

[daclynk]

One the main reasons that the PS5-cross gen support is laughed at from Sony is because they mouthed off to win PR points against Xbox, who was quite open about its cross-gen plans. Then it turns out many of the core titles Sony showed off were cross-gen - they were simply not talking about the PS4-gen versions. And in the case of something like GOW: Ragnarok, the difference between the PS4 and PS5 versions were minor, at best. This stuck out.

Looking ahead to the PS6 generation, odds are most of the generation will be cross gen, because the jump from the PS5 to the PS6 is going to be small enough that the difference can be covered by typical software scaling. Drop the resolution, lower shadow quality, little more pop-in, and you're done. With Sony no longer being a hardware focused company, their goals will be similar to Microsoft's: sell as many games to as many people on as many platforms as possible. Throwing away the huge PS5 install base is directly against their stated goals. With that said, I do still expect one or two next-gen exclusives from Sony used as show piece titles to advertise the PS6. However, they're still showing of TLOUP2 as a PS5 showcase title... even though it's a PS4 title, and the PS5 """"remaster"""" is just tweaking a config file. So, who knows - maybe it's all cross-gen with more paid patches. Who knows?

WE BELIEVE IN GENERATIONS' they said

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Because the PS5 has declined at the same time as the PS4 before it was replaced.
Also, people say this all the time, I found 2011 threads the other day talking about how new consoles weren't needed.

Decline? How does that transfer to the consumer? We're supposed to just blindly fork over another $500-$600 for minimal graphical upgrades that look samey, and games that would be perfectly fine on older systems? Or is it just for the company?

Either way, none of those reasons compel me to pay up, and they aren't good reasons for the consumer.

 

[Ozriel]

It has been discussed and disproved many times. Sony's comments was about what they were building in the HW and the platform to power new games and what a new generation meant for them. They did not say they were not going to make cross-generation titles. This was a contrast to the idea of by default to make every single title cross-gen, to make consoles iterative yearly or something sliding windows HW platforms like phones, and avoid or delay introducing in the platform big step changes that deserve a generation reset / revolution and evolution being balanced.

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Platform  Post in thread 'Satya Nadella talks about the future of Xbox and multiplatform: "We are very happy with what's going on in gaming"'

Jan 18, 2024

Jim Ryan once said they believe in generations, yet we know how that turned out.

Yes, a bunch of fools and/or bad faith actors kept misinterpreting the quote intentionally to troll or to try to make their faction feel better, the ones that actually read it understood what it meant and saw Sony actually delivering it and they are keeping their expectations in check for PS5 Pro.

Sony never said shit about Microsoft and never said "no cross gen games."

Find the lie. (Spoiler- there is none.)

"We have always said that we believe in generations. We believe that when you go to...

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Evolution of the Xbox controller vs SixAxis vs Dual Shock 3 vs Dual Sense is a good example of each console manufacturer approach for example.

'Fanboys argued in support of…" is not the same as 'disproved'.

if you keep quiet and enjoy the benefits, doing nothing to change the very public perception, you cannot in any way turn around to claim a misquote or misunderstanding.

Especially when they took deliberate steps to conceal the cross gen nature of GT7, Ragnarok and HFW for quite a while.

Horizon forbidden west announced in June 2020.
PS4 version revealed September 2020, after months of letting the internet believe it was next gen exclusive.

 

[CentralScrutinizer]

Who is even still talking about this? What's next, a revisiting of "people over exaggerated how kiddy Nintendo was on GameCube" threads?

 

[nial]

Decline? How does that transfer to the consumer? We're supposed to just blindly fork over another $500-$600 for minimal graphical upgrades that look samey, and games that would be perfectly fine on older systems? Or is it just for the company?

Either way, none of those reasons compel me to pay up, and they aren't good reasons for the consumer.

Who's talking about anyone's personal feelings over it? This is like having to explain why Apple releases a new iPhone model every year.

Who is even still talking about this? What's next, a revisiting of "people over exaggerated how kiddy Nintendo was on GameCube" threads?

A lot of people, and that's an awful comparison.

 

[Jigsaah]

One the main reasons that the PS5-cross gen support is laughed at from Sony is because they mouthed off to win PR points against Xbox, who was quite open about its cross-gen plans. Then it turns out many of the core titles Sony showed off were cross-gen - they were simply not talking about the PS4-gen versions. And in the case of something like GOW: Ragnarok, the difference between the PS4 and PS5 versions were minor, at best. This stuck out.

Looking ahead to the PS6 generation, odds are most of the generation will be cross gen, because the jump from the PS5 to the PS6 is going to be small enough that the difference can be covered by typical software scaling. Drop the resolution, lower shadow quality, little more pop-in, and you're done. With Sony no longer being a hardware focused company, their goals will be similar to Microsoft's: sell as many games to as many people on as many platforms as possible. Throwing away the huge PS5 install base is directly against their stated goals. With that said, I do still expect one or two next-gen exclusives from Sony used as show piece titles to advertise the PS6. However, they're still showing of TLOUP2 as a PS5 showcase title... even though it's a PS4 title, and the PS5 """"remaster"""" is just tweaking a config file. So, who knows - maybe it's all cross-gen with more paid patches. Who knows?

Said it better than I could.

 

[Horseganador]

And what's wrong with cross-gen games for a few years? Users who buy a PS6 will play much better than on PS5, but PS5 users will also be able to enjoy the games. Sony doesn't care where you buy the game as long as you buy it; in the end, everyone will switch to the new system, just like they did this generation.
And regarding this generation, once you try a PS5 (dualsense, SSD, 60fps, better graphics, etc...) you'll never touch a PS4 again.

 

[semiconscious]

Cross-generation games are still games originally developed there. This is not Sony finding out a trick to justify their new console or something, Gran Turismo 7 was not a thing before the PS5 launched.

i'm not disputing that. i'm simply pointing out the obvious: that you needn't own the new console to play them, which somewhat compromises their new console promotion value?...

 

[Madjaba]

They're not believing in generations anymore, heck they don't believe in console exclusivity anymore what did you expect ?

 

[nial]

And what's wrong with cross-gen games for a few years? Users who buy a PS6 will play much better than on PS5, but PS5 users will also be able to enjoy the games. Sony doesn't care where you buy the game as long as you buy it; in the end, everyone will switch to the new system, just like they did this generation.
And regarding this generation, once you try a PS5 (dualsense, SSD, 60fps, better graphics, etc...) you'll never touch a PS4 again.

They're not believing in generations anymore, heck they don't believe in console exclusivity anymore what did you expect ?

Huh, I have a very different position on the actual thread.