What's the right message to get from these episodes, btw
South Park' Season 21 Takes on White Nationalist Movement
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Spieler Eins
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The only good overarching story was... in season 6. They blew all the modern ones. I was sure there'd be more memberries, considering that there was literally no payoff for that entire story.
What were they sanitizing with the whole Ms. Garrison story? Because I just always found it gross
I have no idea what Steve Bannons ideology is and I dont particularly care, I see this as a tv show with two fairly open minded and liberal show runners who like to take the piss out of everyone, you seem to want them to evangelise, you can want that but im not sure there is any evidence that they want to do it, or will, I feel im capable of watching it and separating what the episode is from the real world and laughing, then forgetting about it, if you cant then perhaps its not the best idea for you to watch it, there are plenty of shows you can watch that will cater to whatever you want.
Hahaha. I like you're trolling man.
I don't think it makes fun of them as much as Judge's next show, The Goode Family, makes fun of liberals.
Phawx
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Uh.
You just need to look at the image and quite clearly see they are mocking people holding tiki torches.
Edit: some of the replies in this thread. If you think South Park is anti-liberal exclusively, your judgement is ill-placed.
perfectchaos007
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The last episode of season 20 was titled "End of Serialization" so of course they are going one-off this season. And I'm glad. Season 20 was by far the worst season of south park. I've given it a year and even 1 year later it fails the test of time. Season 19 with so-da-so-pa wasn't that much better. SP is best served as a one-off episode deal.
Matt and Trey above all else are Anti-Establishment, Anti-Authority and Anti-capitalist/corporatism, but especially the former two to a fault. They do both sides a whole lot of stuff, but they also make pretty hard-line stances against a lot too, especially anyone trying to tell or force others to be or act a certain way. Unfortunately that is something they do to a fault at times too.
Their biggest issue in my mind is that they've failed to separate the moralist liberals of their formative years with liberals of today and the issues today that are at the forefront. Sure there's no shortage of terrible people tumblr and some other social media but in terms of actual politicians and major social movements it's not like it was in the late 80s and early 90s with people like Tipper Gore, Joel Lieberman and even Bill and Hillary Clinton trying to censor media to "protect" children. We still have tons of shitty politicians on both sides, but it's simply not the same as it was years ago. They're shitty for a lot of the same reasons, but the issues and policies have shifted so much.
The polarization of the Left and Right, Democrats and Republicans, is something so extreme that you really cannot both sides many of the important issues going on like you could back in the day when there was a great deal more overlap in many areas.
I think they tried to be more pointed with last season why retaining their signature humor, but it just didn't translate as effectively as they may have thought it would. There has been some hints they've learned from it and I hope they have. But we'll know for sure Wednesday.
Their biggest issue in my mind is that they've failed to separate the moralist liberals of their formative years with liberals of today and the issues today that are at the forefront. Sure there's no shortage of terrible people tumblr and some other social media but in terms of actual politicians and major social movements it's not like it was in the late 80s and early 90s with people like Tipper Gore, Joel Lieberman and even Bill and Hillary Clinton trying to censor media to "protect" children. We still have tons of shitty politicians on both sides, but it's simply not the same as it was years ago. They're shitty for a lot of the same reasons, but the issues and policies have shifted so much.
The polarization of the Left and Right, Democrats and Republicans, is something so extreme that you really cannot both sides many of the important issues going on like you could back in the day when there was a great deal more overlap in many areas.
I think they tried to be more pointed with last season why retaining their signature humor, but it just didn't translate as effectively as they may have thought it would. There has been some hints they've learned from it and I hope they have. But we'll know for sure Wednesday.
They're American libertarians, they're not remotely anti-capitalist.......
hydrophilic attack
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Listen to the policeman epilogue 15 minutes in (I edited it in after you started typing your reply) where they say that OJS was clearly framed and compares their failure to frame him to the failure of framing MJ. Everyone on the planet likely agree that OJS probably was guilty (though I and others agree it was right to acquit considering the circumstances) so this makes it pretty clear that the entire episode is a strawman argument about people saying the police has a racial bias
perfectchaos007
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They should bring back PewDiePie and let him lead the white nationalist army this time
It's been awhile since I've watched South Park and this episode, but I'm pretty sure the episode was literally the complete opposite of this.
ManBearPig is stupid though, yes.
Demon Lizardman
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They should bring back PewDiePie and let him lead the white nationalist army this time
I'm still angry they brought him on the show.
Lord of Castamere
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I mean, you'd be wrong, unless you're specifically talking about Halo. We just had a big thread a few weeks ago about the female community of Overwatch being harassed online. I see slurs thrown out all the time in Overwatch.
Online anonymity hit it's peak with Doxxing and Swatting, it's toned back a tad in the last few years(once those starting seeing legal repercussion), not that any of that has disappeared entirely, but it's only(at best) back to the base verbal abuse, which is never going away.
Yes, Global Warming is real, and the Day After Tomorrow was alarmist trash.
UltimaPooh
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I think you make a great point here... but I just wanted to outline something that is being misrepresented.
The left and liberals did not become more polarized they have largely remained where they always were while the right has become more polarized and further right.
Spieler Eins
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They should bring back PewDiePie and let him lead the white nationalist army this time
This was the only offensive thing they ever did for me. I hope they didn't put his face in the new game. Please.
WordAssassin
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I think a big reason they're not doing a season-long arc this time is because they clearly had one planned out for last year and got royally fucked at the last minute when America voted Trump instead of Hillary. They had to make 11th-hour changes to the episode that aired after the election to fix it and it was really obvious that they had to change entire plot lines and cut all kinds of shit to make the actual events fit in the context of their storyline. I could see them going back to a much more loose kind of over-arcing plot but after last year it doesn't surprise me at all that they want to change.
Politics changes, society changes, people change. It's a 20-year old series and they've evolved on a number of things.
At the time, PDP was used as an example of "this things kids like that we totally don't f'ing understand". This was prior to the stuff w/ him/JonTron/etc blowing up as these people revealed who they were. Hopefully now they just go in on him this season.
One issue w/ people reading last season- they may go after both sides, but you have to look at how they're doing it. The jokes at Clinton's expense were about how she's a lousy campaigner. The jokes about Trump were about how he was literally the worst person in the world. They were never equivocating them, but they didn't refrain from making fun of everything, and for some people that's a problem because they'll never get it.
At the time, PDP was used as an example of "this things kids like that we totally don't f'ing understand". This was prior to the stuff w/ him/JonTron/etc blowing up as these people revealed who they were. Hopefully now they just go in on him this season.
One issue w/ people reading last season- they may go after both sides, but you have to look at how they're doing it. The jokes at Clinton's expense were about how she's a lousy campaigner. The jokes about Trump were about how he was literally the worst person in the world. They were never equivocating them, but they didn't refrain from making fun of everything, and for some people that's a problem because they'll never get it.
it would be great just to see the chuds in r/southpark lose their minds
They should bring back PewDiePie and let him lead the white nationalist army this time
That would be amazing. When Issac Hayes quit South Park over their satirization of Scientology, they turned Chef into a brain-washed child-molesting robot. They could bury pew-die-pie so easily if they wanted.
DrForester
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Wow. I didn't think they would do another Pewdiepie episode.
UltimaPooh
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I really hope they break their promise and Garrison Trump is in this episode.
What? I'm just referring to Halo dude.
Culturally they hold a great deal of disdain for major corporations and the culture surrounding big money and big businesses. Yes, they are not opposed to a free market capitalist system, they just hate people in power and how they act because they are authority figures. I was just trying to convey that aspect outside of the Anti-authority aspect.
You're right, I meant that more in regards to the Left/Dems losing the image of those Moralist Christian kind of Blue Dog Democrats of the past. You just don't have that many of those these days, especially on the national level.
Do you hold Mr. Garrison in high regard? He is like Cartman, a despicable person who does things for terrible reasons.
There's a reason the police in that episode mention "framing rich, black people" as opposed to just black people.
This didn't happen. Obama didn't spin the wheel in question, he wasn't even in that scene or in the episode before that scene(granted he is mentioned at the end, but has nothing to do with the economic games going on in the economy).
This is the only one I'll give you in terms of sending the wrong message, but it was less a "stance" on global warming as it was just wanting to make fun of Al Gore.
What are you even talking about?! That episode was vehemently pro-gays in boy scouts.
Honestly it sounds like you pulled up some badly written episode synopsis's to make your arguments rather than actually paying attention to the show.
UberTag
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If there's one thing I appreciate from modern Simpsons, it's that they relegate their terrible, dated jabs at politics predominantly to their YouTube channel instead of permeating that commentary into the show (which would largely be to its detriment).
Unfortunately, there's still no shortage of pop culture parodies and homages. The Season 29 premiere is going to be a full-fledged Game of Thrones send-up (complete with Nikolaj Coster-Waldau cameo). Their track record with these is pretty hit-or-miss.
hydrophilic attack
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please go back and watch it
i did today for this thread
those two monologues i mentioned makes it very clear
DrForester
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If I recall correctly they recently said Garrison Trump would be in the show here and there(because you can't ignore it), but aren't going to focus on him anymore.
I'll watch those episodes again when I get some time, of those the only I never really "got" was the Mr/Mrs. Garrison arc.
the Mr. Jefferson/Michael Jackson was condemning the police force for going after rich black men with money just because they were black and had money.
I don't recall the episode with Obama spinning the wheel, the only thing I remember vaguely like that was the episode where the economy crashes and everyone is scared of the "economy." I always thought they were saying that we were in a bad spot because of the crash but that doesn't mean we need to fear spending our money on things we like, but we should still not be so careless because of the fickleness of it.
I agree with the other poster about Global Warming, I think they kind of screw that one up. Something to think about though is the fact that it came out after "the Day After Tomorrow" and was very clearly a parody of it. I don't think there was some over-arcing message in that episode.
The boy scout episode being brought is ridiculous, especially considering their original scout master, Big Gay Al, was an openly gay scout master and he never did anything to kids. When his replacement comes he's a "mans man" and ends up he's the one who is making them pose nude and trying to molest them. Big Gay Al refuses to rejoin the scouts and is called a homophobe. Again, satire.
I don't think everything has to have a message or be over analyzed. I really think at the end of the day Matt and Trey are going to make episodes and themes that they find funny, then when they need to take a side with something they do. I think looking for a hard stance in every episode is why people think they are alt-right in the first place.
/shrug.
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ZedLeppelin006
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Because it didn't fucking happen, that was never an episode.
He's talking about the episode "Margaritaville," but he remembers it wrong.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
They probably won't. That episode seems like a oh fuck Sunday when they had no show ideas.
Yeah that was the episode. The only one with a wheel I can think of honestly.
Exactly, that's the episode I was talking about where the economy collapsed. Glad to know I wasn't going crazy.
WordAssassin
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Uh granted it's been a while but I'm pretty sure that is NOT what happened. IIRC they used old sound clips of Isaac Hayes as Chef's voice, had him locked in a prison against his will, and then he was sadly killed while trying to escape. Then the Super Fun Adventure Club rebuilt him as Darth Chef but as far as I'm aware they've never used him again after that. I don't remember them EVER showing Chef to be some kind of child molester, they loved Hayes and he was their friend and they were really sad to see him leave the show and pass away. Stan/Kyle's monologue at the end of that episode was basically them talking directly to the viewer about how sad they were.
UltimaPooh
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NealMcCauley
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They should bring back PewDiePie and let him lead the white nationalist army this time
I always thought that Lennart Bedrager guy from last season was a subtle dig at PDP.
hydrophilic attack
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Can you remind me what episode this was in? It's years since I watched it. I want to go back to see it again to see if my memory is off.
At the end Big Gay Al says that he doesn't want to force himself into the organization that doesn't want him and urges everyone's that they shouldn't stop supporting the scouts because of how they treated him. In the I learned something today" speech at the end it's very clear that the show runners (in a clearly libertarian way) value the rights of the boy scouts not to employ a gay scout leader over Al's right not to be discriminated against.
My post was based on my impressions when binging the show a few years back (until its politics made me stop in disgust)
Yeah that was the episode except Obama doesn't spin shit lol, he doesn't even appear in the episode as his South Park caricature.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-PtEJEaqY
This is the wheel scene you were talking about.
He was rarely used that season. He was showed the season before because of the election when it is him vs Mccain. They have the bank heist.
TheGameshark
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lol why is that person dressed in spartan armor
Sure thing, it's Margaritaville.
At the very end the newscaster gives Obama credit for fixing the economy when we're supposed to assume it was Kyle who saved everyone, but that's the only time Obama is mentioned in the episode.
They never really went in on Obama except for saying he's basically just another politician and people are expecting too much from him, which isn't anti-Obama by any means. They were much harsher on other presidents and politicians imo.
Spieler Eins
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Even without the controversial content, Let's Plays are blatantly stupid junk and enduring PDPs face for even that one minute was near unbearable. Saying "we're just too old" was weak, considering how much other crappy entertainment media they bash.